Questions & Mysteries Did Oda write himself into a corner regarding black blades?
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Not about caring about or loving your sword. I’m saying it’s possibly about connecting to it. Swords have wills of their own. That’s probably the key to a black blade where instead of the user having to coat a sword in willpower, the will of the sword itself strengthens the sword to become a black blade due to its connection with the swordsman. And yes connections like this grow in battle as we’ve seen Zoro connect with Enma more in his battle against King than he did in the two weeks training with it prior to the fight.
Okay and you have to explain why Zoro is gonna turn Enma black in like two months from now then story ends yet somehow Oden who has CoC and is fully trained in all this sword lore failed to do so in 33 years
And then explain why Nusjuro after 800 years didn’t “connect” with this one sword
And explain how or why Zoro is connected to Wado in this specific way that he turns wado black yet we know you can have a sword for 33 years and fail to ever do it… why is Zoro doing it in after only 10 years
Same for sandai… the moment you remove the power scaling aspect you open it up to questions regarding why anyone didn’t do this, for all of OP history
It’s gonna be much harder to get explain why no random marine swordsman has made a black blade if the criteria is “connect with sword”… for example Tashigi is all about swords, why hasn’t she “connected with her sword?
And then explain why Nusjuro after 800 years didn’t “connect” with this one sword
And explain how or why Zoro is connected to Wado in this specific way that he turns wado black yet we know you can have a sword for 33 years and fail to ever do it… why is Zoro doing it in after only 10 years
Same for sandai… the moment you remove the power scaling aspect you open it up to questions regarding why anyone didn’t do this, for all of OP history
It’s gonna be much harder to get explain why no random marine swordsman has made a black blade if the criteria is “connect with sword”… for example Tashigi is all about swords, why hasn’t she “connected with her sword?
Because Tashigi has too many predispositions about swords to sense the will of the swords. Tashigi thinks any sword in the hand of a pirate or bounty hunter must be weeping hell, when she held kitetsu she was able to rattle off its status and worth but knew nothing about the curse; but Zoro could sense that the second he picked it up and doesn’t even need to hold the sword to sense its will.
Zoro also doesn’t back down from challenges he is given from these swords. When he first started using Kitetsu it would cut anything, and then Zoro trained it so it would only cut what the swordsman wanted cut. Against King, Zoro could’ve stopped giving Enma haki or backed down when he first heard of the swords power, but he decided to risk his life to meet that challenge head on to.
None of that is common in the verse. We saw samurai of Wano fear Enma, were told none who wielded Kitetsu III were worthy of it. And with Nesjuro it’s easy to see why he couldn’t turn a sword black. Do you think a man who sees other people as mere insects sees a sword made from an insect as anything other than just a tool?
Zoro also doesn’t back down from challenges he is given from these swords. When he first started using Kitetsu it would cut anything, and then Zoro trained it so it would only cut what the swordsman wanted cut. Against King, Zoro could’ve stopped giving Enma haki or backed down when he first heard of the swords power, but he decided to risk his life to meet that challenge head on to.
None of that is common in the verse. We saw samurai of Wano fear Enma, were told none who wielded Kitetsu III were worthy of it. And with Nesjuro it’s easy to see why he couldn’t turn a sword black. Do you think a man who sees other people as mere insects sees a sword made from an insect as anything other than just a tool?
No, Oda didn't.
1 - Nusjuro doesn't have a black blade. We have seen his blade unsheathed before and it's not black.
2 - There's a confusion when it comes to raising the rank of a blade.
When a blade is forged to a black blade it doesn't go from one grade to a higher grade. This can be determined by the fact throughout the entire manga there has always been a set number of superior grade, excellent grade and fine grade blades. If any blade can go from one grade to a higher grade then there can't be a set number of blades per grade.
When a blade is forged into a black blade it's placed in a subcategory within the grade. IE: When Shusui was forged a into a black blade it became a excellent grade black blade. It's stronger than any other blade in that grade that's not a black blade.
