One Piece Chapter 1104 : Thanks Daddy

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This train of thought will inevitably backfire, sooner or later.
Luffy cant defeat both, that much is guaranteed. Heck, he cant defeat one without help...
So, if they both get defeated here, Luffy will miss out on one.
If none get defeated here, Luffy wont be the first to beat neither Admiral nor Gorosei.
He's hellbent on Luffy vs Kizaru even though Luffy's being built up to finish off Saturn instead.
Don't bother with the deluded
 
This train of thought will inevitably backfire, sooner or later.
Luffy cant defeat both, that much is guaranteed. Heck, he cant defeat one without help...
So, if they both get defeated here, Luffy will miss out on one.
If none get defeated here, Luffy wont be the first to beat neither Admiral nor Gorosei.
What if Kizaru has a change of heart, he seems to be struggling.
 

nik87

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Luffy went to help Zoro in his fight against Lucci
Can he put the cat down for good with Zori's help? :sanmoji:
What if Kizaru has a change of heart, he seems to be struggling.
I seriously hope not.
Enemies changing sides is just lazy writing.
At least before, it took a lot of time for defeated enemies to change side but like this, it's meh.
There is too much help on Strawhat's side for even Kizaru to switch... Saturn would literally be alone.
 
Can he put the cat down for good with Zori's help? :sanmoji:

I seriously hope not.
Enemies changing sides is just lazy writing.
At least before, it took a lot of time for defeated enemies to change side but like this, it's meh.
There is too much help on Strawhat's side for even Kizaru to switch... Saturn would literally be alone.
Sadly your're right. The only way I can see Kizaru going against his orders is if he dies or gets seriously wounded.
 
All the shit that happening this arc is a big incident in the OP world .
Now if it you don't think that should be the case nothing wrong with that but in OP world what happening is crazy news.
If someone punch the president of US which is what kuma did it would be on the news for weeks and talking for who knows how long .
That why i think people should be on the side of caution with this incident shocking the world .
 
This train of thought will inevitably backfire, sooner or later.
Luffy cant defeat both, that much is guaranteed. Heck, he cant defeat one without help...
So, if they both get defeated here, Luffy will miss out on one.
If none get defeated here, Luffy wont be the first to beat neither Admiral nor Gorosei.
And yet still the fact remains that Luffy's subordinates have never literally taken over a fight from an enemy Luffy has not defeated on his own.

I think its without question that one or both will be defeated this arc, and if thats the case, the cause of their downfall will almost certainly be Luffy.

This is why Ive stated that I expect Luffy to defeat an Admiral, and not necessarily the Gorosei, because yes it IS hard to believe Luffy could fight both. And yet, Oda still leaves the damn robot lingering....


If neither miraculous get defeated, then it doesnt matter, because by then Luffy will be fighting Akainu and Imu, stronger iterations of the people under them. The relevancy about the current arc where it happens, i.e.

If Luffy didnt defeat YCs at WCI, then it does not matter if Sanji or Zoro defeat them at Onigashima, because Luffy defeated a Yonko


Same logic here. If he doesnt defeat them, no one will. If they get defeated later by his subordinates, Luffy is fighting stronger people anyway.
 
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All the shit that happening this arc is a big incident in the OP world .
Now if it you don't think that should be the case nothing wrong with that but in OP world what happening is crazy news.
If someone punch the president of US which is what kuma did it would be on the news for weeks and talking for who knows how long .
That why i think people should be on the side of caution with this incident shocking the world .
If Biden had crazy regen and was a damn bug, then the punch wouldn't be a story at all.

Y'all are delusional if you think saturn at the very least isn't getting maimed hard/loosing some organs.
 

nik87

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And yet still the fact remains that Luffy's subordinates have never literally taken over a fight from an enemy Luffy has not defeated on his own.

I think its without question that one or both will be defeated this arc, and if thats the case, the cause of their downfall will almost certainly be Luffy.

