Speculations Luffy will end up fighting both Kizaru and Saturn at the same time

[BlackLegFring]

If Kuma isn’t teleporting the Sunny to Elbaf, then the Ancient Robot could be a substitute…but I do think it will fight too.

It was going to Mariejois for a reason, and the only thing that could have been in Mariejois 200 years ago that’s also in Egghead is Saturn.

Saturns stare attack and spider legs wouldn’t be very useful against it, so Kizaru may have to step in there as he’s still Saturn’s bodyguard.

 

[Paperchampion23]

When paper champion finally realizes after months that luffy vs Saturn was the likely scenario but has to try to make it a two vs two in order to save face lol

Nice blatant revisionism of our conversations lol. Here was my first ever, entirely harmless, response to you months ago:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1094-spoilers-discussion.47861/post-4793906

Ehh i don't agree lol. I can see them clashing, but imo its not Saturn's purpose to lose here.

There are things the WG needs to remain viable threats, those being the seraphim and Mother Flame. Only Saturn can ideally bring those back.

The only thing Ive reconciled with this thread is that Saturn can, in fact, lose here, which literally had nothing to do with you.

OUR specific arguments were about Kizaru 90% of the time, and the fact that your trolling led to two arguments:

- Who saves Bonney immediately, which you were wrong about.
- Kizaru getting up, which we'll see what happens.

Anything else about Saturn was a byproduct of this conversation.

 

[zorovsanji]

It's been foreshadowed in sabaody already. The no. 2s(Rayleigh, kizaru, Zoro). This guy is still hoping kizaru vs Zoro won't happen. Lol

 

[Paperchampion23]

It's been foreshadowed in sabaody already. The no. 2s(Rayleigh, kizaru, Zoro). This guy is still hoping kizaru vs Zoro won't happen. Lol

Lol, reverse the script bruh, you need to hope Zoro ends his fight with Lucci for that to happen

 

[Durableguy]

Nice blatant revisionism of our conversations lol. Here was my first ever, entirely harmless, response to you months ago:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1094-spoilers-discussion.47861/post-4793906


The only thing Ive reconciled with this thread is that Saturn can, in fact, lose here, which literally had nothing to do with you.

OUR specific arguments were about Kizaru 90% of the time, and the fact that your trolling led to two arguments:

- Who saves Bonney immediately, which you were wrong about.
- Kizaru getting up, which we'll see what happens.

Anything else about Saturn was a byproduct of this conversation.

Nope.

I can look up things you said about the robot:


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.49847/page-184#post-4894166

You consistently argued the robot would save Bonney. And you were even rude to the person you responded to.

I swear you even argued the Vice Admirals were going to fight the strawhats...when they got foddered by Kuma. Lmao

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https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...n-kinda-has-to-happen-lol.49329/#post-4836856

In fact:

"Wild to me that the Robot isnt the first option on everybody's list here, in at least causing chaos and stalling the Gorosei"

I've been calling this narrative for months.

Glad everyone is board now.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Nope.

I can look up things you said about the robot:


https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.49847/page-184#post-4894166

You consistently argued the robot would save Bonney. And you were even rude to the person you responded to.

I swear you even argued the Vice Admirals were going to fight the strawhats...when they got foddered by Kuma. Lmao

?

Thats not OUR conversation. That person and I were specifically talking about the Robot, not Kuma. You and I talked about both for months, which I provided both options multiple times. Do you need me to bring those up again to show you how wrong you are?

Ironic is how you told Pringles in another thread to not tag me to start an argument, yet jump into my thread to start shit and try to derail the thread

 

[Durableguy]

?

Thats not OUR conversation. That person and I were specifically talking about the Robot, not Kuma. You and I talked about both for months, which I provided both options multiple times. Do you need me to bring those up again to show you how wrong you are?

Ironic is how you told Pringles in another thread to not tag me to start an argument, yet jump into my thread to start shit and try to derail the thread

Look at the edit.

You even quoted me when I was wrong the other day...from a topic where you did the very same thing I said you did.

So at this point. It's damage control.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Look at the edit.

You even quoted me when I was wrong the other day...from a topic where you did the very same thing I said you did.

