Powers & Abilities Understanding Asura, King of Hell and Enma Haki Flow

[nik87]

It is only an illusion. The panels made that very clear. Kaku saw the illusion and then we saw Zoro normal. Then when we saw Zoro in that form he calls it an illusion again.

It is NOT an illusion.
An illusion doesnt create stronger cuts, thus it cannot possibly be an illusion.
It is only Kaku's guess because he didnt understand it.

All evolutions of humanity are real instead of illusions.
It would not triple Zoro's power if it were just an illusion.
The power-up is real and tangible.

Actually I'd say we don't know it. We never heard about Oden had any issues with Enma. It seems he uses it since a very young age without any trouble. Probably he didn't even had haki at time.

I still think it has something to do with how the owners pass the swords forward. Zombie Ryuuma specifically passed his sword to Zoro and he said something to the sword. So Zoro had an easier time taming Shusui. Oden passed his swords to his kids. So when Zoro tooks it Enma is rejecting Zoro since the will of the previous owner was to give it to bitch Hiyori and not Zoro.

The maker of Enma said >sword looks into you.
It means it can see your desire and ambition.
And then it scales to that ambition and charges you accordingly.

The fact that Oden used it normally since baby years proves that his ambition wasnt that great.
And that's why Enma that can see into him didnt demand from him as much as it demanded from Zoro.
It will obviously charge a lot more the one who desires to be the strongest compared to the one who left Wano for information about past.

Shusui is satisfied with what Ryuma achieved, it is a sword that "lived" its life and served its purpose. it has been put to rest.
Enma was thirsty for Blood since Oden's failure against Kaido. It will not rest until Zoro forges it black.

 

[Herrera95]

Nice falseflag. Zoro only learned to utilize CoC through Enma. It's no feat specifically bound to Enma or 3SS. Just like luffy learned how to kick with Adv CoC and then used punches, zoro can use adv CoC with any random sword, his bare hands or a spoon.

Wtf you talking.

I'm explaining how I see KoH mode. Nit even about CoC coating. But since you brought that he learned on that Asura he scarred Kaido. That's why Kaido asks about his CoC. Oda also stated that the only other attack that scarred Kaido was with CoC coating. And this makes sense because Luffy complained about his attacks being shallow before start using CoC coating. So to make a cut with a sword so deep to leave a scar you also need CoC coating.

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It is NOT an illusion.
An illusion doesnt create stronger cuts, thus it cannot possibly be an illusion.
It is only Kaku's guess because he didnt understand it.

All evolutions of humanity are real instead of illusions.
It would not triple Zoro's power if it were just an illusion.
The power-up is real and tangible.

Is not a guess. He had the illusion twice but we saw a normal Zoro after his first one. Illusion made Usopp knock out Miss Wednesday(or Mr 4?) And Perona. Why the hell would Kaido asks if Zoro had. CoC and not DF if he saw Zoro creating new heads and arms like only Robin DF would be able to?

And it is just a theory that triples Zoro power. We don't know how much stronger he gets.

The maker of Enma said >sword looks into you.
It means it can see your desire and ambition.
And then it scales to that ambition and charges you accordingly.

The fact that Oden used it normally since baby years proves that his ambition wasnt that great.
And that's why Enma that can see into him didnt demand from him as much as it demanded from Zoro.
It will obviously charge a lot more the one who desires to be the strongest compared to the one who left Wano for information about past.

Shusui is satisfied with what Ryuma achieved, it is a sword that "lived" its life and served its purpose. it has been put to rest.
Enma was thirsty for Blood since Oden's failure against Kaido. It will not rest until Zoro forges it black.

That makes sense. May be the case. But I disagree about Oden ambition since how strong he was.

 

[Yomi]

Soon as I saw "enma haki flow" I knew there was gonna be a pic of Zoro vs Lucci. It always comes back to zoro "stalling" for 58 hours.

 

[nik87]

Is not a guess. He had the illusion twice but we saw a normal Zoro after his first one. Illusion made Usopp knock out Miss Wednesday(or Mr 4?) And Perona. Why the hell would Kaido asks if Zoro had. CoC and not DF if he saw Zoro creating new heads and arms like only Robin DF would be able to?

And it is just a theory that triples Zoro power. We don't know how much stronger he gets.

lol
You cannot tell me an illusion left a scar on Kaido...
It is a real thing. An illusion didnt trash Amadenachi, real thing did.
An illusion didnt allow Zoro to clash with hybrid Kaido, real thing did.

Kaido asks if he has CoC because the only one who left a scar did it with CoC. Zoro built differently as he pulled it off without CoC.
We know exactly how much he gets stronger, Pound Ho told us that power scales with number of swords.
Zoro's OST is named very, very, very strongest. He wears 3 earrings as well. His theme is trinity.

That makes sense. May be the case. But I disagree about Oden ambition since how strong he was.

Some strong men dont have such a great ambition.
They want something but it isnt necessarily related to power.
WB, for example, just wanted a family.