This is why Ive stated that I expect Luffy to defeat an Admiral, and not necessarily the Gorosei, because yes it IS hard to believe Luffy could fight both. And yet, Oda still leaves the damn robot lingering....
Well, all nice and good but Saturn is the biggest scumbag of the arc and Luffy always gets pissed off by such.
He had a go vs Kizaru and achieved literally nothing but a forced stalling device... Before it, Kizaru was handling him without any trouble.
So, he is either against a good CQC fighter like Kizaru, who he cannot handle even when Kizaru doesnt put serious effort or he is against a guy with regeneration... Idk what match-up is worse for him, lol. Knowing Oda, nothing will happen and we will leave Egghead.

In that case, Luffy wont get to beat an Admiral or an Elder before other Strawhat members.
He will be chasing after Imu, yelling >Where is Vivi?! while his friends take on Admirals/Elders.
This has already happened with Luffy never getting to beat Enel's priests and Sanji literally took Satori from him.
We can give Luffy smol credit for holding onto Satori but that is it. It can only backfire if you think he has to beat both first.

It has also never happened that Luffy had no quarrel with a major enemy like it is the case with Kizaru.
 
This train of thought will inevitably backfire, sooner or later.
Luffy cant defeat both, that much is guaranteed. Heck, he cant defeat one without help...
So, if they both get defeated here, Luffy will miss out on one.
If none get defeated here, Luffy wont be the first to beat neither Admiral nor Gorosei.
I think sanji & zoro will fight kizaru
Jinbei & Robin will deal with Lucci
Franky will protect Kuma bonny and vegapunk
Luffy will fight Saturn
 

nik87

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I think sanji & zoro will fight kizaru
Jinbei & Robin will deal with Lucci
Franky will protect Kuma bonny and vegapunk
Luffy will fight Saturn
Sanji and Zoro team fight is not possible to write.
Jinbe can handle Lucci alone.
Luffy gasses out even vs guys without regeneration. Ancient Robot will help him probably.
 
Well, all nice and good but Saturn is the biggest scumbag of the arc and Luffy always gets pissed off by such.
He had a go vs Kizaru and achieved literally nothing but a forced stalling device... Before it, Kizaru was handling him without any trouble.
So, he is either against a good CQC fighter like Kizaru, who he cannot handle even when Kizaru doesnt put serious effort or he is against a guy with regeneration... Idk what match-up is worse for him, lol. Knowing Oda, nothing will happen and we will leave Egghead.

In that case, Luffy wont get to beat an Admiral or an Elder before other Strawhat members.
He will be chasing after Imu, yelling >Where is Vivi?! while his friends take on Admirals/Elders.
This has already happened with Luffy never getting to beat Enel's priests and Sanji literally took Satori from him.
We can give Luffy smol credit for holding onto Satori but that is it. It can only backfire if you think he has to beat both first.

It has also never happened that Luffy had no quarrel with a major enemy like it is the case with Kizaru.
See my edit in that post.

The fact of the matter is if Luffy doesnt defeat anyone this arc, no one will. And the following arcs where they do get defeated, he's already defeating their superiors at the same time.

So yes, IF an Admiral or a Gorosei were to fall this arc (or both), there is an extremely high chance it comes from Luffy because this is the Luffy show and thats how it works. IF they dont, then it doesnt matter who fights them later, because by then Luffy is fighting Akainu and Imu.

