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Is Shanks more skilled than Zoro?

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#87
We've seen luffy break through fodder and luffy has had his haki broken by no haki fodder

Zoro and swordsman will be a haki vs haki clash where strongest haki wins
Doflamingo is not fodder. His haki was stronger than Luffys. Luffy beat him because KKG was way stronger than anything Doflamingo had. That's why Luffy won.

But hey if you want to admit Asura Zoro loses to stronger haki Tashigi, I'll take it, lol.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#88
Doflamingo is not fodder. His haki was stronger than Luffys. Luffy beat him because KKG was way stronger than anything Doflamingo had. That's why Luffy won.

But hey if you want to admit Asura Zoro loses to stronger haki Tashigi, I'll take it, lol.
Hody is fodder
Doffys haki was shit broke holding a no haki no graded sword

You're doing no haki vs weak haki

I'm talking top tier haki vs top tier Haki
In non fruit swordsman the only factor in the winner will be whose is the strongest
 
#89
Hody is fodder
Doffys haki was shit broke holding a no haki no graded sword

You're doing no haki vs weak haki

I'm talking top tier haki vs top tier Haki
In non fruit swordsman the only factor in the winner will be whose is the strongest
You can give Zoro and Tashigi both top tier Haki, and make Tashigis stronger, and Asura still shreds her.

Zoro is 1000 times physically stronger than Tashigi, and Asura is 1000 times stronger than any attack she has.

Triple her haki over Zoro and she still loses.
 
#91
Despite being a fan favorite and Oda's self-insert, the RedHaired pirate is lacking feat-wise.

This is 2nd time he is losing to Zoro. The first time he lost to Zoro is in comparison between Dragon Damnation and Kamusari:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...did-it-better-redhaired-or-greenhaired.40225/

This is 2nd time he lost to Zoro as he needed way more effort in order to eliminate a target that Zoro eliminated effortlessly.
Shanks was pressed hard by a glimpse of what Kidd's rail gun would do to ships of his allies and instantly went all out.


He used Kamusari, a skill on Pirate King level, coated into nothing less than aCoC, just like Pirate King coated the same attack.
To be fair, Shanks might be more skilled than Pirate King and have some skill superior to Kamusari but it is his signature move regardless.
One thing is certain, he used the power of a handful of the very strongest in order to buff Kamusari to take Kidd out.
And that is his peak haki as he most likely will not show anything superior to it because KOH is unique to Zoro.



There is also another thing that needs to be addressed and that is the strength of their targets, Kidd and Lucci.
Anyone who power scales well knows that Lucci is superior to Kidd and would win in a fight but overall let's say they are in the same ballpark.
One thing we know for sure is that it is definitely harder to put down an Awakened Zoan than Kidd.

While Shanks nearly went all out with 100% of his power, Zoro didn't even need 5% of his power to put down a tougher target.
Yes, that is 5%, not a typo of 50%. Five percent of his total power is all that Zoro needs while Shanks goes close to 100%, probably.

How did I come up with 5%? Well, I may not be a math genius but one doesn't need to be to begin with to approximately calculate this...
Zoro at 100% power is Zoro in Demon God coated in King of Hell haki state. Let's go down from there.


We know that Demon God triples his power so let's split 100% into 3 parts to determine how strong he is in Santoryu - ~33% of power.
But that is still buffed by KOH which isn't present in the move that took Lucci out. Let's reduce that buff too.
We know thanks to Pound Ho skill that CoA buffed Zoro's power by 10 times, taking 36/72/108 Pound Ho to 360/720/1080 Pound Ho.
And recently Luffy pointed out they're 100 times stronger than they were when they met Kizaru 1st time so aCoC coating would also be 10x.
Let's remove that buff from 33% as well
. We are down to 3.3% of Zoro's power.


That would be the number we were looking for if Zoro's haki peak was a mere aCoC but he has something a step above that, the King of Hell that is made of aCoC and fuming CoA. So, we would have to split 33% of Zoro's power into an even smaller number than 3.3% but we don't know exactly how much stronger KOH is than aCoC.
I told yall I am no math genius but this is disrespectful to Shanks. :crazwhat:

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#96
Doflamingo is not fodder. His haki was stronger than Luffys. Luffy beat him because KKG was way stronger than anything Doflamingo had. That's why Luffy won.

But hey if you want to admit Asura Zoro loses to stronger haki Tashigi, I'll take it, lol.
Doffy didn't have better CoA than Luffy. A better example is Katakuri. Katakuri proved his CoA is superior but G4 boundman force was physically stronger to break through
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#97
Luffy has beaten plenty of people who has stronger haki than him.
Are you saying Zoro can't beat someone with stronger haki than his?
Beating people with stronger haki by physical force is doable when that haki is weak.
However, that doesn't apply at the high end which is where the >Haki conquers everything.

