Oh, oops. I'm mostly trusting Profs read on Ratchet, + I think that Ratchet had a solid reaction to Orwellions claim in that they didn't immediently want to pile on Orwellion which brings needless attention + they have mostly the same reads as me, I also think that them defending Mango is good. They could be hostile indie with a wincondition tied to Mango but they aren't factional either I don't think, they're just bringing to much attention to themselves in sitautions like this to be factional yeah.