Chapter Discussion Zoro Vs Lucci is the WORST Fight In One Piece.

[HellBlazer04]

The entire time this fight was irrelevant/meaningless.
Only by the end of it did the fight become somewhat important but that's only because of the Location of the fight which is the primary target of the Gorosei. Which is why it end the ended the same time as Gorosei arrival.

I won't say this was the worst fight, but definitely his most irrelevant fight. Zoro could have been kept up in the Labophase with several other excuses instead of this garbage fight

 

[Malio]

What fight? We barely saw anything. Oda focused on everything else but that "fight" and then when he wanted it over, one shotted lucci. Could've done something else, something better, and then ended the fight the same way. Oh well we're bound to see something now that there's more enemies around

 

[Halyup]

Coz its not a fight
But a stall device

 

[pg13]

The entire time this fight was irrelevant/meaningless.
Only by the end of it did the fight become somewhat important but that's only because of the Location of the fight which is the primary target of the Gorosei. Which is why it end the ended the same time as Gorosei arrival.

I won't say this was the worst fight, but definitely his most irrelevant fight. Zoro could have been kept up in the Labophase with several other excuses instead of this garbage fight

What's the worst fight?

 

[Lor D. Coast]

This is what happens when your editors are there just to suck your dick and you desperately want everyone to like your MC.

 

[HellBlazer04]

What's the worst fight?

For me, its the hyouzou fight

 

[zenox]

y'all were hyping this fight as extreme diff and now u are depressed lucci got babyshaked

Leave the yonko fighting for the top tiers.

the ones who are drowning in water fight now ?

 

[The White Crane]

Even if you wanted to count that as a fight Ulti and Page One are not held to the standard Lucci is. Lucci is established we know what he’s capable of combat wise which is big part of why this fight was the worst. They also don’t have the hype and expectation Lucci has either. And honestly if we count it as a fight ITS STILL better and more interesting then Zoro Vs Lucci…….

Yeah, a fight that wasn't even ended by its original participants (like those panels show) can't really compare to a fight that was ended by its original participants (like Zoro vs Lucci).

 

[JoNdule]

I’m a Zoro fan and I’m not happy

you think people prefer this to like Zoro vs Ryuma?

btw Zoro vs Ryuma is very similar power scale wise… Zoro never gets hit in the Zoro vs Ryuma fight, and also he beats Ryuma without going all out… Which in power scaling terms is exactly the same as Zoro vs Lucci… just another mid diff

Do you think people, or Zoro fans specifically, would prefer this lame ass Lucci vs zoro shit or the Zoro vs Ryuma fight?

One of the things I don’t like about you Ndule is that your agenda shit is too baked into your ability to even analyze this story… like there are people here who can agenda war while also being able to understand that the actual story Oda is writing is not actually about agendas… you aren’t one of those people

I legit think you cannot make a single observation about Zoro without your agenda bias. It’s legitimately impossible for you.

Anyway, to each their own

I don't care about what you say

Cope more
You guys love ' zoro too strong " moments and Oda gave it to you

So why are you crying?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I don't care about what you say

Cope more
You guys love ' zoro too strong " moments and Oda gave it to you

So why are you crying?

I repeat, you are IN CAPABLE of making any analysis of this story without agenda bias.

I know you are

 

[JoNdule]

I repeat, you are IN CAPABLE of making any analysis of this story without agenda bias.

I know you are

Says the guy who made agenda based threads about kid, Law, BM, etc...

Oda doesn't care about Zoro's character and fights, he gives you these type of fights cause he knows you guys will love it as long as you see zoro won with 1-3 moves landed

 

[Reborn]

Pointless fight to hype zoro as Luffy's leftover underling

Here a hug for you


You need it. Everything will be okay bro. Zoro is just a fictional character

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Yeah, a fight that wasn't even ended by its original participants (like those panels show) can't really compare to a fight that was ended by its original participants (like Zoro vs Lucci).

It still baffles me how Oda drew a chapter ending cliffhanger with a pissed off protagonist claiming they'll defeat their opponent in a typical shonen way just for the fight to end 3 pages in the following chapter without said protag landing a single hit and BM doing 99% of the damage with asspull mama mode lmao
Being too weak to take on a vet level character is not the issue, but why even make this kind of set-up that is obviously going to hype fans of the character to begin with? This feels almost mean-spirited.
Although it wasn't a chapter ending cliffhanger, we had something kind of similar recently with Sanji facing Kizaru while telling him to start writing his apology letter with Sanji ending not doing anything except getting kicked once, failing to protect Vegapunk and leaveng the battle the following chapter.

Sometimes I have the impression Oda has an humiliation fetish or outright despises his main cast bar Luffy tbh

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Says the guy who made agenda based threads about kid, Law, BM, etc...

Oda doesn't care about Zoro's character and fights, he gives you these type of fights cause he knows you guys will love it as long as you see zoro won with 1-3 moves landed

I know you can’t. I want you to admit you can’t. It’s cognitively impossible for you

 

[Salah WG]

Zoro's Main Fights are against a Top Henchman of Big Boss They are trying to Dethrone

Arlong Pirates --- Arlong --- Hatchan
Baroque Works --- Crocodile --- Mr. 1
God's Army --- Enel --- Ohm
Cipher-Pol 9 --- Lucci --- Kaku
Thriller Bark Pirates --- Moria --- Zombie Ryuma

New Fish-Men Pirates --- Hody --- Hyouzou
Donquixote Pirates --- Doflamingo --- Pica
Beasts Pirates --- Kaidou --- King
???
???