That's my point. So even if Swordsman Tashigi has stronger haki than Zoro, she still can't beat him, because Asura amplifies Zoros power by three times.
If Tashigi's haki is on Mihawk's level, indeed, not even Asura Zoro can beat her.

Nik chan, are you saying Zoro was unable to exert out even his 3.33% while Lucci was mocking him and his crew was in danger? Until Sanji called him dead weight.
Correct. Or semi-correct.
It is not that he wasn't able to exert 3.3% of his total power.
It is that he wasn't allowed do go that high so Lucci can stall him.

Now that Elders have arrived, stalling is no longer needed so stalling device has gone bye-bye.
Now, he is allowed to go past 3.3% and the targets are either Elders or Kizaru, both of which Godfy failed to beat.
Are you ready for Zoro piece, YTW-chan? :finally:
 
#98
Despite being a fan favorite and Oda's self-insert, the RedHaired pirate is lacking feat-wise.

This is 2nd time he is losing to Zoro. The first time he lost to Zoro is in comparison between Dragon Damnation and Kamusari:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...did-it-better-redhaired-or-greenhaired.40225/

This is 2nd time he lost to Zoro as he needed way more effort in order to eliminate a target that Zoro eliminated effortlessly.
Shanks was pressed hard by a glimpse of what Kidd's rail gun would do to ships of his allies and instantly went all out.


He used Kamusari, a skill on Pirate King level, coated into nothing less than aCoC, just like Pirate King coated the same attack.
To be fair, Shanks might be more skilled than Pirate King and have some skill superior to Kamusari but it is his signature move regardless.
One thing is certain, he used the power of a handful of the very strongest in order to buff Kamusari to take Kidd out.
And that is his peak haki as he most likely will not show anything superior to it because KOH is unique to Zoro.



There is also another thing that needs to be addressed and that is the strength of their targets, Kidd and Lucci.
Anyone who power scales well knows that Lucci is superior to Kidd and would win in a fight but overall let's say they are in the same ballpark.
One thing we know for sure is that it is definitely harder to put down an Awakened Zoan than Kidd.

While Shanks nearly went all out with 100% of his power, Zoro didn't even need 5% of his power to put down a tougher target.
Yes, that is 5%, not a typo of 50%. Five percent of his total power is all that Zoro needs while Shanks goes close to 100%, probably.

How did I come up with 5%? Well, I may not be a math genius but one doesn't need to be to begin with to approximately calculate this...
Zoro at 100% power is Zoro in Demon God coated in King of Hell haki state. Let's go down from there.


We know that Demon God triples his power so let's split 100% into 3 parts to determine how strong he is in Santoryu - ~33% of power.
But that is still buffed by KOH which isn't present in the move that took Lucci out. Let's reduce that buff too.
We know thanks to Pound Ho skill that CoA buffed Zoro's power by 10 times, taking 36/72/108 Pound Ho to 360/720/1080 Pound Ho.
And recently Luffy pointed out they're 100 times stronger than they were when they met Kizaru 1st time so aCoC coating would also be 10x.
Let's remove that buff from 33% as well
. We are down to 3.3% of Zoro's power.


That would be the number we were looking for if Zoro's haki peak was a mere aCoC but he has something a step above that, the King of Hell that is made of aCoC and fuming CoA. So, we would have to split 33% of Zoro's power into an even smaller number than 3.3% but we don't know exactly how much stronger KOH is than aCoC.
I told yall I am no math genius but this is disrespectful to Shanks. :crazwhat:

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#99
Beating people with stronger haki by physical force is doable when that haki is weak.
However, that doesn't apply at the high end which is where the >Haki conquers everything.


If Tashigi's haki is on Mihawk's level, indeed, not even Asura Zoro can beat her.


Correct. Or semi-correct.
It is not that he wasn't able to exert 3.3% of his total power.
It is that he wasn't allowed do go that high so Lucci can stall him.

Now that Elders have arrived, stalling is no longer needed so stalling device has gone bye-bye.
Now, he is allowed to go past 3.3% and the targets are either Elders or Kizaru, both of which Godfy failed to beat.
Are you ready for Zoro piece, YTW-chan? :finally:
Wrong.

If you gave Spandam who has less doriki than a navy fodder, Mihawks haki, forget about EoS Zoro, current Zoro demolishes him in not even a second, and he wouldn't even need Asura.
 
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