Controversial General Political Discussion

[Apollo]

Irrc the British did proposed a Jewish state inside of the greater Palestinian one and the Arabs declined

Aside from the Peel commission's plan and the partition plan of 1947, I don't know of any other proposals Britain gave, especially not one within a "a greater Palestinian" state.

Here's the map for the Peel's commission plan:

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To be fair, the Zionists weren’t content with the UN borders either

they wanted more, but just agreed to the UN plan so they could gain more power. But as you can see with the nakba, six day war, and even the actions of current Israel, zionist goals were always on most, if not all, of Palestine.

This is true, Zionism was always against the idea of a Palestinian state, and have lobbied against it decades before the Nakba in 1948.

Here is one of the leading zionist leaders in the early 20th century, echoing these thoughts in 1931:

 

[Apollo]

So everyone got silence when Washington Times dropped this bomb about Israel War against Hamas being the one with lowest civilian death ratio of urban battles?

Israel's war against Hamas posts lower civilian-to-combatant death ratio than other urban battles - Washington Times

Hamas rejecting ceasarfire proposal that Israel agreed of

Biden: impasse on Israel ceasefire deal due to Hamas (thecanary.co)

This idiot didnt even bother to read the title of the article he's posting as proof of his opinion

Here is the title of the article btw, I know its hard for you but try and read:

Joe Biden ignores that Israel rejected ceasefire deal, says Hamas ‘only obstacle’ to peace

 

[Toby D. Dog]

This idiot didnt even bother to read the title of the article he's posting as proof of his opinion

Here is the title of the article btw, I know its hard for you but try and read:

Joe Biden ignores that Israel rejected ceasefire deal, says Hamas ‘only obstacle’ to peace

He is such a fucking shameless retard.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

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This is true, Zionism was always against the idea of a Palestinian state, and have lobbied against it decades before the Nakba in 1948.

Here is one of the leading zionist leaders in the early 20th century, echoing these thoughts in 1931:

This is why I don't think I can identify as a zionist, despite supporting jewish solidarity and political independence.

I've read the works of Theodore Herzl, the founding father of Zionism. The guy was a racist and a colonizer. He literally stated he wanted to create an outpost of europe in the barbaric lands of asia.

From Herzl to Netanyahu, I feel like this sentiment has always existed in the zionist movement. Even so called liberal zionists tend to always run defense for Israel.

 

[Adam 🍎]

US military recruitment is still on the decline. Looks like it didn't work lol

Considering Vietnam, Korean War, Iraq and Afghanistan no wonder people dont wanna join the army.

You get chewed up and thrown into the world like piece of litter once they have no use for you

 

[Roo]

To be fair, the Zionists weren’t content with the UN borders either

they wanted more, but just agreed to the UN plan so they could gain more power. But as you can see with the nakba, six day war, and even the actions of current Israel, zionist goals were always on most, if not all, of Palestine.

So it wasn’t going to work lol
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Aside from the Peel commission's plan and the partition plan of 1947, I don't know of any other proposals Britain gave, especially not one within a "a greater Palestinian" state.

Here's the map for the Peel's commission plan:

Spoiler

This is true, Zionism was always against the idea of a Palestinian state, and have lobbied against it decades before the Nakba in 1948.

Here is one of the leading zionist leaders in the early 20th century, echoing these thoughts in 1931:

“Surrounded” is probably a better word, regardless it was that he described. Mainly a state around the Jaffa area

 

[Apollo]

So it wasn’t going to work lol
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“Surrounded” is probably a better word, regardless it was that he described. Mainly a state around the Jaffa area

that was Monkey D Theories' own partition plan. Your first post implied the UK was gonna create such a state lol

 

[Roo]

that was Monkey D Theories' own partition plan. Your first post implied the UK was gonna create such a state lol

UK did propose a smaller jewish state in their partition plans mainly around jaffa tho, that was my point


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[Apollo]

UK did propose a smaller jewish state in their partition plans mainly around jaffa tho, that was my point

Thats what I asked about, tell me about the proposal since its my first time hearing of it. Aside from the Peel comission and partition plan of 1947, I do not know of any attempts of Britain to create a small Jewish state centered in Jaffa's region.

That was the understanding of Balfour's declaration from the first place, that all of Palestine (and Transjordan) was gonna be a Jewish state.

This was a part of the response of the Zionist congress in response to the Peel commission:

1. The Congress takes note of the findings of the Palestine Royal Commission with regard to the following fundamental matters : first, that the primary purpose of the Mandate, as expressed in its preamble and in its articles, is to promote the establishment of the Jewish National Home; secondly, that the field in which the Jewish National Home was to be established was understood, at the time of the Balfour Declaration, to be the whole of historic Palestine, including Trans-Jordan; thirdly, that inherent in the Balfour Declaration was the possibility of the evolution of Palestine into a Jewish State; fourthly, that Jewish settlement in Palestine has conferred substantial benefits on the Arab population and has been to the economic advantage of the Arabs as a whole.

