Character Discussion Sengoku & Sakazuki - A Comparison Between The Two Fleet Admirals

[Elder Lee Hung]

Is america currently the strongest or not?

In terms of what? I assume you’re asking about the military?

America spends more on its military than anybody else by far. America’s military leaders are also the most capable in history, so yes it makes sense that America’s military is the strongest. It does have the largest budget and the best leaders.

 

[ZenZu]

Akainu might be a better leader in real life - in our materialistic world.
But it doesnt work like that in a Japanese fiction. There is a reason why subordinate marines supported Kuzan as the FA, not Akainu.

Bro Akainu has a gotdamn Admiral simping for him, forget fodders 😂, that's like the best leadership feat in the entire story, maybe only Roger or Primebeard match that level of reverence from a fellow top tier.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Why didnt Akainu's subordinates support Akainu?

How do you know they didn’t? Lol

I could ask the same thing about Aokiji. If Aokiji was the better leader, why didn’t the higher ups in the WG support Aokiji?

I am not sure how they got stronger - IMO they should be weaker

Well, thank you for your honesty. Lol

The truth of the matter is simply that Akainu is straight up a better leader than Sengoku.

 

[Foul Legacy]

In terms of what? I assume you’re asking about the military?

America spends more on its military than anybody else by far. America’s military leaders are also the most capable in history, so yes it makes sense that America’s military is the strongest. It does have the largest budget and the best leaders.

Yea there you go.
Thanks for answering my questions.
If you still can't figure it out.
May the heavan help American education system.

 

[SakazOuki]

You can argue that Sengoku is a better battle commander, as in taking command of a war like Marineford
But overall as a leader of the Navy, Oda couldn't make it more obvious @MarineHQ @Nidai_Kitetsu
And the fact that he accomplished that with a weaker/less competent set of Admirals

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Bro Akainu has a gotdamn Admiral simping for him, forget fodders 😂, that's like the best leadership feat in the entire story, maybe only Roger or Primebeard match that level of reverence from a fellow top tier.

With that line of logic, Akainu couldnt keep Kuzan with the marines and turned him to a pirate

Well, thank you for your honesty. Lol

The truth of the matter is simply that Akainu is straight up a better leader than Sengoku

They lost Garp and Sengoku. Replaced Kuzan with Fuji/Greenbull. They have to be weaker now.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yea there you go.
Thanks for answering my questions.

My answer supports my argument. The American military is the strongest because its leaders are the strongest lol. And also because we spend more on our military than anybody else.

There is no indication that Sakazuki’s Navy gets any more funding than Sengoku’s. Sakazuki leads a Navy full of draftees and insubordinates and yet his Navy is stronger than Sengoku’s anyway. Literally the only viable explanation is Sakazuki’s leadership.

 

[Foul Legacy]

My answer supports my argument. The American military is the strongest because its leaders are the strongest lol.

Leadership ain't just about making the country strongest my dude.
Yourself admitted leaders are absolute shithole

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Leadership ain't just about making the country strongest my dude.

Good leadership is about making your faction stronger. Sakazuki’s Navy is stronger than Sengoku’s, with the reason given being Sakazuki’s leadership itself.

For example, if Sakazuki’s Navy was said to be stronger than Sengoku’s because he had stronger Admirals, then you could still say Sakazuki was an inferior leader to Sengoku. But that’s not what we got:

Literally Sakazuki’s leadership is the given reason why his Navy is superior to Sengoku’s. Actually, Sakazuki is the strongest leader in the history of the Navy by this panel. Stronger than all other past Fleet Admirals.

IE, Sakazuki is the superior leader.

Yourself admitted leaders are absolute shithole

Yes and America as a country is a shithole as well.

Shithole leaders = shithole country. Lol

 

[Foul Legacy]

Yes and America as a country is a shithole as well.

Shithole leaders = shithole country. Lol

But that doesn't matter because you're the strongest right?

 

[SakazOuki]

Leadership ain't just about making the country strongest my dude.
Yourself admitted leaders are absolute shithole

"Under Sakazuki's leadership"
As in after Akainu became fleet admiral

"Navy HQ has grown far more power and determined"
The marines are now stronger and more consolidated

"Than ever before"
Sakazuki's leadership led to the best version of the marines ever, a force that counters the evils of piracy

Most marines are in tune with absolute justice

What better leader for the marines than Akainu, someone who means business and wants to eradicate piracy
You're acting like the navy is solely made of little bitches like Coby with no real understanding of the politics involved in upholding a force as grand as the navy. Akainu takes no smack from both pirates and the world government.

 

[ZenZu]

There is not a single thing Sengoku does better than Akainu except sweat.

 

[SakazOuki]

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

But that doesn't matter because you're the strongest right?

Wat? Lol

You are making an incoherent analogy lol.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Wat? Lol

You are making an incoherent analogy lol.

Bruh your country is suffering it's all good cuz Leaders are strong.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Bruh your country is suffering it's all good cuz Leaders are strong.

Alright, have fun with that point, don’t know where you pulled that from. That has nothing to do with anything I was saying lmfao.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Alright, have fun with that point, don’t know where you pulled that from. That has nothing to do with anything I was saying lmfao.

Ofc you don't 💀. Really not surprised.
Agenda surfing goes 📈📈.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I love Sengoku for the record. He is my favorite old generation character. But there is no discussion between he and Akainu in terms of leadership. Literally Akainu is the best Fleet Admiral in the history of the Navy the way the manga presented it. Likely the strongest Navy in history as well.

 

[Dragon777]

Goda and the Gorosei: from ruthless but great politicians to caricatural evil demons .

 

[KingOnizam]

Goda and the Gorosei: from rutless but great politicians to caricatural evil demons .

Crazy to think that if you use just pre-timeskip info, the gorosei and Sengoku aren’t that far off from each other in the morality spectrum.