Controversial General Political Discussion

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

on what???

literally

you say your different

but they agree on everything literally

-abortion
-lgbt
-gun rights
-freedom of speech

and so on

im not listing every left wing position, but you get the point

Logiko said:

liberal aint a ideology

progressive liberals are entirely different to libertarians/classisal liberals

progressive liberals are more like leftists in terms of the positions they hold

there is progressive liberal

and classical liberal

Two entirely serperate , liberal on it's own means jack shit

besides the title of liberal, there's nothing classical and progressive liberals have in common

Logiko said:

just cause you are a bible thumbing leftist

loyal to the cause even if you have to lie and defend things that are not true cause beelief

just cause you are more of a zealot then literaal regigioius zealots

does not mean everyone else has placed their bets in one team, ride or die like you have

just cause you worship a idealogy does not mean everything and everyone does

carrot, you are a crazy radical

you represent nobody other then your fellow twitter leftiets, normal people on the street arent as invested in this bs as you are

Logiko said:

I never stated to like them

I try to look at things point to point

Are they full of shit on everything no

are they full of shit on sometimes ofc like the trans issue

Trans women raping girls in the bathroom is just a dumb fear mongering argument as most are into guys cause the goal of being trans would be to act like a normal woman

Logiko · Dec 21, 2023

NAMELESS said:

Wuat

??

NAMELESS said:

Are you looking at argentina right now ?

NAMELESS said:

One government on the left (spain), the rest either on the far right or ultra liberal... You are completely blind mate.

NAMELESS said:

Ultra liberals again...

NAMELESS said:

Far right...

NAMELESS said:

If you look at the far right gov and say they are leftist woke sh*t, no wonder you think the right is not all over the world. Your political compass is completely broken.

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Bob74h said:

We disagree on

On feminism
On colonialism
On economy
On Politic in general
On racism
On freedom of speech
etc... etc..

The fact that we are both labeled as "progressive" don't mean that we agree. Progressism is just the right thing to do mate. If you are not progressive, you are just a douch.

Again, you don't understand the simplest things about politic.

Bob74h said:

Liberalism is an ideology mate. Its a vision of politics and economy.

NAMELESS · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

Wuat

??

Are you looking at argentina right now ?

One government on the left (spain), the rest either on the far right or ultra liberal... You are completely blind mate.

Ultra liberals again...

Far right...

If you look at the far right gov and say they are leftist woke sh*t, no wonder you think the right is not all over the world. Your political compass is completely broken.

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We disagree on

On feminism
On colonialism
On economy
On Politic in general
On racism
On freedom of speech
etc... etc..

The fact that we are both labeled as "progressive" don't mean that we agree. Progressism is just the right thing to do mate. If you are not progressive, you are just a douch.

Again, you don't understand the simplest things about politic.

Liberalism is an ideology mate. Its a vision of politics and economy.

That Milei dude is a farce.

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Logiko=grindset is basically call any commie that is publicaly an asshole a right winger.
His spectrum:Left wing,Center-left,Center,Extreme Right Wing.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

I actually never got the anti trans argument

I get if you deny them and be like yea im only ok calling biological females

but trying to prevent trans surgery for adults is nuts, If a grown adult wants to do something

the state should not be involved in preventing them from making that choice

You can argue it's a bad choice but it's still ultimately should up to the person

Problem with liberals is they kinda wanna foce acceptance in people, you cant make people like shit

It's the same shit with christans, if a guy dont like the idea of gods then he aint gonna buy into it

at the end of the day, I dont really care for beliefs

you cant prove a giant man exists in the sky just as you cant prove men are running the world on average

those ideals only exist in the mind of the supportsers not in realitty, im not gonna buy into something just cause it's the idealogy

you personally love

NAMELESS · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

I actually never got the anti trans argument

I get if you deny them and be like yea im only ok calling biological females

but trying to prevent trans surgery for adults is nuts, If a grown adult wants to do something

the state should not be involved in preventing them from making that choice

You can argue it's a bad choice but it's still ultimately should up to the person

Problem with liberals is they kinda wanna foce acceptance in people, you cant make people like shit

It's the same shit with christans, if a guy dont like the idea of gods then he aint gonna buy into it

at the end of the day, I dont really care for beliefs

you cant prove a giant man exists in the sky just as you cant prove men are running the world on average

those ideals only exist in the mind of the supportsers not in realitty, im not gonna buy into something just cause it's the idealogy

you personally love

why do you

write

like this?

