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[Peroroncino]

Gaimous hype isnt something like the " he is equal to moubu " statements it has already been proven to be true

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Man'U was absolutely dead serious, start to finish.

Except he, like Moubu, progressively performed better and better in his fight with Moubu. Which directly confirms he was not fighting seriously if he continued to perform even better as time goes on.

Near the beginning of the fight, Man’U gets knocked off of his horse by Moubu, marking the point where Moubu started getting more serious. Then Man’U proceeded to initially match this Moubu, and initially even wound him which shows that Man’U was initially not serious as you claim he was.

too much for Mou Bu to defeat without being on his A-game, which he most decidedly was not.

So Moubu needs to be at the top of his game to beat Man’U and Gaimou is somehow even stronger than that? Lol

 

[MarineHQ]

Regardless of Gaimou, let's get a few things straight about Man'U
-Was Man'U designed to be a hurdle to Moubu strength wise?
Definitely not, Man'U being weaker than Kanmei was stated in the manga

-What is the purpose of Man'U?
Character development for Moubu

-Who was the main character of ManU's flashback?
Yes, its Moubu lol
''He was betrayed by his burden''
This literally summarizes Moubu's character arc in Chu futurely, he gets betrayed by the one man who can tame him. Not only does he switch factions, but SHK also crushes Mouten in battle. This will be a devastating blow that Moubu will deal with through Man'U

Man'U is a big bloke with hefty weight, he is in the top 10 -I have him on 7 right now-, but he is not some unstoppable force in the verse, this is a personal battle for Moubu. Houken destroys Man'U and his sob story, naturally that goes for Ouki, Renpa and Kanmei too
Gaimou is yet to be properly gauged, but if we go by the narrative of Gaimou representing the final obstacle in Wei, at least martially, then there's a decent chance he turns out stronger.

And I believe everyone here but one poster is aware that both will roughly play in the same ballpark but the take that Gaimou somehow someway crushes Man'U is not based on reality lmao.

 

[Monet]

how will ousen deal with sbs now ?!
even if he pulled strong members from his core army like denermi did, still not gonna work , i think the best way is to retreat to a dependable location as he did with renba there ousen can have more opportunities and chances to survive.
.....


Also SBS is confirmed 3zhao great heaven now

..
so 2 gg from qin vs 2 from Zhao
the last time was in CA arc


Also it's time to see the officers ousen hiding in his center army

 

[SakazOuki]

And I believe everyone here but one poster is aware that both will roughly play in the same ballpark but the take that Gaimou somehow someway crushes Man'U is not based on reality lmao.

Tbf it’s not even close to the wildest takes on here

even if he pulled strong members from his core army like denermi did, still not gonna work , i think the best way is to retreat to a dependable location as he did with renba there ousen can have more opportunities and chances to survive.

Ousen has a hidden army 100%, whether they’re headed to Hango or simply hidden somewhere waiting to ambush this battlefield is yet to be known
Qin soldiers 250k registered in this war
200k from northern army
10k core HSU
10k Gyoku Hou
Then you have the Ousen and YTW armies

There’s an army at minimum as big as 50k hiding somewhere

 

[MarineHQ]

Tbf it’s not even close to the wildest takes on here

Kyoukai being the strongest fighter in the series surely must be at the top rn.

 

[SakazOuki]

Kyoukai being the strongest fighter in the series surely must be at the top rn.

Mounted or unmounted
Unmounted, I can see some truth in it, she is as broken as Houken lol
As for mounted, no chance

At least this is what I concluded from her thoughts here (she’s talking about Gyou’Un)

 

[RayanOO]

Mounted or unmounted
Unmounted, I can see some truth in it, she is as broken as Houken lol
As for mounted, no chance

At least this is what I concluded from her thoughts here (she’s talking about Gyou’Un)

Houken was more broken than her

and Kyoukai dance is nerfed now compared to shukai plains

 

[SakazOuki]

Houken was more broken than her

Agreed, but in terms of speed Kyoukai takes it
They’re in the same realm of bullshin powers lets say

Kyoukai dance is nerfed now compared to shukai plains

How come?

 

[MarineHQ]

Mounted or unmounted
Unmounted, I can see some truth in it, she is as broken as Houken lol
As for mounted, no chance

At least this is what I concluded from her thoughts here (she’s talking about Gyou’Un)

Kyoukai doesn't get the important 1v1 wins for me to say she's on that Top Tier ballpark. When she's on her best she can give anyone a run for their money and depending on the fighter even really injure them but it's baseless that so many people argue that because Kyoukai is so fast she just slays anyone and everyone.

Weight can overcome that. One swing landed of Moubu, Man'U or Kanmei and she's done.
Houken with brute strength alone has shown us how much she's inferior once he got a hold of her.

As for Ouhon, if he can survive Gyou’Un and his ten spears simultaneously I would bet money on him defending himself against her dance.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Unmounted, I can see some truth in it, she is as broken as Houken lol

She is more broken than Houken. One of the many reasons Kyoukai is Hara’s biggest disaster in terms of writing. How many times have we seen Kyoukai ballet dance around Houken’s Glaive? Dozens of times probably. Houken only ever overwhelmed Kyoukai through attrition and not through skill. He only ever overcame her when her stamina started to fade and she started to damage her own body. Kyoukai at her peak was straight up superior to Houken, there is no doubt about it.

