Funny, those migrant get priviledge that african migrant don't get.

what privilege??


are you speaking on


what advantage exist for immigrants from Ukraine as opposed to africa?


igrant don't "take the jobs of native population" (btw native population is the US are what we called them a few years ago "the amerindians") Migrant mostly take job that are unpopular and non occupied by citizens.


if position is given to a foreigner that is a job that could of been given to a black person who was born and raised in america


but despite saying to care about black people, it's all good having foreigners take their jobs



Again, no. THere are on the sides of LIBERALS.

people who themselves liberal have the set of positions as you



you just dislike the label cause it equates to status quo people like biden



you want the politics associated but not the venre of being the ruling party


it's all just optics to make you look better


you differ as much from these liberals as a chicken differs to a foul



which is to say it's the same shit just a different terminology


THe woke descision of budlight was to sponsor a trans woman. Here. DO you see this as a problem ?

no but that was never the point


the point was that the decisions the liberals are making are not drawing profits



it's getting them backlash, that is true wither you support them having dylan or not



and so it's not really logical to say their supporting leftist causes for money when it really aint making them money




Your comment about France just show how ignorant you are about International relations

two reasons


time preference cant spend all my time dedicated to every country


it's easier to focus on 1 to 2 countries


and besides it's just difficult to keep up with politics of a country who's language you dont speak
 
At fertilization
Yes when you listen to the biologist consensus but in when you read them, its a little more difficult than that in reality, the line between life and absence of life is not that clear.


Nop, not yet. You are confusing the beginning of life (which is again a consensus but debated) with the beginning of humanity AND the beginning of conscisouness (what makes us human in the first place)


Because people dont believe her because of how she acted in the trial. A complete psychopath and compulsive liar.
And how did she acted in the trial exactly ? What are your evidences mate ?


With her initial accusations, yes he did
He also lost two huge franchises in potc and harry potter shit because of that
This is not suffering, this is losing contracts. If I remember correctly Johnny Depp still has FAR ENOUGH to live a maximalist confortable life. So let's not compare plain harrasment and the global delegitimation of rape testimonies with a loss of contracts shall we.

Let's not be assholes.


Nah, we go by evidence and not kust believe all women by default.

Thats beyond retarded
No, that's just the right thing to do when society is forged in a way where women's testimonies and accusations are systematically delegitimized and non treated.

This is called equity. Maybe that's not a concept you understand.


Like what? And where?
what privilege??


are you speaking on


what advantage exist for immigrants from Ukraine as opposed to africa?
https://hir.harvard.edu/the-limitations-of-humanity-differential-refugee-treatment-in-the-eu/
Read and maybe accept the systemic racist reality


Transwomen are women, so Dylan Mulvaney is a women. What are you trying to tell us here ? :seriously:


hey lost money because of the boycott. What was the boycott about? You mentioned it yourself
Nop, they lost money because they alienated the ones they were trying to appeal to in the first place : progressist that stopped to support them after that.

if position is given to a foreigner that is a job that could of been given to a black person who was born and raised in america


but despite saying to care about black people, it's all good having foreigners take their jobs
Are you F*CKING trying to say that meaningless and poorly paid difficult jobs should be given to black people here ??????????????

people who themselves liberal have the set of positions as you
No they don't. You still ignorant about basic political position.

You are confusing liberalism with progressism again... and again.. and again... despite me giving you clear reasons why those are not the same things.


you just dislike the label cause it equates to status quo people like biden
Exactly, and I'm against the status co so I'm not like Biden. You should know by now that I'm seeking change and not status co like people like you or bidenor Macron

Nop only you is doing this. I'm talking about the origin of migrant, not their colors.

But if you want to talk about colors we can, with the example of the difference of treatment between white and racialised migrants.

and if it's you then are you saying skin color has no correlation to race
There is no such thing as race, there is only one human specie.

you want the politics associated but not the venre of being the ruling party


it's all just optics to make you look better
Nop, its because we disagree on pretty much everything. Like I said, I want this:


Dude, do you understand how massive the construction site would be ?

First, the entire rightist spectrum (beginning with liberals to straight up fascist will panic). Today, the overton windows has gone so far right that they see simple leftist like me like anarchist (not saying that being an anarchist is a bad things but that would not be my first goal) Plus, with the level of far right radicalism that is rising in society (bombing/attacks from the far right are in a all time high), what I would do first is put myself under tight security. Staying in the office as an leftist in a ultra liberal and patriarcal society where far right ideas are the norm is a life risking situation. I don't want to die, so there is that.

