General & Others Why did my fellow Zoro fans delude themselves so much about him beating Kizaru this arc?

[Paperchampion23]

Dude...

Whole Cake Island is a RESCUE arc not Escape arc.

Then theres no such thing as an escape arc, just a fanmade definition for Sabaody because the crew was too weak to do anything. Egghead isnt Sabaody. Its literally the opposite of Sabaody with the same characters.

Edit: Bro you still use part of WCI to define an escape segment what are you saying lmao

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Call it delusion, fanboysm, hubris or whatever, they always end up in the same place.

They use some extremely perverted mental gymnastics, like Zoro not needing to go all out while his friends lifes are on the line, making Zoro look like a psychopath to justify their mental anguish.

Remember when they were shitting on Luffy the "condom" for not taking the fights seriously and how Zorocci would never do such a thing, instead slicing and dicing Kizaru and Saturn in one blow? Nah, forget that. Zoro's allowed to have "fun" with Lucci to keep the agenda going.

 

[worstfan00]

Latrines and their 3 brain cells are unable to understand why Zoro defeating Kizaru is the most logical conclusion that a sane reader could take.

It's not about downplaying Kizaru or overhyping Zoro, it's about Zoro surpassing Kizaru before he reaches Mihawk's level and him cutting even light. Zoro always faces the 2nd strongest opponent and Luffy is facing Saturn who is > Kizaru (you can't deny that anymore).

In terms of strength, the arc villains rank as follow: Saturn > Kizaru > Lucci (Luffy > Zoro > Sanji).

Sanji stopped Kizaru's laser and it seems that he will face Kizaru temporarily.
Sanji will fight Kizaru who will be a good match up for him in terms of speed but it's not his main fight.
Zoro is currently facing Lucci but he is stalling him and not taking him seriously (2 swords, no bandana...).
Jinbe went to get Zoro so it means the fight will be interrupted.

Zoro stalling Lucci is reflecting that this fight is not his primary fight.

Sanji and Zoro will switch opponents like they did in Wano (Sanji faced King then faced Queen).
Sanji is a better matchup for Lucci than Zoro (leg vs leg, better durability and exoskeleton).
Zoro is a better matchup for Kizaru than Sanji (Kizaru has been mainly fighting with his light sword).

Zoro will get his moment against Kizaru, that's what the whole arc is setting up.
Zoro will defeat Kizaru in Egghead, which will mirror Kizaru knocking Zoro out in Sabaody.
Zoro the "King of Hell" will clash with Kizaru's lightsword, like Rayleigh the "Silver King" in Sabaody.

Zoro will cut "light".

Zoro fighting Kizaru goes even beyond that. Zoro has to channel his energy to cut light and that makes him more likely to get black blade in the future. Zoro can't just go and land an attack like "Divine Departure" because the cut is not clean and it will not cut light, it will only cut Kizaru. So, he has to learn how to channel that blade energy to make a clean cut on light.

Kizaru's awakening may make him fuse with the light element and him becoming literally light. Zoro may need to learn how to cut light, like Sanji managed to stop a laser that was pure light. That will be the challenge.

@mly90 @HA001 @GUI VI @Roronoa-sama @ConquistadoR @Cruxroux @ZoroMazino @Peroroncino

You do you though, keep doing this circle jerking that you call "admiral agenda" and keep calling the sane readers who bring up better arguments than you guys do "deluded".

When that happens, we will be there. @mly90 and I will be there, I can guarantee you and I strongly advise you to read my avi.

Like @mly90 said: "Toxicity is reaching maximum level in the coming weeks. I foresee a lot of people running away deactivating 🤣"

It's just not going to happen because Zoro has nothing to prove during this arc. Sanji still has everything to prove, all his power which is based on science finds all its meaning in egghead + Sanji can count on Luffy at his side

"Zoro must turn off the light." ?? What's the point ? he already showed his AP vs kaido but now you want him to know how to cut "light"? it's souds so stupid bro you are lying to yourself and should enjoy the fight against lucci and respect him (yc1+)

It's just not his arc, Wano was and Elbaf why not

 

[Pringles]

It's just not going to happen because Zoro has nothing to prove during this arc. Sanji still has everything to prove, all his power which is based on science finds all its meaning in egghead + Sanji can count on Luffy at his side

"Zoro must turn off the light." ?? What's the point ? he already showed his AP vs kaido but now you want him to know how to cut "light"? it's souds so stupid bro you are lying to yourself and should enjoy the fight against lucci and respect him (yc1+)

It's just not his arc, Wano was and Elbaf why not

Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest, you can't deny that lil bro

Read my avi and stop crying

 

[AverageNamiEnjoyer]

Proving yourself right

I am not Shanks fan.
I just know the truth

 

[Redboy776]

We want zoro vs kiz (which can still happen) but so far got nika one tap kiz with white stars (low tier move) which is def weaker than dragon damnation and sanjino the number 4 of the strawhats making kizaru shit himself indirectly hyping zoro the yonko n2 who is massively far stronger than sanjino even without advcoc.

