Speculations Luffy will end up fighting both Kizaru and Saturn at the same time

Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Short theory, but all of this conflict in the fanbase over Kizaru's status and Saturn's arc antagonism just has me going, very simply, why not:




Now here's the thing, if you can believe the following, its very easy to agree with this mindset imo:

- Kizaru will in fact get up. He is seen moving this very chapter. This is not a troll statement, it is objectively true and people saying otherwise need some self reflection.

- Zoro is still fighting Lucci, which also objectively true. It is unknown of Oda will have him actually win soon.

- Kizaru will not betray Saturn (yet). This has to do with giving Kizaru a bit more internal conflict as an Admiral first before we potentially end the arc with him helping the crew

- Saturn is the arc antagonist and can lose. This is obvious and its even something I am conceding on with regards to the losing aspect. @Garp the Fist made a great point in another thread that even if Saturn loses this arc, you have 4 more Gorosei of a similar caliber and Imu who presides above them. Then you also have God Knights. On top of this, it doesnt suggest that defeating the Gorosei makes the presence of Akainu, Shanks and Blackbeard any less than they have. My main issue with Saturn losing had to do with endgame presence, but when he's one of 6 and there are 9 or so God Knights under them, it frankly doesnt matter.

- The Ancient Robot exists to assist in battle this arc and is powerful enough to withstand Admiral and Gorosei attacks.


The last one is key, I dont think Luffy will fight Kizaru and Saturn in a 1v2, but rather a 2v2 where the Ancient Robot comes to his aid.

How I can see the chain of events going:

- Kuma attempts to attack Saturn, eventually he fails
- Luffy, as Nika, saves both Kuma and Bonney.
- Kizaru, either via attacking Luffy or continuing his mission, will force the idea (to the reader) that Luffy is spread too thin.
- Cue the Ancient Robot, which allows Luffy to be at two places at once to stop the Admiral and Gorosei.

When you consider the Robot in any other fashion, it seems like overkill if its meant to help Luffy as Nika while he fights Kizaru or Saturn alone.

Anyway, could be a moot point in the end, but I think this is the likely route when it comes to dealing with all present threats.

And yes, before anyone complains of it being the "Luffy show", ask yourself if that actually matters to Oda after WCI and Wano lol
 
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Herrera95

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Why not...

Kizaru fight with Luffy again protecting Saturn(so he wins points with him).

He fully defeats Luffy while sending him flying with Bonney and Sentomaru(he doesn't want to harm them) while Vegapunk gets captured(they probably won't kill him if they managed to fully capture him).

Meanwhile Zoro defeats Lucci and is about to fight Kizaru then either Zoro decides it is better to leave or Kizaru tells him his plan.

They escape to somewhere (not Elbaf) and Saturn gets pissed knowing what Kizaru did then Kizaru flex throwing on his face how he just saved his weak Tenryuubito ass and fullfilled all the important points of the mission.
 
Nadel

Nadel

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Paperchampion23 said:
I dont think so, we know 200 years ago it was designed for combat.

You can see it held a spear here:



And considering the Gorosei seem ageless, it wouldnt surprise me if it recognizes Saturn.

That being said, I assume it will also help them escape too
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I don't think the old robot will fight, at most it will fight just a little enough to escape.
The giants must know the robot, because their helmets are similar to the robot's.....the giants must know their history of the robot, then it is likely that the robot will also go to elbaf
 
nik87

nik87

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So it isnt 2vs2 but actually 2x 1vs1? :sanmoji:
And I am not sure you understand how much of a hype killer it would be for either Kizaru or Saturn to be stopped by the Ancient Robot...
And Oda is all about hype when it comes to his villains, after all, that's the only thing most of them have before they get trashed.

And Kuma is the first anti-hype device that Saturn is getting, even tho he needs to fail he will still do something to him.
I seriously doubt all that rage will result in nothing. And Saturn's hype aint that much to begin with, other than narratively being Kizaru's superior officer. What has he done so far? Stare-diffed a couple of fodders?

And such low hype will be cracked by Kuma and then the Ancient Robot? Hell... Gorosei and Imu might check out right away if that happens. Surely, he can keep Zoro away from both Kizaru and Saturn with the housecat, he stalled Shanks with a mountain bandit after all... However, if he wants to keep their hype even after defeat, then they should be defeated by the strongest people on the island and Zoro is the man for that job.
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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nik87 said:
So it isnt 2vs2 but actually 2x 1vs1? :sanmoji:
And I am not sure you understand how much of a hype killer it would be for either Kizaru or Saturn to be stopped by the Ancient Robot...
And Oda is all about hype when it comes to his villains, after all, that's the only thing most of them have before they get trashed.

And Kuma is the first anti-hype device that Saturn is getting, even tho he needs to fail he will still do something to him.
I seriously doubt all that rage will result in nothing. And Saturn's hype aint that much to begin with, other than narratively being Kizaru's superior officer. What has he done so far? Stare-diffed a couple of fodders?

And such low hype will be cracked by Kuma and then the Ancient Robot? Hell... Gorosei and Imu might check out right away if that happens. Surely, he can keep Zoro away from both Kizaru and Saturn with the housecat, he stalled Shanks with a mountain bandit after all... However, if he wants to keep their hype even after defeat, then they should be defeated by the strongest people on the island and Zoro is the man for that job.
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Feel like calling it a hype killer is a bit egregious considering we dont really know what it can do lol. I mean, if it originates from the Ancient Kingdom, isnt that hype worthy regardless?
 
nik87

nik87

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Paperchampion23 said:
Feel like calling it a hype killer is a bit egregious considering we dont really know what it can do lol. I mean, if it originates from the Ancient Kingdom, isnt that hype worthy regardless?
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Sure but one of the supposed end-game villains is kept in check by a robot with no personality and no narrative attachment, no anything? Regardless of how strong the robot is, it is a robot in the end and for Saturn/Kizaru to be kept in check by such... RIP hype.
 
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