Second there is a massive work of planification. There is multiple things to attack from multiple front:
- Ultraliberalism
- Systemic racism
- Patriarchy
- Poor education system
- Desinformation.

So first, I would create or recreate a chart about the importance of science education but most of all, the importance of accepting in society social sciences as part of science (because even those in power don't believe it is a science)

Second, I would basically apply the core principles of what the LFI group in france wants to applies, a huge reform of the democracy (representation in the parliement, revocation of elected personal if the people deems it necessary etc.)

Third I would create a parliement but destined to science. It would be a chamber constituated by scientist and renawned scientific professionnal AND mix from ALL science discipline that would have for goal to read and officially approve law or ad addumdum on them before the law is voted.

This would create an visibility for science and the scientific knowledge on politic. This would also help people learn more about science and like I'm trying to do here, maybe deradicalize them on sensitive topic or at the contrary radicalize them for good reasons.

Then I would instantly create a universal wage for ALL by cutting military and security support, tax massively the super profits (/not allowing a certain degree of wealth beyond a certain outrageous point, and responsibilizing those people for them not to go away). This will lead to a nation where people are literally FREE from worries about ressources to simply live. TO that I would add MASSIVE bonuses to a series of necessary workfield.. (which would be also helped by a program of automatization of the "labor" workfields. This will highly benefit the economy as long as we do things correctly and smoothly.

Following that I would attack the problems one by one beginning with Ultra liberalism/ultranationalism/ultrasecuritarism (because when we are less poor and less stressed, we have less weight on our shoulder and we are therefore free to make other descisions).

THen it would be the case of patriarchy with a serie of counter mesure to the problems that are facing women but also for a better representation of men that are victims. I'mnot the best placed to talk about those mesureso I would absolutely refer to a council of some sort on the matter

THen you can attack different other aera (antiracism/anticolonialism etc..) or maybe do that at the same time. The goal is to target all the systemic issues, create counter offensive and make the life of everyone better..

ANd what will happen is that society will eventually (if the job is done well enough) deradicalize itself simply because there is no reason to be angry when you don't have ressource problems, where everyone - even prisonners - are treated like human beings and where everyone is not obligated to denounce everyone on twitter because the police doesn't help.. its might live us in Europe with white supremacist, but they will be oxtracized eventually.

I'm not saying it's easy and that it will take a year or two, it might take decades, but leftism will lead to a more peacefull society. After those problems are resolved, we can trydifferent type of society. We might wanna try even anarchism in time. But this is for centuries ahead.

Leftism is not a danger its the best solution we know yet. Other systems have failed.

But I don't want that kind of power, others are better suited. I'm only a messenger. I want you guys to understand those values.
And liberals don't want that. They want the opposite. (And I'm not even talking about bigot like conservative and the far right who just call us communist for wanting those things)

SO again, you don't understand the BASIC principle that the left are actually opposed to liberalism. Simply because your vision of politic is black and white and because you here the words "liberals" talking about progressism values a bit too much in far right circles.


the point was that the decisions the liberals are making are not drawing profits
In this case it was as the target audience is too make more profit by appealing to progressist buyers.


two reasons


time preference cant spend all my time dedicated to every country


it's easier to focus on 1 to 2 countries


and besides it's just difficult to keep up with politics of a country who's language you dont speak
There is a difference between not caring and not checking all the news about a country. France is one of the biggest economic power in the world so our country matters on the international scale and our racist laws and politics can have ripple effects and impacts on the entire Europe, lets not be naive about that.
 
Yes when you listen to the biologist consensus but in when you read them, its a little more difficult than that in reality, the line between life and absence of life is not that clear.
If we go by science, life cycle starts at fertilization and a zygote is the first developmental stage



Nop, not yet. You are confusing the beginning of life (which is again a consensus but debated) with the beginning of humanity AND the beginning of conscisouness (what makes us human in the first place)
No. You are confusing being an individual of the species homo sapiens with philosophical personhood or whatever.


And how did she acted in the trial exactly ? What are your evidences mate ?
Like that whole deal with the donation/pledge nonsense for example.


This is not suffering, this is losing contracts. If I remember correctly Johnny Depp still has FAR ENOUGH to live a maximalist confortable life. So let's not compare plain harrasment and the global delegitimation of rape testimonies with a loss of contracts shall we.

Let's not be assholes.
Rich ass fucking people can still suffer mentally over a wide variety of things.