 

[Rootbeer]

I'm doing this thread to share my thoughts about how they work and they are and to see if someone help me to catch something I may have missed.

So first of all what is Asura?

Asura is a transformation/mode of Zoro. Demonic Aura. It creates the illusion of a demon with 3 heads 6 arms and 2 legs(?). We only saw Zoro using it at Ennies Lobby (first time), Sabaody and then Wano (last time)

Spoiler: Asura

What is King of Hell? Another mode of Zoro where he is in full control of his haki while using Enma which makes the green flame around his 3 blades while also releases his CoC coating that makes the black lightning streaks on all his 3 swords.

Spoiler: King of Hell

What is Enma haki flow?

When Zoro tamed Enma giving ALL his haki to it instead of pulling back as he was doing before it creates green flames around all his 3 swords and it only works when Enma is being used.

Spoiler: Enma Haki Flow

So they are basically 3 different modes while King of Hell being an advanced version of Enma Haki Flow.

So there is a possibility that Zoro may combine Asura with King of Hell and that being his current peak.

Also notice how Asura is just an illusion and never that Zoro really grows extra heads and arms(lol).

There's no Enma Haki flow.. KoH is the stabilized version of the purple energy.. It split in 2 Enma's soul Green and AdCoA Black Lightning.. There's no advanced CoC or CoC coating with KoH, it's the natural CoA level progression of a Swordsman..

Ashura is not an illusion, it's an illusion that can temporarly materialize, that's what Sandai Kitetsu's power is..

Zoro already used Sandai, Enma and Wado's power all together with Dragon Damnation as it was called '' Three Sword Dragons '' , not Three Swordstyle anymore..

 

[Terra Arseid7]

There's no Enma Haki flow.. KoH is the stabilized version of the purple energy.. It split in 2 Enma's soul Green and AdCoA Black Lightning.. There's no advanced CoC or CoC coating with KoH, it's the natural CoA level progression of a Swordsman..

Ashura is not an illusion, it's an illusion that can temporarly materialize, that's what Sandai Kitetsu's power is..

Zoro already used Sandai, Enma and Wado's power all together with Dragon Damnation as it was called '' Three Sword Dragons '' , not Three Swordstyle anymore..

Thank you for entertaining me on my boring nights
You are the number 1 clown in the world, and without the need to paint your face

 

[Rootbeer]

Thank you for entertaining me on my boring nights
You are the number 1 clown in the world, and without the need to paint your face

Everything i say is true.. All meitos Swords have powers, Kouzaburo translation is incorrect..

 

[Taylor_]

There's no Enma Haki flow.. KoH is the stabilized version of the purple energy.. It split in 2 Enma's soul Green and AdCoA Black Lightning.. There's no advanced CoC or CoC coating with KoH, it's the natural CoA level progression of a Swordsman..

Ashura is not an illusion, it's an illusion that can temporarly materialize, that's what Sandai Kitetsu's power is..

Zoro already used Sandai, Enma and Wado's power all together with Dragon Damnation as it was called '' Three Sword Dragons '' , not Three Swordstyle anymore..

Link me that Two Piece copy of yours.

 

[Herrera95]

lol
You cannot tell me an illusion left a scar on Kaido...
It is a real thing. An illusion didnt trash Amadenachi, real thing did.
An illusion didnt allow Zoro to clash with hybrid Kaido, real thing did.

Kaido asks if he has CoC because the only one who left a scar did it with CoC. Zoro built differently as he pulled it off without CoC.
We know exactly how much he gets stronger, Pound Ho told us that power scales with number of swords.
Zoro's OST is named very, very, very strongest. He wears 3 earrings as well. His theme is trinity.

It is illusion. There is no mention of extra limbs by Kaido. He just said about CoC no DF which would be the most obvious case. Why the hell Zoro is the only on series capable of that?

Some strong men dont have such a great ambition.
They want something but it isnt necessarily related to power.
WB, for example, just wanted a family.

Yet he had the strongest title that even Roger with a greater ambition didn't. You just killed your argument.

There's no Enma Haki flow.. KoH is the stabilized version of the purple energy.. It split in 2 Enma's soul Green and AdCoA Black Lightning.. There's no advanced CoC or CoC coating with KoH, it's the natural CoA level progression of a Swordsman..

Ashura is not an illusion, it's an illusion that can temporarly materialize, that's what Sandai Kitetsu's power is..

Zoro already used Sandai, Enma and Wado's power all together with Dragon Damnation as it was called '' Three Sword Dragons '' , not Three Swordstyle anymore..

There is Enma Haki flow. Zoro vs Lucci doesn't have the black lightning but have the smoke and you failed to explain that.

You don't know what is ACoA and how it is applied to swords. Oda said that the attack that scarred Kaido had CoC coating so it is only natural that the other attack (Zoro Asura) only had.