A blade grade is just the quality of the blade. The higher the grade the better quality blade. A better quality blade won't break as easily, hold a better edge and can we stand more power being channelled through it. Think of it like the difference between a $500 sword and a $5,000 sword. The more expensive sword will be the better quality weapon.
One question remains, what is a stronger weapon? A excellent grade black blade or a superior grade non-black blade. I think they are equal with the black blade having the edge (pun intended). Black blades can't be broken but the superior grade blade is a better quality weapon. Turning a blade into a black blade doesn't increase the quality of the blade. One of the main reasons to possessing a strong weapon is to channel power through it. A black blade would allow the user to channel more power through it.
1 - Nusjuro doesn't have a black blade. We have seen his blade unsheathed before and it's not black.
2 - There's a confusion when it comes to raising the rank of a blade.
When a blade is forged to a black blade it doesn't go from one grade to a higher grade. This can be determined by the fact throughout the entire manga there has always been a set number of superior grade, excellent grade and fine grade blades. If any blade can go from one grade to a higher grade then there can't be a set number of blades per grade.
When a blade is forged into a black blade it's placed in a subcategory within the grade. IE: When Shusui was forged a into a black blade it became a excellent grade black blade. It's stronger than any other blade in that grade that's not a black blade.
A blade grade is just the quality of the blade. The higher the grade the better quality blade. A better quality blade won't break as easily, hold a better edge and can we stand more power being channelled through it. Think of it like the difference between a $500 sword and a $5,000 sword. The more expensive sword will be the better quality weapon.
One question remains, what is a stronger weapon? A excellent grade black blade or a superior grade non-black blade. I think they are equal with the black blade having the edge (pun intended). Black blades can't be broken but the superior grade blade is a better quality weapon. Turning a blade into a black blade doesn't increase the quality of the blade. One of the main reasons to possessing a strong weapon is to channel power through it. A black blade would allow the user to channel more power through it.
So we are looping back around to caring about swords now.
Again, it is ridiculous suggest that only two swordsmen in all of OP history have ever cared about their swords
That’s like some Nika shit right there… basically you’re saying it’s like a chosen one thing at this point… Because it’s now an inherent aspect of specific special people that can’t be taught or simply intuited by many people
Seriously this what this sounds like, the Nika supposedly chose Luffy because of some vague quality he had inherent to his being and hence it got fucking awakened
Your basically using this special one logic for zoro Ryuma and mihawk
And all of this is being done while explicitly ignoring the manga’s ONE STATED method of making black blade
@CbShadow
Well we can say 55 years ago the number were different since that’s when Enma and habakiri were made for Oden
So we know the number can change simply from a new sword being made… Meaning that doesn’t disqualify the possibility of black blades changing these numbers too… Black blades are simply MUCH RARER of a feat than even making grade swords… literally there’s 12 supreme grade sword and only two black blades… It’s 6 times more likely a person makes a supreme grade than a black blade
Again, it is ridiculous suggest that only two swordsmen in all of OP history have ever cared about their swords
That’s like some Nika shit right there… basically you’re saying it’s like a chosen one thing at this point… Because it’s now an inherent aspect of specific special people that can’t be taught or simply intuited by many people
Seriously this what this sounds like, the Nika supposedly chose Luffy because of some vague quality he had inherent to his being and hence it got fucking awakened
Your basically using this special one logic for zoro Ryuma and mihawk
And all of this is being done while explicitly ignoring the manga’s ONE STATED method of making black blade
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@CbShadow
Well we can say 55 years ago the number were different since that’s when Enma and habakiri were made for Oden
So we know the number can change simply from a new sword being made… Meaning that doesn’t disqualify the possibility of black blades changing these numbers too… Black blades are simply MUCH RARER of a feat than even making grade swords… literally there’s 12 supreme grade sword and only two black blades… It’s 6 times more likely a person makes a supreme grade than a black blade
Where did I say care about swords? I said connecting with the will of the sword. You think it’s ridiculous that only two swordsmen have Been able to connect to their sword to a degree enough for the swords will to turn the sword black?
Reminder on swordsmen in the verse: just like with pirates most of them are talentless and cowardly. Even Samurai in Wano feared “Enmas curse” many swordsmen even spread the legend of cursed blades because the swords will was too strong for them.
