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Oh, i see, so no, you are not a millionaire. Strange, being so easy nowadays with millions of start ups.
And by the way, if you think an article with no actual numbers from one organisation is enough to prove a point, maybe that is enough for you, but without even being able to see where the numbers come from is a joke.
Considering the fact that seems to only take into consideration the US, probably the most lobby driven economy in the world, it is even funnier.
And by the way, if you think an article with no actual numbers from one organisation is enough to prove a point, maybe that is enough for you, but without even being able to see where the numbers come from is a joke.
Considering the fact that seems to only take into consideration the US, probably the most lobby driven economy in the world, it is even funnier.
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have you ever thought that maybe I don’t have an idea I want to sell to the world? Most people are just happy enough to do their job and go home
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/26...est-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html
It’s not hard to find multiple studies with research attached to it
You’re literally doing what I described earlier. You arrived at your conclusion before actually taking the time to study it. Your working backwards and when information comes that disagrees with your worldview you dismiss it lol
have you ever thought that maybe I don’t have an idea I want to sell to the world? Most people are just happy enough to do their job and go home
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/26...est-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html
It’s not hard to find multiple studies with research attached to it
You’re literally doing what I described earlier. You arrived at your conclusion before actually taking the time to study it. Your working backwards and when information comes that disagrees with your worldview you dismiss it lol
I'm sorry, but you live in wonderland.
The western world is systematically racist. That's a bias we can't escape unfortunately.
Where do I claim that? When I say "racialized people" I include all people that are racialized by other people in the western world, in short, all those who aren't white.
Again, you need to understand that "racialized" is a passive word that mean that somebody is seeing or describing you in a racialized way (as a black man or as a latino or as an asian etc.. )
Systemic racism is not just individual, its a system that we are all part of. Just like patriarchy.
This is why you must end the liberal view that we can end racism or sexism just by becoming less sexist or less racist ourself. No, we end sexism or racism by ending the system.
And mind you, the "system" is not something that is above or "out" of us. The system is US. I don't remember his name but there is a sociologist that made a great allegory of those system.
Instead of seeing systemic racism or patriarchy as something that is beyond our control, patriarchy and systemic racism should be seen as movement of a circular dance where people are adding one after the others. The movement is the system but WE are what make the system advance. This is why individualy stopping will not stop the dance. We must take down the entire system at once.
What study ? We are not talking about study is. The question is how do you make the world a equal wealthy place in a world where people don't get access to the same education to begin with ?? If education is the first predicator then people should get access to the same education.. Still we can see that first not all public school hold the same standards and there are privates school. That without mentionning all the people who suffer from a lack of education to begin with..
See.. we can't.
To make the world a better place, we must first redistribute the ressource and create equility. In short give more to the poor and less to the rich.
That's a myth bro.
Your survey are bullshit in term of scientificity.
i only made one comment about startup is that for one jackpot, you need to create thousands. Yes its a bit of an exageration but the reality is here. Becoming rich is just about luck and capital.
You talked about startup, not me. We were talking about the myth of self made man.
Like you said. Stay on topic.
The western world is systematically racist. That's a bias we can't escape unfortunately.
Where do I claim that? When I say "racialized people" I include all people that are racialized by other people in the western world, in short, all those who aren't white.
Again, you need to understand that "racialized" is a passive word that mean that somebody is seeing or describing you in a racialized way (as a black man or as a latino or as an asian etc.. )
Systemic racism is not just individual, its a system that we are all part of. Just like patriarchy.
This is why you must end the liberal view that we can end racism or sexism just by becoming less sexist or less racist ourself. No, we end sexism or racism by ending the system.
And mind you, the "system" is not something that is above or "out" of us. The system is US. I don't remember his name but there is a sociologist that made a great allegory of those system.
Instead of seeing systemic racism or patriarchy as something that is beyond our control, patriarchy and systemic racism should be seen as movement of a circular dance where people are adding one after the others. The movement is the system but WE are what make the system advance. This is why individualy stopping will not stop the dance. We must take down the entire system at once.