KoH mode has the same black lightning we are seeing Luffy, Kaido, Shanks, Big Mom(on one attack at least) spamming. It is full level of copium to say he doesn't have. Not even the hardest die fan of Zoro says something like that since it would mean he would become even more stronger without it.

Enma is the only magical sword of the series. Besides it we just know of Shisui being heavy before Zoro fully tamed it.

 

[nik87]

It is illusion. There is no mention of extra limbs by Kaido. He just said about CoC no DF which would be the most obvious case. Why the hell Zoro is the only on series capable of that?

Illogical argument.
>Why is only Zoro capable of growing extra limbs.
Replaced by:
>Only Zoro can create illusions.

I repeat, it is NOT an illusion and Zoro isnt the only one capable of manifesting desire into reality, all DFs were manifested the same way when they first appeared.

Illusion doesnt buff physical power, extra limbs/swords do. If you paid attention to VPs explanation of DFs and let go of headcanons, this would be clear...

Yet he had the strongest title that even Roger with a greater ambition didn't. You just killed your argument.

He had the strongest title, yes. That didnt affect my argument. His ambition simply wasnt that great regardless. Enma only misbehaves with Zoro as it can see into him and see the greatest ambition of all. Roger's ambition wasnt regarding individual power.

 

[Herrera95]

Illogical argument.
>Why is only Zoro capable of growing extra limbs.
Replaced by:
>Only Zoro can create illusions.

I repeat, it is NOT an illusion and Zoro isnt the only one capable of manifesting desire into reality, all DFs were manifested the same way when they first appeared.

Illusion doesnt buff physical power, extra limbs/swords do. If you paid attention to VPs explanation of DFs and let go of headcanons, thus would be clear...

Since it is just an illusion it is easier to understand why Kaido didn't got surprised. But since you are saying to have extra human powers without a DF then why wouldn't Kaido question about it? Yet he talked about CoC.

We saw a lot of CoC users way more familiar with it than Zoro and no one is creating extra limbs. But here you claim that Zoro does and doesn't explain why Kaido doesn't mention it. Or Law.

 

[nik87]

Since it is just an illusion it is easier to understand why Kaido didn't got surprised. But since you are saying to have extra human powers without a DF then why wouldn't Kaido question about it? Yet he talked about CoC.

We saw a lot of CoC users way more familiar with it than Zoro and no one is creating extra limbs. But here you claim that Zoro does and doesn't explain why Kaido doesn't mention it. Or Law.

lol, you are hell bent on it being an illusion...
Kaido did get surprised, lol. Look at his expression when he first sees it.
I told you why he questions about CoC AFTER he received a wound that was only replicated by CoC user before.

Becuase Asura isnt a product of CoC, which is another headcanon.
It is manifested through willpower, not through CoC.
The reason why nobody mentions it is the same as always, Oda doesnt give Zoro any narrative. He is a show dont tell character.

Every DF in existence was manifested for the first time just like Zoro manifested Asura, through desire, as VP explained by looking at Nika.
All of them were "illusions" as you would call it. Once the one who manifested died, they turned into DFs that someone else could eat, also explained by VP in the same panel.

 

[Herrera95]

lol, you are hell bent on it being an illusion...
Kaido did get surprised, lol. Look at his expression when he first sees it.
I told you why he questions about CoC AFTER he received a wound that was only replicated by CoC user before.

Becuase Asura isnt a product of CoC, which is another headcanon.
It is manifested through willpower, not through CoC.
The reason why nobody mentions it is the same as always, Oda doesnt give Zoro any narrative. He is a show dont tell character.

Every DF in existence was manifested for the first time just like Zoro manifested Asura, through desire, as VP explained by looking at Nika.
All of them were "illusions" as you would call it. Once the one who manifested died, they turned into DFs that someone else could eat, also explained by VP in the same panel.

Kaku mentions it to be an illusion and you just decide to ignore. This is the closest definition we have from Asura.

 

[nik87]

Kaku mentions it to be an illusion and you just decide to ignore. This is the closest definition we have from Asura.

Yet you ignore everything Vegapunk just said in this arc...
Head through the wall approach till the end, huh?

 

[Herrera95]

Yet you ignore everything Vegapunk just said in this arc...
Head through the wall approach till the end, huh?

How I ignored Vegapunk?

 

[nik87]

How I ignored Vegapunk?

Because he told you what Asura is, word by word, by explaining Nika.

 

[Herrera95]

Because he told you what Asura is, word by word, by explaining Nika.

No he didn't.

 

[nik87]

No he didn't.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

No, Zoro has surpassed Oden, because Zoro can now use "normal" Enma, who does not waste energy. And he can use a higher level (green smoke)

Current zoro has ZERO chance of winning vs kaido while oden forced kaido to capitalize on a dirty distraction(even tho kaido never used hybrid vs oden).

 

[Herrera95]

Current zoro has ZERO chance of winning vs kaido while oden forced kaido to capitalize on a dirty distraction(even tho kaido never used hybrid vs oden).

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