Roo · Dec 21, 2023

ArturCantSpeakJapanese said:

???

Whether it applies to the president or not is that argument presented by the court, which rules against trump.

As far as I’m aware his insurrection case is still going on, and neither case depends on each other to finish its ruling. I am pretty sure that’s not how the law works.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

NAMELESS said:

he's as bad as those right wing dudes that see sjw/woke shit everywhere even when it's not there

just that he sees fascism and nazi everywhere

he's as ideological and belief based as the people, he denounces

NAMELESS · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

Narrow view of reality.The man is inexperienced despite his age.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

Roo said:

trump supporters raid the capital

antfa and blm riot and burn down cities

Logiko · Dec 21, 2023

NAMELESS said:

Such a farce that his gov is thinking about penalizing union protests....

NAMELESS said:

THere is no communist on earth. THere are some authoritarian but that's all. Authoritarism is not a leftist value.

Bob74h said:

No. I only see potential of fascism everywhere. And you should be concerned too with the rise of the far right everywhere in the world.

The case of the israelian gov should be a wake up call for you.

NAMELESS said:

That's cute.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

modern day crusader

zealots are everywhere

gotta kill zealots

Logiko · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

No, just warning. If in 15 or 20 year you will need to walk in boots, don't be surprised.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

it's war over there

both sides killed innocents

isarel bombed a shelter
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/gaza-airstrikes-warnings-invs/index.html

and Palestine killed and kidnapped babies
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/technology/hamas-hostages-social-media.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-i...im-that-bibas-children-mother-killed-in-gaza/

Logiko · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

See, that's the problem.. You are equating two type of violence like those are the result of the same problem. When in reality, one side is the oppressor for 70+ year and the other the oppressed.

Yes, the hamas did an horrible thing, they let their anger talk which blinded them but this is completely different from a country that uses racist and dehumanizing tool to create a genocide.

Let be reminded that there are 1000+ victime on one side and 18000+ on the other. So it would be wise from you not to equate those.

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

it's judgement day??

god, and here the christan crusader analogy was just a comparison

you really cementing it

NAMELESS · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

Bob74h · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

you are phrasing it like im saying isarel did good by bombing innocent civilians at a shelter

I am not a moral absolutist.

my honest take was nether side is perfectly free of wrongdoing

Logiko said:

my understanding is that both side want ownership of the gaze strip and they are as such fighting over it

Im not sure where the oppression narrative comes from

Heard some questionable statements of officials saying they will manipulate the media and genocide Palestinians but that seems more like a modern day thing

the Palestinians lived there for thousands of years right

both sides kill and murder

it's not as black and white as you want to claim

Logiko · Dec 21, 2023

Bob74h said:

THe problem is that by not taking side you ARE taking side. This is the principle of not taking a side in front of oppression.
Let's say that you see a woman being beaten up in front of you by a stranger. Choosing not to help her IS taking a side.

Bob74h said:

Well check again.

Bob74h said:

Maybe because the isralian gov has been colonizing and oppressing palestinian for more than 70 years ???

Bob74h said:

That's exacly what I'm saying to you, this is not black and white, and this is not "both side are murderers", this is, one side is an oppressor, the other the oppressed.

NAMELESS · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

THe problem is that by not taking side you ARE taking side. The is the principle of not taking a side in front of oppression.
Let's say that you see a woman being beaten up in front of you by a stranger. Choosing not to help her IS taking a side.

Well check again.

Maybe because the isralian gov has been colonizing and oppressing palestinian for more than 70 years ???

That's exacly what I'm saying to you, this is not black and white, and this is not "both side are murderers", this is, one side is an oppressor, the other the oppressed.

Z-Saber · Dec 21, 2023

Logiko said:

Not gonna lie to you chief, this is nonsense.