 

[ZenZu]

What moment? He already blocked a laser beam in chapter 1106 and nobody reacted to that. I mean, I liked chapter 1107 and Sanji was cool but let's not act like tables have really turned. Nothing actually happened yet. This was just the umpteenth set up chapter

Kizaru unbothered by all the top tiers and even G5 Luffy, and it was Sanji who made him react like he saw a ghost and shit his pants.

Nobody could have predicted this. Sanji damaging Kizaru would mean less than this, we saw Jozu damage Kuzan before but to make the most unbothered character in the entire series react like that is damn near out of pocket. Kizaru hardly took G5 seriously. Sanji can sit the rest of the arc out and I still think Oda glazed him too much for that 1 panel alone. Almost looks like a fanart meme drawn by a Sanji fan.

 

[worstfan00]

Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest, you can't deny that lil bro

Read my avi and stop crying

"he has to cut light" bro it looks like a theory from an 8 year old kid, your arguments to justify a zoro vs kizaru are ridiculous

"Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest, you can't deny that lil bro " I can deny that because Zoro has several times faced a unique opponent who was not the 2nd most powerful character present on an island (ex : Pica, Money, King ..).

You pretend that Sanji cant and will never have a better feat than zoro but all the arguments to justify the logic behind Kizaru vs Sanji / Luffy have already been given.

You're the only one crying about what's happening now and it's not what you expected

As I said enjoy the fight against lucci

 

[JoNdule]

Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest, you can't deny that lil bro

Read my avi and stop crying

There's no switching up matchups

Sanji isn't fighting Lucci just because you want it for your agenda

This isn't Wano !
Also Zoro will never fight an opponent that's much above Sanji’s opponent in an arc as main fight !

 

[nik87]

Of course there was no way Oda would have Zoro beat an Admiral right now when he still has to beat SHIRYU of the stinky piss

Because he wanted Sanjino to beat an Admiral instead of Zoro?

 

[MonsterZoro]

Because he wanted Sanjino to beat an Admiral instead of Zoro?

zoro already got roof top and king are you not happy with these?

 

[nik87]

zoro already got roof top and king are you not happy with these?

I am never happy as long as Zoro didnt clap everyone.
I do hope for Sanjino to clap a lot of stronger people too?

 

[Herrera95]

Then theres no such thing as an escape arc, just a fanmade definition for Sabaody because the crew was too weak to do anything. Egghead isnt Sabaody. Its literally the opposite of Sabaody with the same characters.

Edit: Bro you still use part of WCI to define an escape segment what are you saying lmao

Why the hell are you ignoring Enies Lobby in first place?

Rescue arc is to beat up the right people, rescue who you have to rescue and fucking escape.

Enies Lobby we beat up CP-9 rescued Robin and escape.

WCI we beat up Cracker, Katakuri, some random from Big Mom army and escape.

We didn't beat up Buster call at Enies Lobby. We didn't beat up Big Mom at WCI.

Rescue arcs starts with us already knowing it is a rescue arc.

Escape arcs starts without we knowing it will be an escape arc (otherwise we wouldn't have a reason to escape).

Both Sabaody and Egghead starts as any other arc until the situation got so fucked up we realized there was no other way but escape from there.

Another examples would be Impel Down (escape) and Marineford (rescue).

Impel Down we are not beating Magellan (only Teach crew did). Marineford we are beating who gets in the way to rescue Ace but we don't have to beat Admirals, Garp, Sengoku, Shichibukai...

 

[MonsterZoro]

I am never happy as long as Zoro didnt clap everyone.
I do hope for Sanjino to clap a lot of stronger people too?

change that signature first

 

[nik87]

change that signature first

The signature is goated.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Why the hell are you ignoring Enies Lobby in first place?

