Questions & Mysteries If Luffy fights Saturn that would make him the strongest or second strongest gorosei
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I'll only comment on it once because it's a tiring topic that's been done time and time again, and this thread isn't even about it, but here you go.
Katakuri:
- CoC doesn't make Katakuri stronger in a fight. You may as well list his dance skills.
- He absolutely doesn't have advanced armament hardening, he only has strong hardening. The Luffy that still had to learn the first form of advanced CoA had already matched Katakuri's CoA in G4 in WCI.
- Awakening makes him more versatile, but it's not a game changer like Luffy's awakening.
- His portrayal was already outdated after Wano before Oven brought it further down. Even without the Oven scene, things like his CoA were left in the dust.
- He only has FS on his side to not be considered strong. It's a very strong ability, but without it he'd be literal fodder to the other YC1.
What do the other have?
- Beckman: Has portrayal on his side to be the strongest original YC1.
- Mihawk: Yonko level.
- Sabo: The original poster of the thread is counting him as a YC1. I'll leave him up to you, but he was already YC1 before he got Ace's logia. Unlike Katakuri, he does have advanced CoA.
- Marco: Immortality, fire AoE and decent CoA.
- King: If I go into detail this will become Katakuri vs King thread #999, but King has everything above Katakuri except CoO. Katakuri wishes he had King's CoA. Katakuri would have a very hard time damaging speed mode King, while King has very strong and very wide fire AoE and the strength to possibly one shot Katakuri.
- Zoro: No comments.
- Shiryu: Future Zoro opponent that can deal heavy damage to Garp in a single stab.
- Rayleigh: Counting him just for fun so Katakuri can be below even more people.
Who's weaker than Katakuri?
- Shiryu is lacking stuff to properly be put above him, but his fight and arc haven't come yet. We all know where that is heading.
- Sabo probably would lose despite having some stuff above him. FS makes up for those.
The rest are matchups beyond what FS can carry on its own.
0~2 / 8 : One of the weakest if not the weakest YC1.
- CoC doesn't make Katakuri stronger in a fight. You may as well list his dance skills.
- He absolutely doesn't have advanced armament hardening, he only has strong hardening. The Luffy that still had to learn the first form of advanced CoA had already matched Katakuri's CoA in G4 in WCI.
- Awakening makes him more versatile, but it's not a game changer like Luffy's awakening.
- His portrayal was already outdated after Wano before Oven brought it further down. Even without the Oven scene, things like his CoA were left in the dust.
- He only has FS on his side to not be considered strong. It's a very strong ability, but without it he'd be literal fodder to the other YC1.
What do the other have?
- Beckman: Has portrayal on his side to be the strongest original YC1.
- Mihawk: Yonko level.
- Sabo: The original poster of the thread is counting him as a YC1. I'll leave him up to you, but he was already YC1 before he got Ace's logia. Unlike Katakuri, he does have advanced CoA.
- Marco: Immortality, fire AoE and decent CoA.
- King: If I go into detail this will become Katakuri vs King thread #999, but King has everything above Katakuri except CoO. Katakuri wishes he had King's CoA. Katakuri would have a very hard time damaging speed mode King, while King has very strong and very wide fire AoE and the strength to possibly one shot Katakuri.
- Zoro: No comments.
- Shiryu: Future Zoro opponent that can deal heavy damage to Garp in a single stab.
- Rayleigh: Counting him just for fun so Katakuri can be below even more people.
Who's weaker than Katakuri?
- Shiryu is lacking stuff to properly be put above him, but his fight and arc haven't come yet. We all know where that is heading.
- Sabo probably would lose despite having some stuff above him. FS makes up for those.
The rest are matchups beyond what FS can carry on its own.
0~2 / 8 : One of the weakest if not the weakest YC1.
Not always. King wasn’t considerably stronger than Queen. Kaku wasn’t considerably stronger than Jabra. Kuroobi was stronger than Hachi. Absalom was stronger than zombie Ryuma
Mr 1 and Mr. 2 sure but that’s one time. It’s like saying Fujitora must be considerably stronger than Ryokugyu if Zoro and Sanji fight them which we know they aren’t.
