Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I was posting statistics about crime, how are facts far-right rhetoric?

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Defund the police was the dumbest movement created of all time.

Some other data: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/21533687211047943

even the left has bowed that it was indeed an awful movement

No. Only liberals/democrats.
The left is still demanding to defound and radically reform the police. Be it in USA or in Europe.

I'm not far right

Did not say you were. For me you are a conservative right now.

Unlike the biased fact-checkers of the internet.

But my vision could change...

I do fact check using both sides of the media

Meaning that you are exposing yourself to propaganda to check if things are true. Dangerous move.

I guess that makes me edgy, that I can't be told what to think.

Everyone can think and say what they want here. If Bob, Herrera or Nameless have proved something, is that everything, even toxic, cryptofascist, transphobic or sexist rethoric is allowed and enabled on this forum. So have a blast. Do what you want.

I'm just here as a reminder that some discourses are not normal. You won't like me.

Law enforcement is just like any other group in the world

No they are not. They are what stands between power and people. Their job is to protect the power's interest and the laws edicted by the power. They are the last line of defense of governments. If police forces falls or turn against government, the power falls.

There is a small percentage of bad apples

No. There is a systemic problem and a high percentage of bad behaviors.

 

[Zemmi]

Did you just tell me not to research facts for myself to look at all angles so I can make up my own mind?
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I already said I'm independent for the most part which leans conservative. Without a doubt there are systematic problems, I just believe you are wrong about what caused them and who created them.
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Also, I won't dislike you unless you are a white savior or a race profiteerer. I'm very open to hearing from all sides that is how people open their minds and learn, talking to people who think differently than them.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I forget, where are you from?

Not once have I ever seen cops in those pictures in full protective gear they have to use when they go into dangerous situations like riots. You will see that type of armor not only here in the US but anytime police officers have to enter a situation where harm to them might be high.

Law enforcement is just like any other group in the world. There is a small percentage of bad apples. No one hates bad cops more than everyday good cops.

The media brainwashed people by choosing what they show.

Here I am saying this as a person who was arrested more by the age of twenty than I care to admit.
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We were talking about male suicide and what is appealing to women about men. I saw a quote that reminded me why I always speak up for men and why I understand why all men regardless of race is moving to the extreme right, to fight against the far left that makes them out to be devils. The quote was: The first bunch of flowers most men will ever receive is at their funerals. It's in reference to this song.

Edit: Don't talk bad about Dax, he is my husband, despite him not knowing.

Edit Again: Don't tell Lil Wayne my other husband.

Germany

Imo I saw this meme decided to post here . Polizei looks same here during riots .

 

[Logiko]

Did you just tell me not to research facts for myself to look at all angles so I can make up my own mind?

"Researching fact for ourself" doesn't mean checking what propagandist and their adversaries are saying. Its checking what researchers, the current state of scientific consensus, data reports and ground actors are saying on the matters.

Exposing yourself to propanda just for the sake of checking "other people's point of view" just put yourself in danger of being radicalized by said propaganda. This is a dangerous move that can only be done effectively if you have the adequat critical thinking training to deconstruct the tools used in the propanda. Like I said previously, this is not something that is accesssible just because you think you can do it.

That's why I say: Careful, this is a dangerous move.

Without a doubt there are systematic problems, I just believe you are wrong about what caused them and who created them.

I'm basing my argumentation on the conclusions of scientific researches and scientific consensus regarding social issues. If you tell me that I'm wrong about the causes behind those systemic problems you are therefore therefore denying the legitimacy of the conclusion of the reasearches on the subject be it historical, sociological or psychological.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I'm just reminding you what it means in regard to your potential vision of science.

Also, I won't dislike you unless you are a white savior or a race profiteerer.

If you keep saying "conservatist" things and if you stay here, you can expect be to find me in your way quite often. The more conservative things you will say, the more I will target the underlying values of your discourse. I'm therefore predicting the fact that you will see me as a shard in the foot in the near future just like the majority of the """conservative""" and antiwoke posters here.

But I would gladly love to be proven wrong for once.