No, that's just the right thing to do when society is forged in a way where women's testimonies and accusations are systematically delegitimized and non treated.

This is called equity. Maybe that's not a concept you understand.
Nah going by evidence is the right thing to do.


Transwomen are women, so Dylan Mulvaney is a women. What are you trying to tell us here ? :seriously:
Transwomen are transwomen, since "woman" is still defined by being female, even if you refuse to acceot basic definitions for basic terms

Nop, they lost money because they alienated the ones they were trying to appeal to in the first place : progressist that stopped to support them after that.
So the anti-woke brigade boycotting them didnt make them lose money? If thats the case, why would they need to backpedal?
 
Dylan is a dude. And a p.o.s. faker too.

Depp lost work, That's countless money loss, we're you in the same position, You'd be livid.
#IstandwithVic , because of people that spread this crap ass ideologies this world's gone to shit. Yet you think you're helping to build a Utopia, Couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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If we go by science, life cycle starts at fertilization and a zygote is the first developmental stage
Like I said its the biologist consensus, because there needs to be an answer, but in reality when we dig deeper there is a clear debate about the frontiere between the existence and the absence of life itself.


No. You are confusing being an individual of the species homo sapiens with philosophical personhood or whatever.
No no. You are mconfusing the creation of life and the creation of a human life. In reality a blob of skin really becomes human (meaning having all the attribute of what makes us different from animals and plants) on the 20th week when we aquire consciousness.

The debate is therefore not when do life begin, but when do we consider that humanity begins. Because if we consider that we must absolutely preserve life no matter, then we must also preserve all the life on our planete including plants. That's just not possible so we have create a limit to the moment we consider acceptable to prevent the development of the life form to go farther.

That's why there are different time limit in function of the countries and states.


Like that whole deal with the donation/pledge nonsense for example.
Yup, it was a lie. She didn't donate to charity. Does this make her a complete psychopath and compulsive liar ? Absolutely not. Sometimes you just lie for your image and that's why she did.

No one is saying that heard is a saint in this trial, we are not blind over some of her lies, what we are denouncing is the difference of treatment between Depp and Heard. Because yes, the guys was an abuser.

You absolutely need to understand that because a woman do something unlawfull, this doesn't negate situation as a victim. Heard is still a victim of abuse EVEN if she lied about some charity donation.

The problem is when men like you are using the bits of negativity that you can find on women to denigrate their entire situations. That's called sexism.


Rich ass fucking people can still suffer mentally over a wide variety of things.
Of course, that's precisely why I say that Amber Heard actually suffered when Depp did not. Depp lost contracts, he didn't get wordwide shamed on the internet and medias, he was not harrassed, she was.


Nah going by evidence is the right thing to do.
Only in a utopia where people of different gender have the same rights, priviledges and social status. Then yes, going by evidences would be the right thing to do.

Social science proved us that this is not enough in our society. We need to use equity. And for that we must put her trust first into victim as there are the ones who will suffer sometimes physically and most of the time mentally by the backlash of speaking about their situations when we also know that on the great scale, there is very little repercussion on the accused.

Transwomen are transwomen, since "woman" is still defined by being female, even if you refuse to acceot basic definitions for basic terms
Transwomen are women. If you refuse to accept that, then you are denying there identity. You can, but that would make you a transphobe. So be careful.

I won't have this debate with you again as you absolutely don't care about science and only your transphobic definitions.

Just respect women or don't speak about that, unless you want a report.


So the anti-woke brigade boycotting them didnt make them lose money?
Technically yes, but when we look at the situation we see that this was an unintended effect as those were the reason why the production took a step back on their product. In reality the loss comes from both sides.

The point is, the marketing strategy was created to make profit, they didn't sticked with it, so they lost money.


Dylan is a dude. And a p.o.s. faker too.
Ok transphobe.


Depp lost work, That's countless money loss, we're you in the same position, You'd be livid.
Livid, yes, mentally and physically hurt, no. He could still live better that most modestly rich people in the country.

this world's gone to shit
Only you bro... only you, unless you are talking about the rise of the far right like yourself, then I agree, its going to sh*t.


Yet you think you're helping to build a Utopia
No, just a better society, we are far from building a utopia
 
Like I said its the biologist consensus, because there needs to be an answer, but in reality when we dig deeper there is a clear debate about the frontiere between the existence and the absence of life itself.