Rescue arc is to beat up the right people, rescue who you have to rescue and fucking escape.

Enies Lobby we beat up CP-9 rescued Robin and escape.

WCI we beat up Cracker, Katakuri, some random from Big Mom army and escape.

We didn't beat up Buster call at Enies Lobby. We didn't beat up Big Mom at WCI.

Rescue arcs starts with us already knowing it is a rescue arc.

Escape arcs starts without we knowing it will be an escape arc (otherwise we wouldn't have a reason to escape).

Both Sabaody and Egghead starts as any other arc until the situation got so fucked up we realized there was no other way but escape from there.

Another examples would be Impel Down (escape) and Marineford (rescue).

Impel Down we are not beating Magellan (only Teach crew did). Marineford we are beating who gets in the way to rescue Ace but we don't have to beat Admirals, Garp, Sengoku, Shichibukai...

Lerrera, you yourself called WCI an escape arc here and referenced said escape without showing Katakuri losing lmao

Escape

By your own definition, they are "rescuing" Bonney, Vegapunk and Kuma, same how they rescued Robin, Sanji etc lmao

This next year is going to be tough for you. Kizaru losing and Elbaf next? Woof

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Kizaru unbothered by all the top tiers and even G5 Luffy, and it was Sanji who made him react like he saw a ghost and shit his pants.

Nobody could have predicted this. Sanji damaging Kizaru would mean less than this, we saw Jozu damage Kuzan before but to make the most unbothered character in the entire series react like that is damn near out of pocket. Kizaru hardly took G5 seriously. Sanji can sit the rest of the arc out and I still think Oda glazed him too much for that 1 panel alone. Almost looks like a fanart meme drawn by a Sanji fan.

Word, and the fact that he is casually trash talking an admiral is insane. Goes to show the growth the whole crew has undergone. Sanji trash talking Kizaru is similar to that Jinbei scene with Big Mom where he resist her hocus-pocus.

It was a good moment by Oda. I hope the giants pacifista remove the danger of the buster call and create their own blockade so that the monster trio can fight to their hearts content against Kizaru Lucci and Sartun.

 

[Herrera95]

Lerrera, you yourself called WCI an escape arc here and referenced said escape without showing Katakuri losing lmao



By your own definition, they are "rescuing" Bonney, Vegapunk and Kuma, same how they rescued Robin, Sanji etc lmao

This next year is going to be tough for you. Kizaru losing and Elbaf next? Woof

Can you fucking read?

Rescue arc consisting and saying you will rescue someone. Doing the said rescue. And then fucking leaving. Ennies Lobby was the same.

There is no rescue in Egghead. There is no rescue in Sabaody.

 

[MegaSpider]

Funny thing is how much of a burden Zoro would be here if he were to join the main fight. He doesn't have the speed to hit Kizaru, he can't fly, and he can't block lasers so he can't protect Vegapunk either. He also doesn't know Saturn's abilities and would just get paralyzed if he showed up.

This is a case of a bad matchup for Zoro.

 

[Herrera95]

Word, and the fact that he is casually trash talking an admiral is insane. Goes to show the growth the whole crew has undergone. Sanji trash talking Kizaru is similar to that Jinbei scene with Big Mom where he resist her hocus-pocus.

It was a good moment by Oda. I hope the giants pacifista remove the danger of the buster call and create their own blockade so that the monster trio can fight to their hearts content against Kizaru Lucci and Sartun.

There is no growth in that.

Jinbei calling Big Mom a mere Yonko and Luffy was a one-shottable Supernova isn't growth. It is bad writting. Also I wonder if he forget that Whitebeard that he loved was also a mere Yonko. And if he forget how much Big Mom helped Fishmen Island after Whitebeard was gone.

It is different from Sanji trash talking Kizaru since he actually can do something at least to stall him (although we yet to see how he deals in a real fight with Kizaru).

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Funny thing is how much of a burden Zoro would be here if he were to join the main fight. He doesn't have the speed to hit Kizaru, he can't fly, and he can't block lasers so he can't protect Vegapunk either. He also doesn't know Saturn's abilities and would just get paralyzed if he showed up.

This is a case of a bad matchup for Zoro.

He reacted to King flames off speed. He is faster than Sanji or Luffy. He is jumping much higher since KoH mode and also learned a sword technique that can push him up middle air. Maybe he can block lasers. Maybe he doesn't gets paralyzed by Saturn. Luffy surely didn't.