 

[Herrera95]

I already said I'm independent for the most part which leans conservative. Without a doubt there are systematic problems, I just believe you are wrong about what caused them and who created them.

Democrats and leftists in general created them.

Also, I won't dislike you unless you are a white savior or a race profiteerer. I'm very open to hearing from all sides that is how people open their minds and learn, talking to people who think differently than them.

He is white savior and race profiteerer.

 

[Zenos7]

Its the vision that believe that following the scientific method will be the way to regulate society the best.

This is a depolitization of the practice of sciences

These two statements kinda dont work together
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Not when the point is to denounce the path of the individual. I do not intend to attack his argumentation but specifically the path Dawkins and his overall ideology.

Yes yes you dont like logic, gotcha
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@Logiko I was posting statistics about crime, how are facts far-right rhetoric?

Because they are inconvenient to his ideology, i guess.

 

[Uncle Van]

Did you just tell me not to research facts for myself to look at all angles so I can make up my own mind?
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I already said I'm independent for the most part which leans conservative. Without a doubt there are systematic problems, I just believe you are wrong about what caused them and who created them.
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Also, I won't dislike you unless you are a white savior or a race profiteerer. I'm very open to hearing from all sides that is how people open their minds and learn, talking to people who think differently than them.

To prevent you from wasting more time, he is indeed a self proclaimed savior. In the nakama thread, he got banned multiple times for making it political, calling people right wing, sexist, misogynistic and racist for not liking Carrot or thinking she'll be a SH. With every ban, he claimed mods are trying to silence the only person willing to stand up to systematic issues. He even claimed people don't like Carrot because of her fur and that it's similar to the real life oppression of black people.

Of course you can see the posts for yourself jn the nakama thread.

 

[Zenos7]

He even claimed people don't like Carrot because of her fur and that it's similar to the real life oppression of black people.

What the fuck? He is even more nuts than i imagined then

 

[Zemmi]

To prevent you from wasting more time, he is indeed a self proclaimed savior. In the nakama thread, he got banned multiple times for making it political, calling people right wing, sexist, misogynistic and racist for not liking Carrot or thinking she'll be a SH. With every ban, he claimed mods are trying to silence the only person willing to stand up to systematic issues. He even claimed people don't like Carrot because of her fur and that it's similar to the real life oppression of black people.

Of course you can see the posts for yourself jn the nakama thread.

I'm good at ignoring all the extreme views. I can tell the difference between extreme and rational thoughts. That's why I said he won't bother me.

Considering selling white Savoir tear cups. I think there is a market for it.
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What the fuck? He is even more nuts than i imagined then

My mom watches one piece, and I just told her that. She got this disgusted look on her face and said people are stupid. I am pretty sure she thinks I'm lying about it. Because I'm good at making up crazy things and telling her they are true
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[NAMELESS]

To prevent you from wasting more time, he is indeed a self proclaimed savior. In the nakama thread, he got banned multiple times for making it political, calling people right wing, sexist, misogynistic and racist for not liking Carrot or thinking she'll be a SH. With every ban, he claimed mods are trying to silence the only person willing to stand up to systematic issues. He even claimed people don't like Carrot because of her fur and that it's similar to the real life oppression of black people.

Of course you can see the posts for yourself jn the nakama thread.

I saw Zemmi taking c4n seriously and was about to post something. thnx for saving my time.
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I'm good at ignoring all the extreme views. I can tell the difference between extreme and rational thoughts. That's why I said he won't bother me.

Considering selling white Savoir tear cups. I think there is a market for it.
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My mom watches one piece, and I just told her that. She got this disgusted look on her face and said people are stupid. I am pretty sure she thinks I'm lying about it. Because I'm good at making up crazy things and telling her they are true
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you have the coolest and mom and dad. Anime and guns :)
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Cops in USA you think this image is correct ??

Police look like stormtroopers when they are dressed in riot gear.