So at this point. It's damage control.

Cherry picking comments just makes you look like a chump. If you can quote me talking to someone random, then you can also consider the countless times I mentioned Kuma as an option as well, not even including our own conversations you should be focusing on:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1100-spoilers-discussion.50865/post-4964486

Literally what you posted supports my point even more. Kuma WANTS to be like Nika, which is exactly what Im talking about.

The fuck did you even quote me for? Luffy defeating Saturn isnt even the point of the conversation, he just doesnt NEED to save Bonney right this second.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1097-spoilers-discussion.49847/post-4893975

This doesnt matter lol, the issue is RIGHT NOW, Luffy is on the ground trapped with everyone else and depowered. In the context of the scene before the flashback, he's just as helpless as everyone else.

The Robot saving Bonney is still by virtue Nika saving her, because it is activated by his drums/heartbeat.

Kuma saving Bonney makes symbolic sense as well. Bonney has seen Luffy's form and has made zero comments about it being "Nika". She doesnt even know what he looks like.

 

[Durableguy]

Cherry picking comments just makes you look like a chump. If you can quote me talking to someone random, then you can also consider the countless times I mentioned Kuma as an option as well, not even including our own conversations you should be focusing on:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1100-spoilers-discussion.50865/post-4964486



https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1097-spoilers-discussion.49847/post-4893975

But you kept denying Luffy would fight Saturn.

That's our real contention.

You argued it was everyone BUT Luffy and even argued Luffy was trapped by Saturn's power.

Something we know isn't true.

The reality is that Luffy will probably look better than Akainu this arc.

And you can't handle that

Even the people you are arguing with, always argue with you because you kept denying Luffy vs Saturn

 

[BlackLegFring]

The nightmares that the Admirals must give this guy! He even brought Akainu into it when no one mentioned him at all.

Then there’ll be inevitable whining about someone calling out his bizarre obsession.

 

[Paperchampion23]

But you kept denying Luffy would fight Saturn.

No....we've been through this and now we are going in circles. I literally just sent you my first ever conversation with you about Saturn, where I directly say they can fight and my issue was with him losing lol

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1094-spoilers-discussion.47861/post-4793906

Amazing how you've spun this now about Saturn, when you know fully well 99% of our conversions had to do with Kizaru getting back up and someone other than Luffy saving Bonney lol.

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The nightmares that the Admirals must give this guy! He even brought Akainu into it when no one mentioned him at all.

Then there’ll be inevitable whining about someone calling out his bizarre obsession.

Like, he didnt even have to respond to the thread lol, it was in his favor but he couldnt help himself to cry about a fictional character.

 

[Durableguy]

No....we've been through this and now we are going in circles. I literally just sent you my first ever conversation with you about Saturn, where I directly say they can fight and my issue was with him losing lol

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1094-spoilers-discussion.47861/post-4793906

Amazing how you've spun this now about Saturn, when you know fully well 99% of our conversions had to do with Kizaru getting back up and someone other than Luffy saving Bonney lol.

"I don't agree"

And then you ended up getting more and more radical in your stance. I can literally see all of your responses to other people and myself.

Why are you lying? Most of our conversations was about Luffy vs Saturn.

Did you not make up the entire point of Luffy being trapped to the ground?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is ridiculous, man.
It's pretty clear Luffy's going to fight Saturn. No matter how short the fight is, it's gonna happen.
This always happens. Luffy fights one villain, who he beats relatively easy with his new/most powerful form after being pushed/matched in his other form(s), then he goes on to fight another one, the head honcho, in said form again and has a harder time defeating them but still wins in the end.
This happens frequently.
He did it with Blueno and Lucci, for example.
Though I think he'll beat Saturn a little bit easier than he beat Lucci in Enies Lobby, but we'll see.
In any case, I'm certain Luffy's fighting him, there's no reason for them to constantly talk about Nika saving them and Bonney losing faith in him if Luffy's going to fight Kizaru and let someone else fight Saturn.
It's unfathomably shit writing, and I can't understand how anyone actually thinks that'd happen.
Not to mention, it seems like Kizaru is only just now able to move enough to slump himself against the wall, I doubt he'd going to be able to move well enough to fight Luffy in enough time.
We also don't know what's happening with the other Straw Hats, especially Zoro, who could finish Lucci off at any moment and come down to help along with the other members that are currently missing.
So I'd say you should just wait for the next chapter, cause right now it really seems like this is just going to be a 1v1 between Luffy and Saturn.

