General & Others Why has One Piece failed so miserably in the West?
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There is no marineford without WB. The whole arc was a plot for the Marines to bring WB in the open, and no WB means no broadcast and nobody can actually save Ace.
Which also mean that Luffy dies in ID because the only person who actually allowed him to escape was BB breaking in and creating mayhem.
Ace would not have been executed like that, he would probably been executed in ID.
There is no Gura Gura for BB and probably no yonko title.
I don't understand how can you have such a bad understanding of a story for children.
Which also mean that Luffy dies in ID because the only person who actually allowed him to escape was BB breaking in and creating mayhem.
Ace would not have been executed like that, he would probably been executed in ID.
There is no Gura Gura for BB and probably no yonko title.
I don't understand how can you have such a bad understanding of a story for children.
The point of Marineford was to bring out WB.
If they wanted to just kill Ace they would have shot him in the head the moment BB handed him in, don't you think?
And without WB and the fleet, Luffy arrives and the admirals wipe everybody.
Yeah we saw how well that turned out for WB.
BB could approach impel down just because he was a scichibukai, the yonkos are continuously monitored and the moment shank approached he'd have found there all the Marine force
If they wanted to just kill Ace they would have shot him in the head the moment BB handed him in, don't you think?
And without WB and the fleet, Luffy arrives and the admirals wipe everybody.
Yeah we saw how well that turned out for WB.
BB could approach impel down just because he was a scichibukai, the yonkos are continuously monitored and the moment shank approached he'd have found there all the Marine force
Well, Naruto ended a decade ago so there is a vacuum left behind that One Piece is currently filling, it's gaining traction now.
Even so, I'd say Dragon Ball Super had a higher peak in the west than anything One Piece has done recently. Even "Gear 5" that was supposed to be so iconic and break the internet pales in comparsion to the cultural impact left behind by Ultra Instinct.
People tried to make viewing parties for Gear 5 but it could never measure up to the crowds of 10,000+ that were present in multiple locations watching the final 2 Dragon Ball Super episodes, and all streaming sites crashing of course.
I make these comparisons because one piece fans themselves were proping up gear 5's popularity in comparison to Super Saiyan.
Even so, I'd say Dragon Ball Super had a higher peak in the west than anything One Piece has done recently. Even "Gear 5" that was supposed to be so iconic and break the internet pales in comparsion to the cultural impact left behind by Ultra Instinct.
People tried to make viewing parties for Gear 5 but it could never measure up to the crowds of 10,000+ that were present in multiple locations watching the final 2 Dragon Ball Super episodes, and all streaming sites crashing of course.
I make these comparisons because one piece fans themselves were proping up gear 5's popularity in comparison to Super Saiyan.
Dragon Ball Super may be a perfect example of Popular /= Good.
It's probably the worst Dragon Ball product that ever came out.
But again, everyone in Latin America and certain Europe country (Italy, France, Germany) grew up with Dragonball. When Dragonball was the ONLY anime.
When One Piece came out the gate was open, and in Europe for example, at least where I grew up, Naruto and One Piece were at the same level of popularity.
Nowadays One Piece is relevant mostly because it still exists.
It's probably the worst Dragon Ball product that ever came out.
But again, everyone in Latin America and certain Europe country (Italy, France, Germany) grew up with Dragonball. When Dragonball was the ONLY anime.
When One Piece came out the gate was open, and in Europe for example, at least where I grew up, Naruto and One Piece were at the same level of popularity.
Nowadays One Piece is relevant mostly because it still exists.
It's very simple, maybe I should have phrased it better.
Naruto and One Piece, in Europe, were famous because they were the only relevant ones.
When Naruto finished, even shit like Toriko became relevant to fill the gap.
One Piece remained very famous because he was the heir of Dragonball, and never left the place.
Naruto and One Piece, in Europe, were famous because they were the only relevant ones.
When Naruto finished, even shit like Toriko became relevant to fill the gap.
One Piece remained very famous because he was the heir of Dragonball, and never left the place.
Gaara really had a lot of development after his battle with Naruto, but there are many One Piece characters with similar development (e.g.: Buggy, Crocodile, Lucci), and some have even more fantastic journeys and buildups (Buggy's leap from East Blue "king" to Yonko, leading stronger pirates to the One Piece and "teaching" how to be a true pirate, was one of the best things that happened recently). Then, after his rescue arc, he was just brushed off, although he had a better run than most other characters.