No no. You are mconfusing the creation of life and the creation of a human life. In reality a blob of skin really becomes human (meaning having all the attribute of what makes us different from animals and plants) on the 20th week when we aquire consciousness.

The debate is therefore not when do life begin, but when do we consider that humanity begins. Because if we consider that we must absolutely preserve life no matter, then we must also preserve all the life on our planete including plants. That's just not possible so we have create a limit to the moment we consider acceptable to prevent the development of the life form to go farther.

That's why there are different time limit in function of the countries and states.



Yup, it was a lie. She didn't donate to charity. Does this make her a complete psychopath and compulsive liar ? Absolutely not. Sometimes you just lie for your image and that's why she did.

No one is saying that heard is a saint in this trial, we are not blind over some of her lies, what we are denouncing is the difference of treatment between Depp and Heard. Because yes, the guys was an abuser.

You absolutely need to understand that because a woman do something unlawfull, this doesn't negate situation as a victim. Heard is still a victim of abuse EVEN if she lied about some charity donation.

The problem is when men like you are using the bits of negativity that you can find on women to denigrate their entire situations. That's called sexism.



Of course, that's precisely why I say that Amber Heard actually suffered when Depp did not. Depp lost contracts, he didn't get wordwide shamed on the internet and medias, he was not harrassed, she was.



Only in a utopia where people of different gender have the same rights, priviledges and social status. Then yes, going by evidences would be the right thing to do.

Social science proved us that this is not enough in our society. We need to use equity. And for that we must put her trust first into victim as there are the ones who will suffer sometimes physically and most of the time mentally by the backlash of speaking about their situations when we also know that on the great scale, there is very little repercussion on the accused.


Transwomen are women. If you refuse to accept that, then you are denying there identity. You can, but that would make you a transphobe. So be careful.

I won't have this debate with you again as you absolutely don't care about science and only your transphobic definitions.

Just respect women or don't speak about that, unless you want a report.



Technically yes, but when we look at the situation we see that this was an unintended effect as those were the reason why the production took a step back on their product. In reality the loss comes from both sides.

The point is, the marketing strategy was created to make profit, they didn't sticked with it, so they lost money.



Ok transphobe.



Livid, yes, mentally and physically hurt, no. He could still live better that most modestly rich people in the country.


Only you bro... only you, unless you are talking about the rise of the far right like yourself, then I agree, its going to sh*t.



No, just a better society, we are far from building a utopia
If only you didn't live in such a closed off mindset. Trust me bro, there's more of us than there's more of you.
Your ideologies are Fringe for a reason. It's unacceptable crap.
 
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Like I said its the biologist consensus, because there needs to be an answer, but in reality when we dig deeper there is a clear debate about the frontiere between the existence and the absence of life itself.
Not in this context really.
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You are mconfusing the creation of life and the creation of a human life
Uhm so that life form eventually becomes human?

No dude, its a member of homo sapiens from the first developmental life stage, so zygote.

Mind you this is purely biological and doesnt necessarily have to do with the abortion debate
 
If only you didn't live in such a closed off mindset
Sorry, I think you are misstaken, you are saying to the guys who deradicalized himself from the far right and complotism, who went from being anti SJW to a militant leftist, who went from liberals to anti liberal, who went from not knowing anything about science to sociologist apologist, who went from ignorance to knowledge about multiple subject such as feminism/antiracism/anticolonialism/antifascism.. that he is in a "closed off mindset".


Trust me bro, there's more of us than there's more of you.
We are indeed. Sadly for you, science is on our side, and you won't suppress science. So you WILL lose mate. The far right you are the representation of will eventually lose again. It might come back again, but will lose again, and again, and again.

Simply because reality is not on your side.

You can either accept it, or take a rock and live under it. But take an umbrella, more rocks are coming your way.
 
Sorry, I think you are misstaken, you are saying to the guys who deradicalized himself from the far right and complotism, who went from being anti SJW to a militant leftist, who went from liberals to anti liberal, who went from not knowing anything about science to sociologist apologist, who went from ignorance to knowledge about multiple subject such as feminism/antiracism/anticolonialism/antifascism.. that he is in a "closed off mindset".



We are indeed. Sadly for you, science is on our side, and you won't suppress science. So you WILL lose mate. The far right you are the representation of will eventually lose again. It might come back again, but will lose again, and again, and again.

Simply because reality is not on your side.

You can either accept it, or take a rock and live under it. But take an umbrella, more rocks are coming your way.
Keep dreaming Dreamer
 
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