 

[Zemmi]

I saw Zemmi taking c4n seriously and was about to post something. thnx for saving my time.
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you have the coolest and mom and dad. Anime and guns :)

She's funny. She enjoys wearing her one-piece shirt when she goes shopping and people always stop her to talk about it and act surprised when she watches it. She's in her early 60s.

 

[NAMELESS]

She's funny. She enjoys wearing her one-piece shirt when she goes shopping and people always stop her to talk about it and act surprised when she watches it. She's in her early 60s.

My mom only watch novelas and thinks i'm weird for watching japanese cartoons. She will never know the glory of Death Note and Shingeki No Kyojin. Its her loss.
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Passive income I.E. Money working for you actively when you're not awake etc... kek
I really should invest myself. It's really the only way to profit nowadays, working a 40 hour job isn't going to get you anywhere in life.

Well,Bogard has a passive income going on here with this forum. I believe low costs business online are a form of investment too. I see investments as a form of getting rich btw,just a way to protect money from inflation and thiefs(gov).
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@Logiko I guess that makes me edgy, that I can't be told what to think.

unless we use reverse psychology on you
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"Researching fact for ourself" doesn't mean checking what propagandist and their adversaries are saying. Its checking what researchers, the current state of scientific consensus, data reports and ground actors are saying on the matters.

Exposing yourself to propanda just for the sake of checking "other people's point of view" just put yourself in danger of being radicalized by said propaganda. This is a dangerous move that can only be done effectively if you have the adequat critical thinking training to deconstruct the tools used in the propanda. Like I said previously, this is not something that is accesssible just because you think you can do it.

That's why I say: Careful, this is a dangerous move.


I'm basing my argumentation on the conclusions of scientific researches and scientific consensus regarding social issues. If you tell me that I'm wrong about the causes behind those systemic problems you are therefore therefore denying the legitimacy of the conclusion of the reasearches on the subject be it historical, sociological or psychological.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, I'm just reminding you what it means in regard to your potential vision of science.


If you keep saying "conservatist" things and if you stay here, you can expect be to find me in your way quite often. The more conservative things you will say, the more I will target the underlying values of your discourse. I'm therefore predicting the fact that you will see me as a shard in the foot in the near future just like the majority of the """conservative""" and antiwoke posters here.

But I would gladly love to be proven wrong for once.

Dude,you are more like fly in the ear. Nobody takes you seriously. You convinced 0 people. I get that you believe your stuff,but you are detached from reality.

 

[Logiko]

These two statements kinda dont work together

Indeed. You perfectly nailing the constatation here!
Scientism as it is promoted by the New atheism movement comes from the vision that science should not be politic and that helping society through science is not a political act.

That's a clear paradoxal vision that missunderstand both what science and politic are. Science needs to be politic and helping society through science is a political vision.

Yes yes you dont like logic, gotcha

It is logic here. Sometimes attacking the person and their path IS the logical thing to do to make people understand how the path of this person can lead to other people following the same path.

Because they are inconvenient to his ideology, i guess.

I don't remember denying the number. Do you ?

In the nakama thread, he got banned multiple times for making it political, calling people right wing, sexist, misogynistic and racist for not liking Carrot or thinking she'll be a SH.

Actually you are once again lying and twisting history here. But that's not the first time. I did make the Nakama thread political, but not because of Carrot.

I made it political because I was analysing the harrassment I was facing as a symptom of far right and conservative/toxic political ideologies. A dychotomy of idea that was the representation of the harrassement all Carrot fan were facing at the time from toxic Yamato fan. Fans that were only interested in one thing : virilist notions (you could in fact see at the end of the YamatoForNakama train some of those people spit on Yamato's personnality).

This was in reality a clash of values between two fanbase: One that was progressive and the other that was (mostly) toxic/transphobic/virilist. It was therefore a political conflict. Something that I was not wrong about as those same behavior can be observed on this thread with the behaviors of far right poster.

Also, before you twist what I said about Carrot once again (because I know you love to lie about this subject):
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I actually never said that not liking Carrot was the same as denying civil rights to african american or that black poster were racists.

