Speculations Kizaru won the fight against Luffy

#45
In WCI they said a million times that their goal was to escape. And they did.

What is their goal now I wonder?
But Saturn has to go down. It simply makes no sense to conclude the arc with Bonney chasing after Vegapunk for revenge. Realizing Vegapunk wasn't actually a bad guy. And then turn around and escape without Saturn losing and still the revenge plot goes on.
 
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Herrera95

#48
Yeah, except that didn't fucking happen, Einstein. If thats how you want to debate(i.e. stupidly) then Luffy could've killed Lucci while he was unconscious, so Luffy still won the fight.
No he couldn't because he turned into old man right when Lucci got unconscious.
 
#58
I am really worried about yonkos overall strength after this. Kaido was praised as world strongest pirate and he got defeated by G5 Luffy who didnt need any outside help during his G5 round.

Kizaru did prove himself really good . For example Kaido was getting pummeled by gear 4 snakeman and he even had to use future sight just to fight against him . Kizaru on the other hand did not even need future sight or top tier durability like Kaido , he just used his close quarter combat skills to outperform g4 snakeman.

Also worst thing is Kizaru was casual , he literally send his clones to fought G5 Luffy he did not think of him as huge threat, he focused on someone else.

Strongest yonko Kaido fought G5 Luffy and lost , meanwhile casual Kizaru did the same , he fought G5 Luffy and actually outlasted him . Worst of all is that he did not need awakening or Acoc to do this.

As of now portrayal is that casual Kizaru > Kaido . Yet this same Kaido was supposed to be strongest pirate which means :

Casual Kizaru > Kaido > other yonkos ( not including Luffy ) .

Cant even imagine power creep when at final war Luffy faces off Akainu .
 
#59
It’s inconclusive, but it is terrible how Oda treated Luffy.

I maintained from the start that it will be a difficult fight, but I expected it to be more even for both fighters.
Luffy is a top tier now and shouldn’t need outside help to get up on his own or get back into the game like Kizaru.

I thought the Luffy needing food bit was bad enough, but having him be carried away too is a bit much.
If it was Caribou, that means he just saved a Yonko’s life.
 
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