Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

This ain't the question we should be asking tho, no? A person that already raped a child or committed a murder he no place in society (or in the world altogether)

Life is complicated.

There are multiple different degrees of murder and mitigating factors that could cause a person to be released instead of spending life in prison. I guess if you want an example of such a murder, Gypsy Rose Blanchard is probably a good example.

Regarding rape in particular(child or otherwise), I think justice should first and foremost focus on the needs of the victim. If the damage done is so great that the victim feels the abuser should be put away forever, I think that's fair. But if that's not the case and the victim forgives the abuser in some form and is okay with the abuser getting 5 or 10 years for what they did, I think that's also fair. I don't see how an outsider who has no connection to that specific case has any right to object to that.

I don't know to what degree victims really get their needs honored by the system. My best friend is a lawyer and he's worked with domestic violence victims. From what he told me, it was pretty hard to get his client justice because her abuser's lawyer was playing really dirty.

 

[Herrera95]

That's the side effect of no death sentences

Better than sending to death an innocent person.

And I believe that as long people are alive they can change and make the difference even if they don't go out. They have wisdom they can pass to next generation and to people that will go out. Or even to the guards they are in touch everyday.

 

[Zemmi]

Reading a source from a law firm in Los Angeles.

They say reoffending rates for child molesters are significantly underestimated because they only know of those who were caught. Which is believable because sexual crimes are underrated as a whole.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I guess if you want an example of such a murder, Gypsy Rose Blanchard is probably a good example.

That's barely a murder

I don't know to what degree victims really get their needs honored by the system.

Not at all basically. Short prison sentences and the absence of a serious death penalty option are nothing but torture for the victims, their families and every other citizens who doesn't want to become a victim of crime.

 

[Herrera95]

I never understood why restraining orders are a thing.

Because people are crazy and mean. Me and my family had a restrain order from my dad because he wanted to kill everyone or at least is what we believed.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

And I believe that as long people are alive they can change and make the difference even if they don't go out.

What's the point then? They get free food and lodging and the victims have to live in constant fear that the criminal may be released early or escape

 

[Zemmi]

Am I the first person who disgusted Logiko to the point he stopped responding

I think that is trophy-worthy. Nah, I actually don't mind him and find him amusing.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Because people are crazy and mean. Me and my family had a restrain order from my dad because he wanted to kill everyone or at least is what we believed.

I mean I don't understand what effect they have. Isn't it just a piece of paper? The offender can still do whatever he/she wants as long as they are not supervised

 

[Herrera95]

If the damage done is so great that the victim feels the abuser should be put away forever, I think that's fair. But if that's not the case and the victim forgives the abuser in some form and is okay with the abuser getting 5 or 10 years for what they did, I think that's also fair. I don't see how an outsider who has no connection to that specific case has any right to object to that.

What the hell? You just killed justice. You can't have any of the parties judging the sentence.
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Am I the first person who disgusted Logiko to the point he stopped responding

I think that is trophy-worthy. Nah, I actually don't mind him and find him amusing.

I wish I could do that

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Three-year recidivism Rate of Sexual assaults. I'm gonna assume this includes those against minors since it doesn't say and doesn't have a separate section for it. This is from cga.ct.gov

42% rearrested, 23% reconvicted and 16% reprisoned.

Way higher numbers than acceptable. Which no number is acceptable in my opinion.

What I was talking about was from a wikipedia article I read on the topic a while back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender

According to the OJP,[10] the recidivism rate for sex offenders has been shown to be lower than any other crime except murder in New York State. Another report from the OJP which studied the recidivism of prisoners released in 1994 in 15 states (accounting for two-thirds of all prisoners released in the United States that year) reached the same conclusion.[11]

I will note tho, OJP also says that the underreporting of sex crimes could be a reason why these rates are that low.

 

[Herrera95]

I mean I don't understand what effect they have. Isn't it just a piece of paper? The offender can still do whatever he/she wants as long as they are not supervised

Yes but then you can call police and have them arrested.