What I actually said is that the Mink were just like anyother non human races in One Piece oppressed by the gov. And that therefore denigrating and deligitimizing this race (as it was done in this thread multiple times) based on the fact that they are partanimals was an act of legitimation of the act of the oppressive gov and therefore an act of racism.

It might be a fictive race, the way we treat and see fictionnal characters will be most of the time similar with the way we see and treat real people. Even when this is a black person deligitimizing and denigrating a fictional race.

The reality is that I was banned for denouncing the toxicity of other and the fact that the staff was letting this toxicity and harrasment strive.

Turns out... this harrasment phenomenon was not entirely confined to the Nakama thread but is a constant creed in some posters of this forum. A creed that is enabled by some moderators here and a upper staff that refuses to take responsibilities.

What the fuck? He is even more nuts than i imagined then

Van is deforming the reality. I didn't mention the fur, I mentionned the contextual and fictionnal oppression of the character is the story and the behavior of Yamato fan who were using the same arguments as those oppressor in this world to talk and deligitimate Carrot and her defensor.

In short using racist rethoric to deligitimate a character.

I can tell the difference between extreme and rational thoughts.

If you are indeed capable of that. We might have very interesting conversations.

Dude,you are more like fly in the ear. Nobody takes you seriously. You convinced 0 people. I get that you believe your stuff,but you are detached from reality.

1. The point is not to convince you. You are mostly lost causes. The point is to make potential more progressive people not give up this thread if they come around. The goal is to show them that there is a contradiction to your bigotry.

2. When you are denying science/scientific researches, you don't get to tell me that I'm detached from reality mate.

 

[NAMELESS]

Define scientism.

I didnt quote dawkins on moral issues. I quoted him on science.

And the statement stands regardless. Attacking the character instead of the argument is still a fallacy. And your attack of his character was also fallacious.
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Ctrl + F
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Thats kinda what we have in germany and its not communism
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#smokeweedeveryday

Taking away individual freedoms is a staple in authoritarian regimes. It might not be communism,but they are still they taking over the parents rights to teach their kids. We don't live in Sparta anymore,its not the state that owns kids.
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Indeed. You perfectly nailing the constatation here!
Scientism as it is promoted by the New atheism movement comes from the vision that science should not be politic and that helping society through science is not a political act.

That's a clear paradoxal vision that missunderstand both what science and politic are. Science needs to be politic and helping society through science is a political vision.




It is logic here. Sometimes attacking the person and their path IS the logical thing to do to make people understand how the path of this person can lead to other people following the same path.



I don't remember denying the number. Do you ?



Actually you are once again lying and twisting history here. But that's not the first time. I did make the Nakama thread political, but not because of Carrot.

I made it political because I was analysing the harrassment I was facing as a symptom of far right and conservative/toxic political ideologies. A dychotomy of idea that was the representation of the harrassement all Carrot fan were facing at the time from toxic Yamato fan. Fans that were only interested in one thing : virilist notions (you could in fact see at the end of the YamatoForNakama train see some of those people spit on Yamato's personnality).

This was in reality a clash of values between two fanbase: One that was progressive and the other that was (mostly) toxic/transphobic/virilist. It was therefore a political conflict. Something that I was not wrong about as those same behavior can be observed on this thread with the behaviors of far right poster.

Also, before you twist what I said about Carrot once again (because I know you love to lie about this subject):
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The reality is that I was banned for denouncing the toxicity of other and the fact that the staff was letting this toxicity and harrasment strive.

Turns out... this harrasment phenomenon was not entirely confined to the Nakama thread but is a constant creed in some posters of this forum. A creed that is enabled by some moderators here and a upper staff that refuses to take responsibilities.



Van is deforming the reality. I didn't mention the fur, I mentionned the contextual and fictionnal oppression of the character is the story and the behavior of Yamato fan who were using the same arguments as those oppressor in this world to talk and deligitimate Carrot and her defensor.

In short using racist rethoric to deligitimate a character.


If you are indeed capable of that. We might have very interesting conversations.



