Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1108 Spoilers Discussion

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How can you say he'd be equal with nothing to prove that? I understand you're a Lucci fana and Lucci is without a doubt YC1 level but let's no delude ourselves just because Luffy easily beat Lucci in Gear 5 doesn't mean he can't beat him high/mid diff in Gear 4.

Gear 4 AdvCoC Luffy > Current Zoro >= Current Lucci
But that is the problem, Luffy did not easily beat Lucci in his Gear 5, in fact he did not beat him at all. Lucci did immensly well for facing and fighting Gear 5 for his first time, even having an equal clash blowing each other away! (edit: dont forget how Kaido did in his first encounter with gear 5)

But since the moment Lucci focused in killing Sentomaru, it was no 1v1 fight anymore, but Lucci trying to kill Sentomaru and Luffy butting in from the side trying to protect Sento. Lucci even managed to dodge one of the attacks.

At the end Lucci was far from defeated and Luffy escaped for other reasons (letting Sentomaru whom he tried to protect even behind him). During the entire encounter Lucci did not use a single named attack on Luffy - the one named attack he used was on Sentomaru and that was strong enough to one shot him through his barrier and fast enough for Gear 5 to be unable to react.


Lucci proved well enough that there was a reason Luffy decided to go into his strongest form immedeately. Lucci proved he is not Yc1 but a level above, so basically in between Yonko and Yc1 - and that is where Luffy without Gear 5 is as well, Kizaru basically proved he aint Yonko/Admiral level in even Gear 4, let alone Gear 2/3 and base.

I could probably agree to:
Gear 5 Luffy - Mid/High Top Tier
Gear 4 Luffy - Low/Mid Top Tier
Base/Gear 2/3 Luffy, Lucci, Zoro - Low Top Tier
 
Fuck. Zoro did something 100 chapters ago that the g5+Lanji can't do. 1 Zoro stopped the named attack of two yonko, which they wanted to destroy all the supernovae. Bottom line=Zoro stopped this attack and the other supernovae didn't get a scratch. Meanwhile, Saturn and Kizaru beat up an old man again, who was protected by lanji+goofy? omg. Further. Zoro on the roof saved goofy's ass 5 FUCKING TIMES by literally pulling this garbage out of kaido's mouth. Meanwhile, does Lunji need protection from goofy in order to protect vegapank, who was almost killed again? Zoro needs to find a new team with Jimbei......
mad?
 
You are just saying same thing again and again lol


I presented you a scenario -

VP is about to broadcast the message and sanji took him away.


This chapter made it clear that VP is Saturn and Kiz primary target.


If VP broadcast the message then do you think Saturn won't make kiz go after him to finish the job? And, Zoro / jinbei will join others.


It's a possibility speculation
Im saying the same thing again and again because thats what repeatedly happens in this story ad nauseum. Nobody takes over Luffy's fights lol. He never defeated an Admiral, so why would Zoro do it first?
 
Fuck. Zoro did something 100 chapters ago that the g5+Lanji can't do. 1 Zoro stopped the named attack of two yonko, which they wanted to destroy all the supernovae. Bottom line=Zoro stopped this attack and the other supernovae didn't get a scratch. Meanwhile, Saturn and Kizaru beat up an old man again, who was protected by lanji+goofy? omg. Further. Zoro on the roof saved goofy's ass 5 FUCKING TIMES by literally pulling this garbage out of kaido's mouth. Meanwhile, does Lunji need protection from goofy in order to protect vegapank, who was almost killed again? Zoro needs to find a new team with Jimbei......
Cry :ihaha::ihaha:
 
But that is the problem, Luffy did not easily beat Lucci in his Gear 5, in fact he did not beat him at all. Lucci did immensly well for facing and fighting Gear 5 for his first time, even having an equal clash blowing each other away! (edit: dont forget how Kaido did in his first encounter with gear 5)

But since the moment Lucci focused in killing Sentomaru, it was no 1v1 fight anymore, but Lucci trying to kill Sentomaru and Luffy butting in from the side trying to protect Sento. Lucci even managed to dodge one of the attacks.

At the end Lucci was far from defeated and Luffy escaped for other reasons (letting Sentomaru whom he tried to protect even behind him). During the entire encounter Lucci did not use a single named attack on Luffy - the one named attack he used was on Sentomaru and that was strong enough to one shot him through his barrier and fast enough for Gear 5 to be unable to react.


Lucci proved well enough that there was a reason Luffy decided to go into his strongest form immedeately. Lucci proved he is not Yc1 but a level above, so basically in between Yonko and Yc1 - and that is where Luffy without Gear 5 is as well, Kizaru basically proved he aint Yonko/Admiral level in even Gear 4, let alone Gear 2/3 and base.

I could probably agree to:
Gear 5 Luffy - Mid/High Top Tier
Gear 4 Luffy - Low/Mid Top Tier
Base/Gear 2/3 Luffy, Lucci, Zoro - Low Top Tier
Again, you are making a speed comparison, luffy may not be equal to an admiral in g4, but maybe
When they are at equal speed, it will be quite powerful and it is a form that can challenge an admiral, but we did not see it hit even once because it was too slow against kizaru.
 
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