General & Others Why has One Piece failed so miserably in the West?
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Go watch Naruto and Dragonball Z's dub. Then go watch the One Piece 4 Kidz dub.
It's because One Piece's first english adaptation blew ass chunks, and by the time they decided to make a functional English dub the series had so many god damn episodes normies would be like "nope." It's like, "You're 700 episodes in, and they still haven't found the One Piece?"
Naturo and Dragonball Z also have much stronger intros, IMO, that really get you into the action. Luffy's first serious fight is more or less Arlong (Krieg would have been ruined if they fought on dry land, and Buggy/Morgan did NOTHING to Luffy). That's, what, 40 episodes in about? For the FIRST SERIOUS fight the protagonist gets in a shounen?
One Piece takes so fucking long to tell you shit that other series just explain in the intro, I can see why it can be hard to get into.
It's because One Piece's first english adaptation blew ass chunks, and by the time they decided to make a functional English dub the series had so many god damn episodes normies would be like "nope." It's like, "You're 700 episodes in, and they still haven't found the One Piece?"
Naturo and Dragonball Z also have much stronger intros, IMO, that really get you into the action. Luffy's first serious fight is more or less Arlong (Krieg would have been ruined if they fought on dry land, and Buggy/Morgan did NOTHING to Luffy). That's, what, 40 episodes in about? For the FIRST SERIOUS fight the protagonist gets in a shounen?
One Piece takes so fucking long to tell you shit that other series just explain in the intro, I can see why it can be hard to get into.
I think that Naruto wanted to be recognized only. Becoming Hokage was his means to do it, but I feel that he just wanted to be loved. I guess that he achieved it by Pain's invasion arc, so the dream doesn't really make sense, I agree (specially when he doesn't even like the job, at least according to some of the Boruto clips I saw).
Well, my point is that Shikamaru's strategy against Temari was basically the same of Naruto against Neji: keep the distance, distract the foe using decoys, then take the opponent by surprise. Okay, Naruto actually took a lot of damage, but it was inevitable in his case, since he didn't know the full extent of Neji's abilities. And, as I said before, some of his strategies have some flaws (although it's Kishimoto's fault).
They don't have the same ideals, but they aren't enemies either. That's how I see it.
About the idea of living in a Yonko's territory, I understand your point. But I think that they simply have no choice, I guess... better live with a reduced lifespan than die in poverty/war/pillaging. Remember the places where Amande, Randolph and Diesel got the ingredients for Big Mom's cake? Yeah, they resisted Big Mom and were decimated. The New World is a drastic sea too, so moving may not be a viable option for most of those people. The WG can destroy any island, but that would be one less tax payer for them too. In addition, apparently they only had access to Mother Flame recently (Lulusia was the "guinea pig"), so it wasn't always like that.
About your last paragraph, I didn't really understand your points. As far as I remember, Luffy didn't mock Dorry's beliefs, he seriously questioned his reasons for continuing his duel after eating Mr. 5's explosives. Crocodile's goal was taking Arabasta (and thus get Pluton, at least as he thought so), so it seems obvious to me that he couldn't just kill everyone all by himself in broad daylight. Unlike DoFlamingo, he had no claim to the throne or didn't have anything to blackmail the WG (and even DoFlamingo used dirty tricks to get Dressrosa's throne). I don't see the problem in the passages mentioned.
Well, my point is that Shikamaru's strategy against Temari was basically the same of Naruto against Neji: keep the distance, distract the foe using decoys, then take the opponent by surprise. Okay, Naruto actually took a lot of damage, but it was inevitable in his case, since he didn't know the full extent of Neji's abilities. And, as I said before, some of his strategies have some flaws (although it's Kishimoto's fault).
They don't have the same ideals, but they aren't enemies either. That's how I see it.
About the idea of living in a Yonko's territory, I understand your point. But I think that they simply have no choice, I guess... better live with a reduced lifespan than die in poverty/war/pillaging. Remember the places where Amande, Randolph and Diesel got the ingredients for Big Mom's cake? Yeah, they resisted Big Mom and were decimated. The New World is a drastic sea too, so moving may not be a viable option for most of those people. The WG can destroy any island, but that would be one less tax payer for them too. In addition, apparently they only had access to Mother Flame recently (Lulusia was the "guinea pig"), so it wasn't always like that.
About your last paragraph, I didn't really understand your points. As far as I remember, Luffy didn't mock Dorry's beliefs, he seriously questioned his reasons for continuing his duel after eating Mr. 5's explosives. Crocodile's goal was taking Arabasta (and thus get Pluton, at least as he thought so), so it seems obvious to me that he couldn't just kill everyone all by himself in broad daylight. Unlike DoFlamingo, he had no claim to the throne or didn't have anything to blackmail the WG (and even DoFlamingo used dirty tricks to get Dressrosa's throne). I don't see the problem in the passages mentioned.
Sorry to dissapoint you but nobody cares about USA and its sales.
When One Piece sold 516 millions copies 2,9 were in USA thats literally 0, 5 % of total sales. France is second biggest manga market in world after Japan and one piece is most popular manga there . Japan and France together make 87 % of one piece total sales.
From 516 million copies , 472 millions are from Japan , France , Italy and Germany together .
When One Piece sold 516 millions copies 2,9 were in USA thats literally 0, 5 % of total sales. France is second biggest manga market in world after Japan and one piece is most popular manga there . Japan and France together make 87 % of one piece total sales.
From 516 million copies , 472 millions are from Japan , France , Italy and Germany together .
Yeah one piece is definitely in a odd position. For the first time ever there is no manga that really comes close to rivinling it's popularity in the Shonen sphere that is ongoing.
naruto, bleach, jjk, demon slayer, my hero, promised neverland, toriko, death note, aot, Gintama, and many others have all started and ended in between one pieces run. With the double whammy of jjk and mha ending weeks apart Shonen hasn't been quite the same.
perhaps chainsaw man, spy x family, and dandandan can come somewhat close but they are very different stories and audiences. And non have reached the heights of jjk or demon slayer have.
with a massively popular manga, anime, movies, live action series, card games, merch, theme park sections, and soon to be lego sets. I can't say naruto ever had this big of a reach probably because anime wasn't as culturally accepted back then.
naruto, bleach, jjk, demon slayer, my hero, promised neverland, toriko, death note, aot, Gintama, and many others have all started and ended in between one pieces run. With the double whammy of jjk and mha ending weeks apart Shonen hasn't been quite the same.
perhaps chainsaw man, spy x family, and dandandan can come somewhat close but they are very different stories and audiences. And non have reached the heights of jjk or demon slayer have.
with a massively popular manga, anime, movies, live action series, card games, merch, theme park sections, and soon to be lego sets. I can't say naruto ever had this big of a reach probably because anime wasn't as culturally accepted back then.
Original 4kids anime being bad is a big factor. Even without, the anime isn't the best adaption to start with.
In general One Piece is not conventionally pleasing with how the character's look. Bleach and Naruto is full of conventionally "cool" characters. One Piece designs are still memorable but, in a more wacky silly way. In a way it's like Dragon Ball. The original db is no lesser, but it's Dragon Ball Z that is more well known.
In general One Piece is not conventionally pleasing with how the character's look. Bleach and Naruto is full of conventionally "cool" characters. One Piece designs are still memorable but, in a more wacky silly way. In a way it's like Dragon Ball. The original db is no lesser, but it's Dragon Ball Z that is more well known.