 

[Durableguy]

Right. Bonney even asked about Luffys bounty poster and he brought up freedom.

Saturn then points out she hasn't put all the dots together and her faith in Nika is waning.

Dot dot dot.

It's narratively very strange if Luffy doesn't beat Saturn.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Did you not make up the entire point of Luffy being trapped to the ground?

Thanks for admitting the exact topic we had for 3 months. This had everything to do with who was saving Bonney immediately, and nothing to do with actual matchups lmao.

Can you not comprehend this difference?

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This is ridiculous, man.
It's pretty clear Luffy's going to fight Saturn. No matter how short the fight is, it's gonna happen.
This always happens. Luffy fights one villain, who he beats relatively easy with his new/most powerful form after being pushed/matched in his other form(s), then he goes on to fight another one, the head honcho, in said form again and has a harder time defeating them but still wins in the end.
This happens frequently.
He did it with Blueno and Lucci, for example.
Though I think he'll beat Saturn a little bit easier than he beat Lucci in Enies Lobby, but we'll see.
In any case, I'm certain Luffy's fighting him, there's no reason for them to constantly talk about Nika saving them and Bonney losing faith in him if Luffy's going to fight Kizaru and let someone else fight Saturn.
It's unfathomably shit writing, and I can't understand how anyone actually thinks that'd happen.
Not to mention, it seems like Kizaru is only just now able to move enough to slump himself against the wall, I doubt he'd going to be able to move well enough to fight Luffy in enough time.
We also don't know what's happening with the other Straw Hats, especially Zoro, who could finish Lucci off at any moment and come down to help along with the other members that are currently missing.
So I'd say you should just wait for the next chapter, cause right now it really seems like this is just going to be a 1v1 between Luffy and Saturn.

Where did I, at any point in this thread, say that Luffy wont fight Saturn specifically?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Thanks for admitting the exact topic we had for 3 months. This had everything to do with who was saving Bonney immediately, and nothing to do with actual matchups lmao.

Can you not comprehend this difference?

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Where did I, at any point in this thread, say that Luffy wont fight Saturn specifically?

We are not doing this, Paper.
You and me are both very aware that you've said he'll fight Kizaru, so many times that your tongue has grown abs.

 

[Hako Sama]

When you consider the Robot in any other fashion, it seems like overkill if its meant to help Luffy as Nika while he fights Kizaru or Saturn alone.

I think the robot is also their only way out of Egghead, it certainly can fly, as it somehow appeared out of nowhere in Marijoa.

Nice theory.

 

[Paperchampion23]

We are not doing this, Paper.
You and me are both very aware that you've said he'll fight Kizaru, so many times that your tongue has grown abs.

Again. Why are you spouting this bullshit in a thread supporting claims of them fighting here? Your comment was a direct response to the OP, which you clearly didnt read.

I am literally saying he'll fight both with the Robot, what is your problem?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Again. Why are you spouting this bullshit in a thread supporting claims of them fighting here? Your comment was a direct response to the OP, which you clearly didnt read

:laughmoji:
You're yappin about them having a 2v2 and allat, even though Kizaru still hasn't even stood up yet, lmao.
Like I said, just wait for the next chapter instead of throwing random shit at the wall and trying to see what sticks.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Again. Why are you spouting this bullshit in a thread supporting claims of them fighting here? Your comment was a direct response to the OP, which you clearly didnt read.

I am literally saying he'll fight both with the Robot, what is your problem?

They probably can’t understand that people can change their minds or revise their opinion as time goes on or when new info is presented.

Even though the thread title clearly has Luffy fighting Saturn, they overlook it to complain about statements from months ago.

It just leads to amusingly hypocritical nonsense like telling you to stop theorizing (despite them doing the same and getting upset it didn’t turn out as they wished)…as if the entire point of theorizing isn’t to try and foresee things before they happen.