What study ? We are not talking about study is. The question is how do you make the world a equal wealthy place in a world where people don't get access to the same education to begin with ?? If education is the first predicator then people should get access to the same education.. Still we can see that first not all public school hold the same standards and there are privates school. That without mentionning all the people who suffer from a lack of education to begin with..
See.. we can't.
To make the world a better place, we must first redistribute the ressource and create equility. In short give more to the poor and less to the rich.
That's a myth bro.
Your survey are bullshit in term of scientificity.
i only made one comment about startup is that for one jackpot, you need to create thousands. Yes its a bit of an exageration but the reality is here. Becoming rich is just about luck and capital.
You talked about startup, not me. We were talking about the myth of self made man.
Like you said. Stay on topic.
"Multiple studies", right?
The article you posted refer to the same identical study the other articles you posted were talking about, so I guess reading something before you post it is not your forte.
You are the one claiming that becoming a self made millionaire is easy, which is funny when to say when you are not one.
The article you posted refer to the same identical study the other articles you posted were talking about, so I guess reading something before you post it is not your forte.
You are the one claiming that becoming a self made millionaire is easy, which is funny when to say when you are not one.
studies that show the biggest predictor for wealth is education
https://www.piie.com/sites/default/files/documents/wp16-1.pdf
isn’t it crazy how easy it is to find shit in google? My unscientific studies are taken seriously by Econ dept
You literally replied to my start up comment
Did you read the first article? It mention 2 more studies. You’re talking about me not reading but clearly you skimmed over it because you didn’t care 💀
When did I say that?
this is what you said
I pointed out that finding investors isn’t hard , and there’s over a million startups every year
have an actual coherent argument on my rebuttal. Saying “oh if it isn’t hard why haven’t you done 🤓” is stupid because what the fuck makes you think I even want to have a start up?
https://www.piie.com/sites/default/files/documents/wp16-1.pdf
isn’t it crazy how easy it is to find shit in google? My unscientific studies are taken seriously by Econ dept
You literally replied to my start up comment
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Did you read the first article? It mention 2 more studies. You’re talking about me not reading but clearly you skimmed over it because you didn’t care 💀
When did I say that?
this is what you said
I pointed out that finding investors isn’t hard , and there’s over a million startups every year
have an actual coherent argument on my rebuttal. Saying “oh if it isn’t hard why haven’t you done 🤓” is stupid because what the fuck makes you think I even want to have a start up?
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Look mate, we just disagree.
You might think i am a loser as you or somebody else said, and i think whoever believes this snake oil is brain damaged, specially if you are from the US, where most people lack even access to basic stuff like vegetables or proper helthcare in parts of rhe country.
Let's just agree to disagree
You might think i am a loser as you or somebody else said, and i think whoever believes this snake oil is brain damaged, specially if you are from the US, where most people lack even access to basic stuff like vegetables or proper helthcare in parts of rhe country.
Let's just agree to disagree
I am not ignoring anything, i would happily read the study if you linked it to me, but again, i have actual other sources to state the same.
I don't care about persuading you, but i'd happily read one of these studies to see the details and what biases it may have.
Yhe only question i have, if it is mainly dependant on education, why are most startups in US in california in tech?
Could it be because there is a strong Lobby push or is just random?
I don't care about persuading you, but i'd happily read one of these studies to see the details and what biases it may have.
Yhe only question i have, if it is mainly dependant on education, why are most startups in US in california in tech?
Could it be because there is a strong Lobby push or is just random?
I'm talking about the hegemonic society. The society right now in power over the world. I would like it not to be this way, sadly it it.
Those statement are the current state of knowledge about the world. Racialization is a process of domination. its a process of power. And like I said, the society in power right now is the western world. So what applies to the western world applies to the entire world. Racialized people are therefore people who are being racialized on the entire planet.
