Speculations Kizaru won the fight against Luffy
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Hahah those were the rules, the first to get up on his feet and start attacking is the winner.
For now it is Kizaru and it will depend on how did Luffy disappear.
If he had help or fled to recover than it's Goofyover.
If Luffy comes back next chapter with a big attack then it s a draw.
However you want to turn it, Luffy did very badly against Kizaru.
For now it is Kizaru and it will depend on how did Luffy disappear.
If he had help or fled to recover than it's Goofyover.
If Luffy comes back next chapter with a big attack then it s a draw.
However you want to turn it, Luffy did very badly against Kizaru.
It’s a damn shame. Just because he’s needed help in the past doesn’t mean that it’s good for Oda to keep doing it.
It may be good for those who like to tease Yonko fans/those that just hate the Admirals in general, but it is not good for the story.
It’s supposedly the Final Saga of the story, and this is what happens to Luffy against another top tier that didn’t even go all out!?!
It may be good for those who like to tease Yonko fans/those that just hate the Admirals in general, but it is not good for the story.
It’s supposedly the Final Saga of the story, and this is what happens to Luffy against another top tier that didn’t even go all out!?!
I understand youre biased against the Yonko and must defend the Admirals honor at all cost but there are several things wrong with these arguments:
1- Conflicted doesnt mean not being serious about the task, while Kizaru is conflicted about killing Vegapunk it doesnt mean he wont do it. This chapter itself proves it, while he is sad about killing his friends he also suggested to Saturn to end this and to start a Buster Call.
2- Kizaru mostly ran out Luffys timer, yes I consider winning through that a victory but in my honest opinion it is not something you should brag about and or use against other Emperors who do not suffer from Luffys sudden time limit on G5. A limit that, mind you, didnt seem to exist in Wano where he was in a much much much worse state, literally almost dead, and he restarted his G5. But here he somehow cannot, I recall you yourself calling it a retcon in my other thread. So Kizaru is ''fighting'' ( If you want to call what happened a fight) a retonned G5 Luffy who somehow cant last 5 minutes in G5 before gassing out completely.
3- While you can argue that Kizaru wasnt going all out neither was Luffy, for the most part he wasnt trying to put Kizaru down at all costs like he was against Kaido. He merely wanted to keep him occupied or away until the Straw Hats escape. Heck he literally attempted to throw him away. He only really tried a serious attack with his WSG which seemingly immobilized Kizaru for a while. Now put any other Emperor in that same situation, in that they land a clean strong hit on Kizaru. They wont just deflate after that, there will be follow up.
Anyways to me its clear that both sides can and will do more but to use this fight to somehow downplay the OG Yonko is a bit silly to me.
Imo with his current showings Kizaru can push both Kaido and Shanks to very high diff.
He probably wins against Big Mom because she is a clumsy fighter and wont capitalize on landing a clean hit.
Do you agree or disagree?
I am open to a civil and actual discussion.
I am a fan of both admirals and yonko and have been defending the Admirals being relative to the Emperors as both sides of the same coin for years so you should know that I will not be biased whatsoever in having a real discussion with you bro.
1- Conflicted doesnt mean not being serious about the task, while Kizaru is conflicted about killing Vegapunk it doesnt mean he wont do it. This chapter itself proves it, while he is sad about killing his friends he also suggested to Saturn to end this and to start a Buster Call.
2- Kizaru mostly ran out Luffys timer, yes I consider winning through that a victory but in my honest opinion it is not something you should brag about and or use against other Emperors who do not suffer from Luffys sudden time limit on G5. A limit that, mind you, didnt seem to exist in Wano where he was in a much much much worse state, literally almost dead, and he restarted his G5. But here he somehow cannot, I recall you yourself calling it a retcon in my other thread. So Kizaru is ''fighting'' ( If you want to call what happened a fight) a retonned G5 Luffy who somehow cant last 5 minutes in G5 before gassing out completely.
3- While you can argue that Kizaru wasnt going all out neither was Luffy, for the most part he wasnt trying to put Kizaru down at all costs like he was against Kaido. He merely wanted to keep him occupied or away until the Straw Hats escape. Heck he literally attempted to throw him away. He only really tried a serious attack with his WSG which seemingly immobilized Kizaru for a while. Now put any other Emperor in that same situation, in that they land a clean strong hit on Kizaru. They wont just deflate after that, there will be follow up.
Anyways to me its clear that both sides can and will do more but to use this fight to somehow downplay the OG Yonko is a bit silly to me.
Imo with his current showings Kizaru can push both Kaido and Shanks to very high diff.
He probably wins against Big Mom because she is a clumsy fighter and wont capitalize on landing a clean hit.
Do you agree or disagree?
I am open to a civil and actual discussion.
I am a fan of both admirals and yonko and have been defending the Admirals being relative to the Emperors as both sides of the same coin for years so you should know that I will not be biased whatsoever in having a real discussion with you bro.
And yet nobody is agreeing with you about Kizaru vs Luffy happening again.
Seriously it's incredible how many endless arguments you get in with people.
Even ha001 was pointing out your agenda lol
And lol why are you lying? Most people were arguing Kuma would bomb or teleport the strawhats away.
The evidence how now made it clear the marines and Saturn lose.
Seriously it's incredible how many endless arguments you get in with people.
Even ha001 was pointing out your agenda lol
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And lol why are you lying? Most people were arguing Kuma would bomb or teleport the strawhats away.
The evidence how now made it clear the marines and Saturn lose.
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My "supporters" has nothing to do with my mindset on how I think the first Admiral will be tackled in the story. This isnt a popularity contest. What are you 5?
You cant even get over Kizaru getting up
You cant even get over Kizaru getting up
The evidence makes it obvious Luffy and Saturn will happen.
What more evidence do you need then
1. Bonney needing to figure out Luffy is Nika.
2. Ginny's death needing a resolution.
3. Kuma is clearly not beating Saturn.
4. Both Kuma and Bonney claim they want to be saved by Nika.
5. Everyone including Kizaru dancing to Nika's heartbeat.
I always ask these people what do they think this arc will conclude for Bonney's character?
Will she go from wanting revenge on VP for 500 chapters, get 0 closure and then turn around and want revenge on Saturn for another 300 chapters?
Or will Luffy defeat Saturn for her this arc and bring her revenge arc to a closure?