Shikamaru is a well built character, I agree, but even him suffers from Naruto inconsistencies. For example, early in the chunins exams his plan to defeat Temari was basically the same that Naruto had to defeat Neji, yet only Shikamaru got promoted to chunin (btw, Naruto's early battles were full of great, overloooked, strategy). His initial plan against Kakuzu and Hidan was ridiculous, if Kakashi (and later Naruto) weren't there, Team 10 would be easily dead. His relationships with other characters and personality buildup (from lazy bum to an actual resposible leader) was great, but his intelligence is somewhat overrated.
1. The "chosen one" trope is really a problem, specially recently, I agree, but I don't see incompatibilities between the revos and JoyBoy, I didn't really understand this part of your criticism. The real world revolutions never were simply "overthrowing the ruling class"... it was ALWAYS a new power rising (e.g.: Bourgeoisie vs. a weakened Absolutism in French Revolution, a new ruling class emerges). However, I see Luffy as an anarchist, while the revos seem to be more on the socialist side, so they may have some things in common (specially the enemies), but in the end they may not blend together. I don't think many things will change in EoS, Luffy (plus the revos probably) will just overthrow the current World Government (but there will still be kings, nobility, etc., maybe even the WG will continue to exist).
2. One Piece is an epic fantasy, so I really don't mind countries with themes or being heavily stereotyped. They have life on their own and their particular characteristics/issues. Naruto, on the other hand, looked totally generic outside of Konoha, everything looked centered around the Land of Fire. Well, One Piece is centered around the strawhats, but the events in each country DO have consequences for the world (e.g.: the Arabasta and Dressrosa incidents prompted the dissolution of the Shichibukai). About the "magic" and races "incosistency", I didn't really understand your concern. Different races has been appearing since East Blue and haki was appeared on the very first chapter... everyone who paid attention had it coming.
Shanks' lack of CoA in chapter #1 is really a inconsistency, I agree, but both him and Buggy were never hinted to be knowledgeable about the One Piece. We could assume that since they were Roger Pirates, but we knew since at least Arabasta (chapter #218) about the Rio Poneglyph and, so far, we knew that Shanks had no means of reading the poneglyphs. He could've a Laugh Tale's eternal pose, like in Stampede, but that wouldn't make sense considering Roger's last words (he would instruct only Shanks if he wanted him to be his successor).
Fair enough, although Pain's ideals were brought down by "talk no jutsu" in the end. Doffy wasn't incompetent, he just couldn't hold a candle to Luffy and was defeated. Gear 4th was useful against Cracker and Katakuri (in other words, by all of WCI) and for a part of Wano too. Pain's fight was indeed better, Dressrosa's final chapters were too dragged out and the birdcage was bs... but the ending was MUCH more satisfying, IMO. The arc comparison is sound though, they really encompass the same stage for each story, now I understand your point. I guess we just have a difference of opinion really.
Shikamaru is a well built character, I agree, but even him suffers from Naruto inconsistencies. For example, early in the chunins exams his plan to defeat Temari was basically the same that Naruto had to defeat Neji, yet only Shikamaru got promoted to chunin (btw, Naruto's early battles were full of great, overloooked, strategy). His initial plan against Kakuzu and Hidan was ridiculous, if Kakashi (and later Naruto) weren't there, Team 10 would be easily dead. His relationships with other characters and personality buildup (from lazy bum to an actual resposible leader) was great, but his intelligence is somewhat overrated.
1. The "chosen one" trope is really a problem, specially recently, I agree, but I don't see incompatibilities between the revos and JoyBoy, I didn't really understand this part of your criticism. The real world revolutions never were simply "overthrowing the ruling class"... it was ALWAYS a new power rising (e.g.: Bourgeoisie vs. a weakened Absolutism in French Revolution, a new ruling class emerges). However, I see Luffy as an anarchist, while the revos seem to be more on the socialist side, so they may have some things in common (specially the enemies), but in the end they may not blend together. I don't think many things will change in EoS, Luffy (plus the revos probably) will just overthrow the current World Government (but there will still be kings, nobility, etc., maybe even the WG will continue to exist).
2. One Piece is an epic fantasy, so I really don't mind countries with themes or being heavily stereotyped. They have life on their own and their particular characteristics/issues. Naruto, on the other hand, looked totally generic outside of Konoha, everything looked centered around the Land of Fire. Well, One Piece is centered around the strawhats, but the events in each country DO have consequences for the world (e.g.: the Arabasta and Dressrosa incidents prompted the dissolution of the Shichibukai). About the "magic" and races "incosistency", I didn't really understand your concern. Different races has been appearing since East Blue and haki was appeared on the very first chapter... everyone who paid attention had it coming.