Mr 1 and Mr. 2 sure but that’s one time. It’s like saying Fujitora must be considerably stronger than Ryokugyu if Zoro and Sanji fight them which we know they aren’t.
You could argue that but what arguments would you use? Do you have definite proof for him being above any others?
At the time of the fight with Luffy he was only stronger than Moria, and currently he's clearly been buffed but still nothing puts him above Doflamingo, Hancock or Kuma. He's being hard carried by his fans expectations.
King was considerably stronger than Queen, Kuroobi being stronger than Hatchan is questionable even with Zoro's nerf for that fight (Kuroobi had higher rank, because Hatchan was only a last minute employee as we learnt in FI, there's no statement to their strength), and Absalom was nowhere near as strong as zombie Ryuma (again, Absalom had higher rank simply because Ryuma was just a zombie, but he was a weakling. Absalom was also higher ranked than Oars).
The Mr 1 - Mr 2 pattern is there almost every big arc (King - Queen is the literal same pattern), and when it's not a whole tier of difference like in these cases, a point is still explicitly made about Zoro's opponent being stronger (like Kaku, and people keep forgetting douriki didn't even take into account techniques, powers or masteries, just raw base physical strength).
Yes, if Sanji kick's Crocodile's ass in the future that will not somehow elevate Crocodile to Mihawk.
At the time of the fight with Luffy he was only stronger than Moria, and currently he's clearly been buffed but still nothing puts him above Doflamingo, Hancock or Kuma. He's being hard carried by his fans expectations.
King was considerably stronger than Queen, Kuroobi being stronger than Hatchan is questionable even with Zoro's nerf for that fight (Kuroobi had higher rank, because Hatchan was only a last minute employee as we learnt in FI, there's no statement to their strength), and Absalom was nowhere near as strong as zombie Ryuma (again, Absalom had higher rank simply because Ryuma was just a zombie, but he was a weakling. Absalom was also higher ranked than Oars).
The Mr 1 - Mr 2 pattern is there almost every big arc (King - Queen is the literal same pattern), and when it's not a whole tier of difference like in these cases, a point is still explicitly made about Zoro's opponent being stronger (like Kaku, and people keep forgetting douriki didn't even take into account techniques, powers or masteries, just raw base physical strength).
Yes, if Sanji kick's Crocodile's ass in the future that will not somehow elevate Crocodile to Mihawk.
If king was considerably stronger than Queen, oda would’ve wrote it very differently and not have Marco and Zoro treat them as comparable forces.
Kuroobi had the higher bounty and position for a reason. He was stronger.
And yeah… jabra nor Kaku nor Luccis doriki accounted for their weapons (swords or claws) their techniques (4 sword style or tekkai kung fu) or masteries. But the biggest thing is that oda wrote them like that for a reason. It’s a manga for 14 year olds so oda was just being clear about the strength differences between cp9.
And no, Crocodile will get plenty of his own hype to show why he was called equal to prime Rayleigh in stampede.
The Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 thing was a single time.
Kuroobi had the higher bounty and position for a reason. He was stronger.
And yeah… jabra nor Kaku nor Luccis doriki accounted for their weapons (swords or claws) their techniques (4 sword style or tekkai kung fu) or masteries. But the biggest thing is that oda wrote them like that for a reason. It’s a manga for 14 year olds so oda was just being clear about the strength differences between cp9.
And no, Crocodile will get plenty of his own hype to show why he was called equal to prime Rayleigh in stampede.
The Mr. 1 and Mr. 2 thing was a single time.
Douglas bullet spent decades in prison growing weaker. The idea that he was still in his prime strength never made sense to me.
But using that to downplay where he was stated to be back in his prime is like saying prime Shiki couldn’t have been close to Roger despite their war canonically ending in a draw
But using that to downplay where he was stated to be back in his prime is like saying prime Shiki couldn’t have been close to Roger despite their war canonically ending in a draw