So do you think Zoro didn’t connect with Enma more during his battle with King? You’re trying to make this some weird power scaling feat as if Oda designed Mihawk to be stronger than Roger just to have Mihawk say that being a pirate king is more difficult then being WSS. Cause that makes sense
Reminder on swordsmen in the verse: just like with pirates most of them are talentless and cowardly. Even Samurai in Wano feared “Enmas curse” many swordsmen even spread the legend of cursed blades because the swords will was too strong for them.
So do you think Zoro didn’t connect with Enma more during his battle with King? You’re trying to make this some weird power scaling feat as if Oda designed Mihawk to be stronger than Roger just to have Mihawk say that being a pirate king is more difficult then being WSS. Cause that makes sense
I think it’s power scaling feat because the one in world statement about how it’s done is directly stated to be combat related… Plain and simple… the only canon statement around it is that it’s a combat feat
And not only that, it’s a combat feat that people use to revere Ryuma. Ryuma is praised for having accomplished this feat in combat.
You are saying it’s a chosen one thing that isn’t really worth praise because some people are just born special in some way that allows them to connect to swords or whatever
And not only that, it’s a combat feat that people use to revere Ryuma. Ryuma is praised for having accomplished this feat in combat.
You are saying it’s a chosen one thing that isn’t really worth praise because some people are just born special in some way that allows them to connect to swords or whatever
No, he wasn't. Oden Nittoryu was the greatest.
His style was better than Roger's and he was stronger than Roger.
Oden has something to show for.
Five other top tiers who are known as capable of fighting Kaido, alongside Oden, couldn't do even that much.
>Luffy
>Hakiman
>Lethality
I didn't know you were this funny, Gai-chin.
His style was better than Roger's and he was stronger than Roger.
Oden has something to show for.
Five other top tiers who are known as capable of fighting Kaido, alongside Oden, couldn't do even that much.
>Luffy
>Hakiman
>Lethality
I didn't know you were this funny, Gai-chin.
I would agree with you if Oda presented the quality grade blades in a different way. IE: If a character stated they're only found 12 superior grade blades so far. Yes, you would be correct. That's not the case.
Oda has always presented the grade blades in a way that there is a set number of grade blades.
Oda has always presented the grade blades in a way that there is a set number of grade blades.
No he hasn't Ryuma and Mihawk stand above every other swordsman in their respective eras. Snitch and his former captain failing to achieve this feat doesn't diminish value of kokuto they are reserved for the very strongest 
The man invented his own sword style called it the best with pride trying to pass it on to his followers i can't believe what i'm reading here
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The man invented his own sword style called it the best with pride trying to pass it on to his followers i can't believe what i'm reading here
No, he wasn't. Oden Nittoryu was the greatest.
His style was better than Roger's and he was stronger than Roger.
Oden has something to show for.
Five other top tiers who are known as capable of fighting Kaido, alongside Oden, couldn't do even that much.
>Luffy
>Hakiman
>Lethality
I didn't know you were this funny, Gai-chin.
His style was better than Roger's and he was stronger than Roger.
Oden has something to show for.
Five other top tiers who are known as capable of fighting Kaido, alongside Oden, couldn't do even that much.
>Luffy
>Hakiman
>Lethality
I didn't know you were this funny, Gai-chin.
Enemies Luffy has killed since start of One Piece: 1(presumed)
Scoreboard is up and it tells it in clear letters.
0 - 1.
Let's first wait for the explanation about the no black blade for roger, xebec, shanks (?), wb ecc
Than we can talk about that
Imo the explanation is really simple: he needed to draw something unique for mihawk, and he invented the black blade
After, he decided to draw much more blade's users and here where the problems started...
Of course we have to count even the problems about haki in general, maybe the worst power in the battle shonen's history
Than we can talk about that
Imo the explanation is really simple: he needed to draw something unique for mihawk, and he invented the black blade
After, he decided to draw much more blade's users and here where the problems started...
Of course we have to count even the problems about haki in general, maybe the worst power in the battle shonen's history
