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Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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I have been thinking about it for a while

I think the Zionists had a point. There was a need for Jewish unity and political autonomy at that point in history.

And I don’t think there was anything inherently wrong with Jews trying to seek that in Palestine, the land which has the greatest connection to the Jewish people.

I think the issue was their approach. They were racists and they were inspired by previous European colonial efforts. Rather than create a state out of lands that naturally had a Jewish majority, the Zionists wanted most, if not all, of Palestine.

Yet they did not have a majority in these lands. So they created one via the nakba, ethnically cleansing the Palestinians to create Israel.
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in 1945, Jews had a majority in Jaffa. If they just created a state around Jaffa, then I don’t think that there would still be a conflict to this day.

I’m sure the Arabs would been mad that European immigrants created a state in the Arab heartland, but they would get over it. Especially if nobody was displaced in the state’s creation.

I bet if they tried they could have turned Jaffa into a billionaire tax haven, like the European micro states.
 
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Monkey D Theories

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Roo said:
Irrc the British did proposed a Jewish state inside of the greater Palestinian one and the Arabs declined
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To be fair, the Zionists weren’t content with the UN borders either

they wanted more, but just agreed to the UN plan so they could gain more power. But as you can see with the nakba, six day war, and even the actions of current Israel, zionist goals were always on most, if not all, of Palestine.
 
Apollo

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Roo said:
Irrc the British did proposed a Jewish state inside of the greater Palestinian one and the Arabs declined
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Aside from the Peel commission's plan and the partition plan of 1947, I don't know of any other proposals Britain gave, especially not one within a "a greater Palestinian" state.

Here's the map for the Peel's commission plan:


Monkey D Theories said:
To be fair, the Zionists weren’t content with the UN borders either

they wanted more, but just agreed to the UN plan so they could gain more power. But as you can see with the nakba, six day war, and even the actions of current Israel, zionist goals were always on most, if not all, of Palestine.
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This is true, Zionism was always against the idea of a Palestinian state, and have lobbied against it decades before the Nakba in 1948.

Here is one of the leading zionist leaders in the early 20th century, echoing these thoughts in 1931:
 
Apollo

Apollo

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Herrera95 said:
So everyone got silence when Washington Times dropped this bomb about Israel War against Hamas being the one with lowest civilian death ratio of urban battles?

Israel's war against Hamas posts lower civilian-to-combatant death ratio than other urban battles - Washington Times

Hamas rejecting ceasarfire proposal that Israel agreed of

Biden: impasse on Israel ceasefire deal due to Hamas (thecanary.co)
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This idiot didnt even bother to read the title of the article he's posting as proof of his opinion

Here is the title of the article btw, I know its hard for you but try and read:

Joe Biden ignores that Israel rejected ceasefire deal, says Hamas ‘only obstacle’ to peace
 
Monkey D Theories

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Apollo said:
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This is true, Zionism was always against the idea of a Palestinian state, and have lobbied against it decades before the Nakba in 1948.

Here is one of the leading zionist leaders in the early 20th century, echoing these thoughts in 1931:
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This is why I don't think I can identify as a zionist, despite supporting jewish solidarity and political independence.

I've read the works of Theodore Herzl, the founding father of Zionism. The guy was a racist and a colonizer. He literally stated he wanted to create an outpost of europe in the barbaric lands of asia.

From Herzl to Netanyahu, I feel like this sentiment has always existed in the zionist movement. Even so called liberal zionists tend to always run defense for Israel.
 
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