Lucci falls under Category of Secondary Fights for Zoro
Such as Killer, Monet, T-Bone, Apoo, Mr. 5 ... etc

We basically don't get anything except Finishing Blow
If this is your Reaction to Lucci Fight, then either you're New to One Piece or you don't understand how Story is Structured

Luffy didn't decide to Defeat an Organization yet
WG will still Exist after Egghead Arc, this isn't the Decisive Battle to decide Fate of WG or Marine HQ or entire CP-0 or any Villain Group

You're just Coping & Complaining cuz it Hurts a lot of Headcanons

 

[ConquistadoR]

Zoro's Main Fights are against a Top Henchman of Big Boss They are trying to Dethrone

Arlong Pirates --- Arlong --- Hatchan
Baroque Works --- Crocodile --- Mr. 1
God's Army --- Enel --- Ohm
Cipher-Pol 9 --- Lucci --- Kaku
Thriller Bark Pirates --- Moria --- Zombie Ryuma

New Fish-Men Pirates --- Hody --- Hyouzou
Donquixote Pirates --- Doflamingo --- Pica
Beasts Pirates --- Kaidou --- King
???
???

Lucci falls under Category of Secondary Fights for Zoro
Such as Killer, Monet, T-Bone, Apoo, Mr. 5 ... etc

We basically don't get anything except Finishing Blow
If this is your Reaction to Lucci Fight, then either you're New to One Piece or you don't understand how Story is Structured

Luffy didn't decide to Defeat an Organization yet
WG will still Exist after Egghead Arc, this isn't the Decisive Battle to decide Fate of WG or Marine HQ or entire CP-0 or any Villain Group

You're just Coping & Complaining cuz it Hurts a lot of Headcanons

This is true, but even then... it was still Lucci. He had one of the best fights in the pre Ts in terms of fight choreography.

I didn't expect him to trouble Zoro and get an extended fight, but I expected atleast some cool scenes which shows Lucci & Zoro's skill level before Zoro finishes the job.

In that way, what we finally got was disappointing.

 

[yorosenpai]

y'all were hyping this fight as extreme diff and now u are depressed lucci got babyshaked


the ones who are drowning in water fight now ?

it looks like in 6 months nothing really interesting happen that they had to start bait threads left und right for a total of 2 pages of clashing.....

OP is seriously having some direction problem.....look like nika nika aint engaging at all

The funniest thing is that we warn them 6moths ago that the first time Zoro uses a name attack stall piece is over

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This is what happens when your editors are there just to suck your dick and you desperately want everyone to like your MC.

 

[Salah WG]

This is true, but even then... it was still Lucci. He had one of the best fights in the pre Ts in terms of fight choreography.

I didn't expect him to trouble Zoro and get an extended fight, but I expected atleast some cool scenes which shows Lucci & Zoro's skill level before Zoro finishes the job.

In that way, what we finally got was disappointing.

I agree, but i wouldn't say it's the Fight that Disappointed me, cuz when it's not One of Zoro's Main Fights, i know that 90% of the time it's gonna End in just One or Two Panels, however how Oda handled Lucci was indeed Disappointing

So it's more accurate for me to say i'm Disappointed in Lucci's Role, not his Fight
But i will wait for Next Chapter to see if there was a point in bringing back Lucci or He was just used to show how Luffy/Zoro have grown

 

[Cruxroux]

Because one shotted him , it's the worst fight.
If oda gave screentime and more named attacks then Zoro got hard diffed Agenda Rises up.

 

[yorosenpai]

It's because Oda spends the bulk of his time when it comes to drawing fight panels, adding in thousands of meticulous details for people to power scale over. From huffs, to bruise counts, to where the person is looking, to the way the person is talking, how they are standing, are their arms held too high, or too low, is their knees bent to much, is their beak bent, how many dots of blood was spilt, did it mess their hair up, did they use their left leg, etc..etc...

If Oda would just stop obsessing over those powerlevel details, he'd have enough time to draw longer fights....

Oda has to reduce drastically useless world building, reduce nika nika wank to a coherent story flow and OP will improve drastically.

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Oda's way too lazy, well out of his prime at this point it's obvious. Like OP said, Luffy bodied Blueno but that was a masterpiece.

I remember he admitted to this in an interview a few years back broken down by Sandman I believe:

"ONE PIECE has more characters than before. He has to cram much information into one chapter to move forward with the story. Oda says he would be able to draw really impressive fight scenes only if he could keep drawing the fight scene for 2 chapters in a row. He feels ONE PIECE can now spend only 1 chapter at most on a fight scene."

Issue is he'd rather draw a whole bunch of nothing instead.

100% correct
Shanks vs Kidd wasnt a fight
BB vs Law wasnt a fight

So good materials wasted for fuking goofy 6 clone of vegapunk and bullshit about nika nika

2 thing that Loda will never change but are super necessary: reducing to bar minimum world building, reduce to a coherent flow nika nika wank!