Shanks' lack of CoA in chapter #1 is really a inconsistency, I agree, but both him and Buggy were never hinted to be knowledgeable about the One Piece. We could assume that since they were Roger Pirates, but we knew since at least Arabasta (chapter #218) about the Rio Poneglyph and, so far, we knew that Shanks had no means of reading the poneglyphs. He could've a Laugh Tale's eternal pose, like in Stampede, but that wouldn't make sense considering Roger's last words (he would instruct only Shanks if he wanted him to be his successor).
Fair enough, although Pain's ideals were brought down by "talk no jutsu" in the end. Doffy wasn't incompetent, he just couldn't hold a candle to Luffy and was defeated. Gear 4th was useful against Cracker and Katakuri (in other words, by all of WCI) and for a part of Wano too. Pain's fight was indeed better, Dressrosa's final chapters were too dragged out and the birdcage was bs... but the ending was MUCH more satisfying, IMO. The arc comparison is sound though, they really encompass the same stage for each story, now I understand your point. I guess we just have a difference of opinion really.
Shanks could part the skies by himself. WB is a filler character and he dilutes the story.
The Hokage goal should have been dropped at the Cunnin exam. It was fine at the start of the story but once people are dying, Naruto's goal of becoming Hokage becomes too selfish. Shikamaru was the only character that demonstrated mental strategy so I was okay with only him being promoted.
They don't blend together. Revolutionizes want to change the beliefs of the population. Meanwhile Luffy is more of an anarchist or even authoritarian since his justification for all his actions is his fists.
I'm fine with Sterotypes (norms) like in G Gundam but the OP world doesn't feel realistic. it feels completely fake. Like I don't see how living under Blackbeard or Donflamanigo is bad enough that it would justify people giving up their lifespawn to Big Meme as protection money. Alternatively, the Navy/Marines/World Govt./Admirals/Gorosoi/Holy Knights/Imu? can destroy any Island but they allow all these Islands to be ruled by warloads and yonkos. The worldbuilding makes 0 sense, even worse than Naruto.
There are other problems. I'm rereading Little Garden and Luffy mocks the giants for caring about the will of Gods. Or the Baroque Works crew, including Mr.0, wanting to remain anonymous when it seems like taking over Islands is the norm in this world.
The Hokage goal should have been dropped at the Cunnin exam. It was fine at the start of the story but once people are dying, Naruto's goal of becoming Hokage becomes too selfish. Shikamaru was the only character that demonstrated mental strategy so I was okay with only him being promoted.
They don't blend together. Revolutionizes want to change the beliefs of the population. Meanwhile Luffy is more of an anarchist or even authoritarian since his justification for all his actions is his fists.
I'm fine with Sterotypes (norms) like in G Gundam but the OP world doesn't feel realistic. it feels completely fake. Like I don't see how living under Blackbeard or Donflamanigo is bad enough that it would justify people giving up their lifespawn to Big Meme as protection money. Alternatively, the Navy/Marines/World Govt./Admirals/Gorosoi/Holy Knights/Imu? can destroy any Island but they allow all these Islands to be ruled by warloads and yonkos. The worldbuilding makes 0 sense, even worse than Naruto.
There are other problems. I'm rereading Little Garden and Luffy mocks the giants for caring about the will of Gods. Or the Baroque Works crew, including Mr.0, wanting to remain anonymous when it seems like taking over Islands is the norm in this world.
I mean One Piece has always been famous, not very much in the west but still VERY famous.
Claiming One Pieces is filling gaps when there is literally hundreds of shonens shipping every week is just I don't know dumb.
It is still trending every year with chapters, just like and even more than new trend shonens of today.
JJK hype has passed, Demon Slayer and more, OP still remains at the top.
Bleach at its end was barely talked or hyped, Naruto was mostly criticized during it's final 50-100 chapters.
So no, One Piece is not relevant because it is still being published but rather because it still delivers quality story and chapters.
Claiming One Pieces is filling gaps when there is literally hundreds of shonens shipping every week is just I don't know dumb.
It is still trending every year with chapters, just like and even more than new trend shonens of today.
JJK hype has passed, Demon Slayer and more, OP still remains at the top.
Bleach at its end was barely talked or hyped, Naruto was mostly criticized during it's final 50-100 chapters.
So no, One Piece is not relevant because it is still being published but rather because it still delivers quality story and chapters.
I needed to go to spanish forums for discussions 