 

[Zemmi]

I mean I don't understand what effect they have. Isn't it just a piece of paper? The offender can still do whatever he/she wants as long as they are not supervised

They are just a piece of paper. And some people might respect them, but when a person decides not to, it will be really bad because they already plan to do something horrible to break the law. That's why I think overall they are useless.

I also know, that sometimes domestic violence isn't taken seriously against women.
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What I was talking about was from a wikipedia article I read on the topic a while back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender



I will note tho, OJP also says that the underreporting of sex crimes could be a reason why these rates are that low.

Yes they are very unreported much like domestic violence. They both are way more prevalent than people think.

 

[Herrera95]

OJP also says that the underreporting of sex crimes could be a reason why these rates are that low.

I always hears that but how they find that out?

What I hear about rape is that is usually done inside home by family members like in this case we are talking and therefore it is hard for the victim to report since no one would think that of a relative and underages have less credibility. Also that if a woman try to report to a male police officer this one is more likely to ignore.

This is for Brazil.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What the hell? You just killed justice. You can't have any of the parties judging the sentence.

I think parties should judge

I just think the focus should be on what the victim wants.

If the victim's needs aren't being met, then I can't see how its true justice.

 

[Herrera95]

What's the point then? They get free food and lodging and the victims have to live in constant fear that the criminal may be released early or escape

The point is that from time to time we see people who got in jail even in death row for an incredible amount of time and then was proved to be innocent.
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I think parties should judge

I just think the focus should be on what the victim wants.

If the victim's needs aren't being met, then I can't see how its true justice.

No way. Because victims can ever fully forgive a criminal. We saw this a lot. But then the whole society is in dangerous.

 

[Zemmi]

Maybe we should get off the subject of such a sensitive subject. (I'm aware I brought it up.) But maybe it will be better if we move away from it now.

 

[Herrera95]

they only know of those who were caught

Kind of obvious isn't?
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Maybe we should get off the subject of such a sensitive subject. (I'm aware I brought it up.) But maybe it will be better if we move away from it now.

Fair enough.

How about USA banning TikTok? What your thoughts

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No way. Because victims can ever fully forgive a criminal. We saw this a lot. But then the whole society is in dangerous.

Not saying the victim can do whatever they want.

But I think functional justice should try to balance those needs with any mitigating factors for the offender.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

What the hell? You just killed justice. You can't have any of the parties judging the sentence.

The word justice can mean anything really:saden::saden:

Yes but then you can call police and have them arrested.

You can also call the police when somebody threatens / assaults you. They arrive 20 minutes after you were already robbed, raped and/or killed:saden:

Yes they are very unreported much like domestic violence. They both are way more prevalent than people think.

They might actually be the norm in relationships

What I hear about rape is that is usually done inside home by family members

Murders are also mire likely to be committed by a family member or friend.

 

[Herrera95]

Not saying the victim can do whatever they want.

But I think functional justice should try to balance those needs with any mitigating factors for the offender.

The punishment are made to prevent people from doing. If punishment can be lower because victim is a pussy then more people will be inclined to do it. If punishment is harsher because the victim is a psycho then things will start to get unfair.

For example here in Brazil we had people who got sentenced to 17 years of prison because they protested against elections. Meanwhile we have robbers and criminals that got way less of a sentence IF they got sentenced at all because we have several mechanism that allows then to get away or leave prison earlier. It is ridiculous.

Some time ago a guy jumped inside a school for children (below 5 years old not sure how is it called. Day care?) With an axe and killed a bunch of them. It was found that he already went to jail 4 times but didn't got arrested the time it was at law. It is ridiculous the justice system around here.
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You can also call the police when somebody threatens / assaults you. They arrive 20 minutes after you were already robbed, raped and/or killed:saden:

Still better than nothing. It helps even if by a little.
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Murders are also mire likely to be committed by a family member or friend.

Didn't knew that. But we have some disturbing cases here. A daughter that killed both parents because they didn't accepted her relationship with her boyfriend.

Also some parents that kills their child.