The logic I provided was if he didnt go to WCI or just didnt fight BMs YCs. Zoro and Sanji could have still fought King and Queen anyway because Luffy defeated Kaido, their superior
 
I've been rereading the manga recently and noticed something. Goofy didn't beat anyone in a 1 on 1 battle honestly post ts. It's just fucked up. 1) Go vs Goofy = goofy almost died, he had a blood transfusion. 2) Goofy ran away from Monet almost losing the fight. 3) Goofy ran away from doflomingo, despite Lo's huge help. The whole country was saving him, literally. 4) Nufi ran away from the cracker for 11 hours, nami fed him and removed the armor from the cracker. 5) Goofy ran away from Katakuri through the mirror and rested. 6) Gafi fell from one blow of Apu 7) Grufi rested 5 times against Kaido and 90% of the work was done by Zoro and the rest, gafi only finished off with the help of Niki and Joy boy. 8) Nufi couldn't scratch the mini king and ran away from him. 9) Grafi ran away from Lucci, who was fine, and naffi couldn't fight. 10) Duffy was given food and hidden from Kizaru, who got up earlier and goes to beat nakama. The worst and weakest gg in the jump.... And it's with someone else's god power......
Now I understand why many people like Zoro
 
I've been rereading the manga recently and noticed something. Goofy didn't beat anyone in a 1 on 1 battle honestly post ts. It's just fucked up. 1) Go vs Goofy = goofy almost died, he had a blood transfusion. 2) Goofy ran away from Monet almost losing the fight. 3) Goofy ran away from doflomingo, despite Lo's huge help. The whole country was saving him, literally. 4) Nufi ran away from the cracker for 11 hours, nami fed him and removed the armor from the cracker. 5) Goofy ran away from Katakuri through the mirror and rested. 6) Gafi fell from one blow of Apu 7) Grufi rested 5 times against Kaido and 90% of the work was done by Zoro and the rest, gafi only finished off with the help of Niki and Joy boy. 8) Nufi couldn't scratch the mini king and ran away from him. 9) Grafi ran away from Lucci, who was fine, and naffi couldn't fight. 10) Duffy was given food and hidden from Kizaru, who got up earlier and goes to beat nakama. The worst and weakest gg in the jump.... And it's with someone else's god power......
Now I understand why many people like Zoro
Didn't he beat Hody and Caesar 1v1
 

nik87

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See my edit in that post.

The fact of the matter is if Luffy doesnt defeat anyone this arc, no one will. And the following arcs where they do get defeated, he's already defeating their superiors at the same time.

So yes, IF an Admiral or a Gorosei were to fall this arc (or both), there is an extremely high chance it comes from Luffy because this is the Luffy show and thats how it works. IF they dont, then it doesnt matter who fights them later, because by then Luffy is fighting Akainu and Imu.

The logic I provided was if he didnt go to WCI or just didnt fight BMs YCs. Zoro and Sanji could have still fought King and Queen anyway because Luffy defeated Kaido, their superior
If he fights Akainu next arc, it is confirmed he isnt the first to beat an Admiral.
That pattern has ended. There is nothing for him to go higher than a Yonko.
His job is to fight the leader, even if the leader is weaker than the subordinate(Buggy and Mihawk).
Also, it is nice for him to fight the leaders but he always needs help. Would be quite a nice change if he wouldnt need it.
 
If the Buster Call only hits the lower level of Egghead, and the Mother Flame is on the upper level, the Labophase, the WG could still secure York, Punk Records, and the Mother Flame. It's if the Mother Flame is on the ground level where they'd have problems. Since the upper part of Egghead is placed on Island Cloud, it should be able to stay aflot even if the bottom section is wiped out.

Yeah, wish Vegapunk had just given us a straight answer about the Buccaneers, or at least some info about them.

Caribou THE GOAT saved Luffy, the Straw Hats are his only way off of Egghead right now.

I still think Fuji and Smoker are going to show up with Marines to try to save Vegapunk, causing a Marine Civil War, which will be the big incident.

Oda has made it very clear that Vegapunk is beloved to not just the public, but many Marines. Fujitora's desire to remove the Warlords was partially based on the Seraphim being able to replace them. Smoker is relying on Vegapunk to help save the Punk Hazard kids. Koby is fond of Vegapunk.

I wanted Dragon to show up but who the fuck knows what Oda wants to do with him at this point.
Dragon's too busy sitting on his ass, drinking the finest wine while looking East on Okama Island.
 
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