Questions & Mysteries Why did Kaido place Shanks alongside the 4 people who’ve defeated him?

Fujishiro

Love is a painful illusion
#81
We literally know for a fact that Kaido was defeated 7 times in the past. As I’ve already explained, Oden was literally shown giving Kaido an L, and Roger, WB, and Xebec very clearly did too.

What do you even gain from denying that Roger, WB, and Xebec defeated Kaido? They were the 3 strongest characters back then, so by denying that they gave Kaido his L’s, that means that some weaker characters than them handed Kaido his L’s. Kaido fans are so dumb that they end up inadvertently downplaying Kaido lol.
We dont know when Kaido was defeated and by whom, probably happened before he reached his prime else it would contradict his 1vs1 reputation.

So then we can posit that maybe Kaido challenged Xebec in his ship and lost, challenged WB in the rocks days and lost ? And then lost to Roger in God Valley?

I dont know bro.


I feel like we got context about Kaido's ''Captures'' in that he was willingly getting himself captured to get food and logding, so what stops some or most of his defeats to be from those captures?

Also nothing wrong with Kaido having lost to weaker characters then those 3 during his growth, its not like Luffy didnt lose to the likes of Alabasta croc multiple times and now here he is.
This is purely headcanon but instead of power, I always liked to think of it as a clockwise order of significant events in Kaido's history:

1) Xebec - First real encounter around 46 years ago at age 15. Joined the crew and saw his strength.
2) Roger - Between 46 - 38 years ago. Kaido implied in chapter 1096 at God Valley that he had a previous encounter with Roger.
3) Newgate - Either during their time on rocks or the years following their dissolution.
4) Oden - Gave him the scar 20 years ago (and lifetime PTSD).
5) Shanks - Right before Marineford when Shanks intercepted and some clash ensured.

Does this mean it's true? Well, I'm reading twopiece and it's confirmed there. :madmonk:
Why dont you post the panel before this one? The one that debunks your headcanon and that people refuse to aknowledge? The one where Kaido says that that list is a list of people capable of fighting him?
 
#82
We literally know for a fact that Kaido was defeated 7 times in the past. As I’ve already explained, Oden was literally shown giving Kaido an L, and Roger, WB, and Xebec very clearly did too.
Seven times when he was much weaker by nobody that's named, how many times has Luffy been defeated?

Oden never defeated Kaido, and he never even saw Kaido at more than a fraction of his power to begin with, no Hybrid, no Drunk and no Flaming Dragon.
 

Fujishiro

Love is a painful illusion
#83
Seven times when he was much weaker by nobody that's named, how many times has Luffy been defeated?

Oden never defeated Kaido, and he never even saw Kaido at more than a fraction of his power to begin with, no Hybrid, no Drunk and no Flaming Dragon.
Kaido was shown fighting and holding off an enraged and bloodlusted Oden in the castle just fine. Oden himself didnt know if he could beat him. Oden landed one clean hit on Dragon Kaido and people are acting as if he couldnt defend himself from the next one when he managed to get up and cover all that distance between them and club Oden in the span it took Oden to turn around and see fake momo.
 

WalnutTax

A man, my son 🌊
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#84
Why dont you post the panel before this one? The one that debunks your headcanon and that people refuse to aknowledge? The one where Kaido says that that list is a list of people capable of fighting him?
No worries, I’m well aware of that panel. Just was a fun thought to share even if it’s not true.
:myman:
 
#86
The Answer was given near the End of Kaidou vs Luffy
They are Five He believe were Candidates to be "Joy Boy"
Pirates who Kaidou thought could be the ones to change the World

This is why as soon as Kaidou got hurt by Luffy, He compared him to them
And near the End it was revealed that Kaidou believes whoever can Surpass him is probably Joy Boy

Roger Failed
Whitebeard Failed
Xebec Failed
Oden Failed

So who's Left? Shanks
And who Defeated Kaidou? Luffy
And who Rivals these Two? Blackbeard & Buggy

So Oda is clearly telling us that Roger, WB, Xebec & Oden were Joy Boy Candidates from Past Era
And now Current Candidates are Luffy, Shanks, Blackbeard & Buggy

And Ability that separates these Eight from Rest is Power to Influence & Attract others
It's Ability mentioned by Mihawk in Marineford, and clearly Shanks, Blackbeard & Buggy are Luffy's Rivals in this
They also Influence People around them as if They were Religious Leaders
 
#87
Kaido was shown fighting and holding off an enraged and bloodlusted Oden in the castle just fine. Oden himself didnt know if he could beat him. Oden landed one clean hit on Dragon Kaido and people are acting as if he couldnt defend himself from the next one when he managed to get up and cover all that distance between them and club Oden in the span it took Oden to turn around and see fake momo.
Exactly, people saying Oden beat Kaido might as well also say the Scabbards beat Kaido since they had him in the exact same condition Oden did.
 

Fujishiro

Love is a painful illusion
#90
The Answer was given near the End of Kaidou vs Luffy
They are Five He believe were Candidates to be "Joy Boy"
Pirates who Kaidou thought could be the ones to change the World

This is why as soon as Kaidou got hurt by Luffy, He compared him to them
And near the End it was revealed that Kaidou believes whoever can Surpass him is probably Joy Boy

Roger Failed
Whitebeard Failed
Xebec Failed
Oden Failed

So who's Left? Shanks
And who Defeated Kaidou? Luffy
And who Rivals these Two? Blackbeard & Buggy

So Oda is clearly telling us that Roger, WB, Xebec & Oden were Joy Boy Candidates from Past Era
And now Current Candidates are Luffy, Shanks, Blackbeard & Buggy

And Ability that separates these Eight from Rest is Power to Influence & Attract others
It's Ability mentioned by Mihawk in Marineford, and clearly Shanks, Blackbeard & Buggy are Luffy's Rivals in this
They also Influence People around them as if They were Religious Leaders


Luffy is Joyboy, nobody else.​
 
#96
I think it is safe to say that Xebec did beat Kaido's ass at some point. Maybe Kaido challenged Whitebeard during their time on the Rocks Pirates ship. Maybe Roger defeated Kaido during God Valley or sometime before or after.

Zero chance Shanks defeated Kaido during Marineford or beforehand and later Kaido went "no one can beat me" though lmfao
Krieg thought he was unbeatable even after Mihawk trashed his fleet, a villian thinking that they cannot lose isn't something new
 
#97
Krieg thought he was unbeatable even after Mihawk trashed his fleet, a villian thinking that they cannot lose isn't something new
Mihawk didn't beat Krieg though, and Kaido isn't Krieg, he already admitted that Joyboy would be able to defeat him, why would he lie about Shanks? Better yet, why would King still believe Kaido was the strongest? He went with Kaido to Marineford.
 
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