Sorry, "you" wasn't meant to mean "you as BBear". I should have said "we" instead. Sorry.
Show me those studies please because "education" is a lot more broad that you might think. Does education in that context means the school you are going to, or does this means the education you got in your lifetime or more reality based, does this mean the capital of knowledge your are born into perhaps ? Education means a lot. Saying "with education comes wealth" its just meaningless.
Never said that they were studies contrary to you. bro.
That's a bit better. But again with a huge bias. No mention of the actual base capital in term of knowledge or ressources of those "self made" person. Plus, this is a conservative approach, so a lot of social parameters are not taken into account.
Now I would like to see that for the majority of rich people not just billionaire (just to check ;) )
Then again. Survivorship bias. This paper doesn't prove that the self made man myth is real, it only show that there is a part of those people who didn't get access to an inheritence. If the myth of the self made man were real.. you would have a much more relevant set of data instead of the two thousandish.
Again, not studies, one survey and a report. Nothing scientific.
Then don't get angry if we are saying things that are not pleasing you.
Those statement are the current state of knowledge about the world. Racialization is a process of domination. its a process of power. And like I said, the society in power right now is the western world. So what applies to the western world applies to the entire world. Racialized people are therefore people who are being racialized on the entire planet.
Sorry, "you" wasn't meant to mean "you as BBear". I should have said "we" instead. Sorry.
Show me those studies please because "education" is a lot more broad that you might think. Does education in that context means the school you are going to, or does this means the education you got in your lifetime or more reality based, does this mean the capital of knowledge your are born into perhaps ? Education means a lot. Saying "with education comes wealth" its just meaningless.
Never said that they were studies contrary to you. bro.
That's a bit better. But again with a huge bias. No mention of the actual base capital in term of knowledge or ressources of those "self made" person. Plus, this is a conservative approach, so a lot of social parameters are not taken into account.
Now I would like to see that for the majority of rich people not just billionaire (just to check ;) )
Then again. Survivorship bias. This paper doesn't prove that the self made man myth is real, it only show that there is a part of those people who didn't get access to an inheritence. If the myth of the self made man were real.. you would have a much more relevant set of data instead of the two thousandish.
Again, not studies, one survey and a report. Nothing scientific.
Then don't get angry if we are saying things that are not pleasing you.
That's where you are wrong.
FIrst its not about generalization. It's about understanding the systems of dominations at play in our modern world and the structure in power. All society with extra rare exception are ALL part of the same big system. Its not just a world with micro societies anymore, its a global world with a big system. This system applies to racism, capitalism and patriarchy with a few exceptions.
You can't just say "this society fonction independantly" anymore. It doesn't work like that. All societies, even the so called communist one are either capitalistic or in misery and under the domination of a dictatorship.. And all those societies are linked together and reply to the same bell : profit.
Probably yes. Simply because if you already have the ressources to place yourself without wealth problems to start a business into those society then you are already considered a rich man. You therefore begin with more capital than other people in term of ressources.
My point is that we won't succeed because we are white, we will succeed because we are not racialized. But mind you there might be some other factors at plays.
FIrst its not about generalization. It's about understanding the systems of dominations at play in our modern world and the structure in power. All society with extra rare exception are ALL part of the same big system. Its not just a world with micro societies anymore, its a global world with a big system. This system applies to racism, capitalism and patriarchy with a few exceptions.
You can't just say "this society fonction independantly" anymore. It doesn't work like that. All societies, even the so called communist one are either capitalistic or in misery and under the domination of a dictatorship.. And all those societies are linked together and reply to the same bell : profit.
Probably yes. Simply because if you already have the ressources to place yourself without wealth problems to start a business into those society then you are already considered a rich man. You therefore begin with more capital than other people in term of ressources.
My point is that we won't succeed because we are white, we will succeed because we are not racialized. But mind you there might be some other factors at plays.