1. The point is not to convince you. You are mostly lost causes. The point is to make potential more progressive people not give up this thread if they come around. The goal is to show them that there is a contradiction to your bigotry.

2. When you are denying science/scientific researches, you don't get to tell me that I'm detached from reality mate.

Literally nobody reads this shit. I get lazy reading your posts. Imagine going through 1.6k pages of bullshit and shit posts. You are making this meme of a thread to seriously.

 

[Logiko]

It might not be communism,but they are still they taking over the parents rights to teach their kids.

If you don't want to live a society with other people and therefore understand that you need a common education to survive.. you can still go take a look around the sahara desert. Not sure that you will strive there tho..

Literally nobody reads this shit. I get lazy reading your posts. Imagine going through 1.5k pages of bullshit and shit posts. You are making this meme of a thread to seriously.

And yet you keep replying. One week ago you were telling me that you are choosing to ignore my post.

Well... I guess even you can evolve. A few more years and you might even become progressist.

 

[Zemmi]

Taking away individual freedoms is a staple in authoritarian regimes. It might not be communism,but they are still they taking over the parents rights to teach their kids. We don't live in Sparta anymore,its not the state that owns kids.
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Literally nobody reads this shit. I get lazy reading your posts. Imagine going through 1.6k pages of bullshit and shit posts. You are making this meme of a thread to seriously.

The best part of living in the South is most schools stay out of parents' business and would do nothing behind their backs.

 

[NAMELESS]

If you don't want to live a society with other people and therefore understand that you need a common education to survive.. you can still go take a look around the sahara desert. Not sure that you will strive there tho..



And yet you keep replying. One week ago you were telling me that you are choosing to ignore my post.

Well... I guess even you can evolve. A few more years and you might even become progressist.

For the most part,i do ignore you. Im replying because i'm bored. Common education to survive?Lmfao. How is teaching people math,physics and stuff making them more sociable and civillized? This is bullshido. A few hundred years ago,families educated their kids and civillization was still around and doing fine.
School nowadays serves the purpose of teaching you shit to get into college(so they can be in debt alter) and brain washing kids into being woke. But of course,you love that.
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The best part of living in the South is most schools stay out of parents' business and would do nothing behind their backs.

I wish we had this freedom around here. The average school is pretty bad at teaching grammar,math,sciences and stuff.But its Harvard level when it comes into making a commie/wokie out of a kid. I would nuke most colleges and schools around here if i was a dictator,they are literally detrimental to society.

 

[Zemmi]

For the most part,i do ignore you. Im replying because i'm bored. Common education to survive?Lmfao. How is teaching people math,physics and stuff making them more sociable and civillized? This is bullshido. A few hundred years ago,families educated their kids and civillization was still around and doing fine. School nowadays surives the purpose of teaching you shit to get into college(so they can be in debt alter) and brain washing kids into being woke. But of course,you love that.
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I wish we had this freedom around here. The average school is pretty bad at teaching grammar,math,sciences and stuff,but its Harvard level when it comes into making a commie/wokie out of a kid. I would nuke most colleges and schools around here if i was a dicatator,they are literally detrimental to society.

Something I appreciate is here we can send our kids to any school we want to as long as we sign a paper that says we are responsible for getting them there and home each day. So if I don't like one school's method I'm free to pick any other school I want.

 

[Adam-san]

Why didn't Britain and France declare war on the Soviet Union when it invaded Poland after Germany during World War II?

 

[NAMELESS]

Something I appreciate is here we can send our kids to any school we want to as long as we sign a paper that says we are responsible for getting them there and home each day. So if I don't like one school's method I'm free to pick any other school I want.

We theoretically you can choose any school here,but they are mostly the same. The federal government controls what everyone studys and most teachers get infected with the cultural marxism virus in college. I literally dreamt of punching a geography teacher in the mouth once. The bastard tried to bullied 15 year old me in front of the girl i liked. What a pig.
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Why didn't Britain and France declare war on the Soviet Union when it invaded Poland after Germany during World War II?

Because mother Russia invades you and not the other way around(read this in fpsrussia's voice).