Never have I ever heard of this plan you're talking about.

 

[Roo]

Thats what I asked about, tell me about the proposal since its my first time hearing of it. Aside from the Peel comission and partition plan of 1947, I do not know of any attempts of Britain to create a small Jewish state centered in Jaffa's region.

That was the understanding of Balfour's declaration from the first place, that all of Palestine (and Transjordan) was gonna be a Jewish state.

This was a part of the response of the Zionist congress in response to the Peel commission:


Never have I ever heard of this plan you're talking about.

i literally linked it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodh...roposed a coastal Jewish,Arab state in Plan A.

 

[Apollo]

i literally linked it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodhead_Commission#:~:text=It proposed a coastal Jewish,Arab state in Plan A.

The link didn't show up for me when I first read the post.

This was a follow-up on the Peel commission's plan that utterly failed.

The way you phrased it in your first post was misleading. Plan C would only make a Jewish state in Jaffa's until Jews and Arabs would decide what pieces of land they would take. The plan was gonna create mandatory areas that would later join either the Jewish or Arab states.


It reached a point where the British government thought it was mess.
They still brought the plan to both Jews and Arabs, and both rejected the plans. No need to single out Arabs as the ones who declined it.

 

[Roo]

The link didn't show up for me when I first read the post.

This was a follow-up on the Peel commission's plan that utterly failed.

The way you phrased it in your first post was misleading. Plan C would only make a Jewish state in Jaffa's until Jews and Arabs would decide what pieces of land they would take. The plan was gonna create mandatory areas that would later join either the Jewish or Arab states.

Misleading? not my fault you inserted your own assumptions into my comment/

They still brought the plan to both Jews and Arabs, and both rejected the plans. No need to single out Arabs as the ones who declined it.

Because Monkey D Theories was talking about approval, as in they(palestinians) would be okay with a jewish state in the area around Jaffa as the main opponents of a jewish state at all were them. Clearly that wasn't the case.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Misleading? not my fault you inserted your own assumptions into my comment/





Because Monkey D Theories was talking about approval, as in they(palestinians) would be okay with a jewish state in the area around Jaffa as the main opponents of a jewish state at all were them. Clearly that wasn't the case.

the Arabs wanted a pan Arab state so yeah obviously they wouldn’t be happy that a Jewish state exists in the Middle East

But if not for the nakba and the occupation there wouldn’t have been a 70+ year long conflict.

the Palestinians only fight because they don’t really have a choice

 

[Toby D. Dog]

A great analysis in a nutshell as to what type of leader Milei has been.

 

[Roo]

the Arabs wanted a pan Arab state so yeah obviously they wouldn’t be happy that a Jewish state exists in the Middle East

But if not for the nakba and the occupation there wouldn’t have been a 70+ year long conflict.

the Palestinians only fight because they don’t really have a choice

The nakba was a direct result of the un partition and mandatory palestine civil war. It wasn't the reason for the 70 year long conflict, it is literally part of it

 

[NAMELESS]

A great analysis in a nutshell as to what type of leader Milei has been.

Dude,most argentinians work for their government. No way in hell a true anarchocapitalist would get elected in Argentina. Milei is a wolf in sheep's clothing imo. He is a guy from the establishment that got elected to make it seem like right wing are nuts. I never believed that guy.

 

[Apollo]

Misleading? not my fault you inserted your own assumptions into my comment/

misleading was the wrong word to use there, vague would've been better.

Because Monkey D Theories was talking about approval, as in they(palestinians) would be okay with a jewish state in the area around Jaffa as the main opponents of a jewish state at all were them. Clearly that wasn't the case.

At that point in history, neither the zionist movement nor the palestinians were gonna settle for anything less than all of historical Palestine.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Dude,most argentinians work for their government. No way in hell a true anarchocapitalist would get elected in Argentina. Milei is a wolf in sheep's clothing imo. He is a guy from the establishment that got elected to make it seem like right wing are nuts. I never believed that guy.

The video talks a little bit about that. If you’re at all interested in the specifics then you should watch it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Stupid

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The nakba was a direct result of the un partition and mandatory palestine civil war. It wasn't the reason for the 70 year long conflict, it is literally part of it

My point is just that a lot of the major points of the modern conflict come from the Nakba. That and the 6 day war.

Honestly even after the nakba, I think there was still an opportunity for the conflict to end. But then Israel occupied Gaza and the West bank