And yes Kyoukai is so stupid that she is in fact the most broken character in Kingdom, don’t know how you can even argue otherwise. There isn’t a fighter in this manga who she can’t instantly behead without them even realizing what has happened aside from Houken or another Shiyuu. Put the likes of Ouki or Renpa against Kyoukai and she would kill them immediately. I don’t like it but that’s how it is. She is simply an atrocity, an FTE super powered maniac in a series full of barely superhuman warriors. She is an absolute abomination and the series is worse for her presence in it.

 

[RayanOO]

How come?

When she made her resurrection technique bullshit it was said it needed her a little bit

she can still do her dance but it’s shorter now iirc

 

[Monet]

Tbf it’s not even close to the wildest takes on here



Ousen has a hidden army 100%, whether they’re headed to Hango or simply hidden somewhere waiting to ambush this battlefield is yet to be known
Qin soldiers 250k registered in this war
200k from northern army
10k core HSU
10k Gyoku Hou
Then you have the Ousen and YTW armies

There’s an army at minimum as big as 50k hiding somewhere

i know this , but it's less likely cuz hara always make Qin has fewer numbers than zhao .
zhao now is 300 or 310 k
qin is 250k , so it has to be something else what ouse will do !

 

[FutureWarrior123]

She is more broken than Houken. One of the many reasons Kyoukai is Hara’s biggest disaster in terms of writing. How many times have we seen Kyoukai ballet dance around Houken’s Glaive? Dozens of times probably. Houken only ever overwhelmed Kyoukai through attrition and not through skill. He only ever overcame her when he stamina started to fade and she started to damage her own body. Kyoukai at her peak was straight up superior to Houken, there is no doubt about it.

Eh, rereading that fight the stamina issues weren’t really a factor for her losing. The moment she had her foot grabbed during the middle of their clash, it was her immediate loss.

She most certainly was speed blitzing him for the majority of it though. Maybe Houken has the durability to endure those strikes but it’s debatable with Ouki or Moubu. And those two are far less skilled than him.

I don’t know what Hara was thinking when creating Kyoukai. And now we have another fucking Shiyuu in our army lmao.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Eh, rereading that fight the stamina issues weren’t really a factor for her losing. The moment she had her foot grabbed during the middle of their clash, it was her immediate loss.

Reminder that Kyoukai had already been fighting for days at that point and had already exerted herself earlier that same day (I have to reread Shukai to remember the exact moment but I recall she had already exhausted herself).

Also Houken never grabbed her foot until she had already started bleeding from her legs because her bullshit jutsu was starting to take its toll on her.

So Kyoukai was already exhausted and her bullshit jutsu was already taking its toll on her before Houken was able to get a hand on her. Sure Houken’s leg was wounded as Kozen had stabbed him a few nights before, but Kyoukai was in far worse shape and was still blitzing Houken left and right.

It’s as I said, Kyoukai is simply an atrocity.

She most certainly was speed blitzing him for the majority of it though. Maybe Houken has the durability to endure those strikes but it’s debatable with Ouki or Mou

I imagine the reason she didn’t kill him was that he was skilled enough to keep himself out of range of her fatal strikes even as she dodged and blitzed him, but this is just my headcanon. The reality is no other non Shiyuu would pose even a moderate challenge to dismounted Kyoukai. Casual reminder that wounded Kyoukai slaughtered 500 of Kaishibou’s elites by herself…

Oh dear…here comes the PTSD…breathe Lee breathe…

I don’t know what Hara was thinking when creating Kyoukai. And now we have another fucking Shiyuu in our army lmao.

I’ve said it for years now, she is the one horrific blemish on an otherwise superb manga. Hara goofs with other characters and story elements every now and again but Kyoukai is just nonstop abysmal.

 

[Monet]

it's clear now why SBS didn't want to go to the capital !!
cuz KIng Tojou would have done something to him

even shiru is jealous from him

 

[FutureWarrior123]

I’ve said it for years now, she is the one horrific blemish on an otherwise superb manga. Hara goofs with other characters and story elements every now and again but Kyoukai is just nonstop abysmal.

The thing is that I don’t even dislike Kyoukai as a character at all, there was just no need to have her be this much of a broken fighter to this extent. It doesn’t make the series better for it.

Just have her be the epic slayer of fodder like her main role is usually (those moments are great for me), but isn’t stronger than Shin necessarily. Basically Futei on steroids lol.

 

[Rumble]

Kyou Kai is easily top 3.

I’m not hearing anything about wild takes from a dude that thinks OU HON can beat her.

There’s a reason why Ou Hon has called Shin and Ten out of their names but not her.

Kyou Kai destroys Ou Hon 10 times of 10.

This bitch was shaving body parts off HOU KEN while SEVERELY NERFED.

Kyou Rei would fuck Ou Hon up. Kyou Kai would delete him in seconds.

 

[Monet]

kk overrated bitch .
ohon mid diff here before even she start 💃.

 

[Cichy]

Kyoukai put better performance against Houken then the likes of Kyou and Duke Hyou - two characters that should have a decent weight. Ouhon is certrainly great in his own right, but lets not pretend his feats are on par with that.