Character Discussion Sengoku & Sakazuki - A Comparison Between The Two Fleet Admirals
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The whole Massacre of the Innocents at Baterilla thing is up for debate.
What Sengoku said in Marineford was that Cipher Pol warned the Marines Roger might have had a child in the island Ace was born. They went, looked and couldn’t find anything, and Sengoku said that everyone was fooled by Rouge.
We know the Marines intended on murdering any woman and child that Roger was involved in. This is an explicitly evil thing to do.
We don’t actually know if they wiped out every woman and child on the island. (Although if Akainu had been there it certainly would have happened, because that’s his logic from Ohara). We don’t know if they did their due diligence and investigated thoroughly, or simply went on a killing spree.
The fact that Rouge survived points to there being at least some level of discretion.
We also don‘t know how involved Sengoku was. He was an Admiral at a time, not a Fleet Admiral. Kong would have been giving the ultimate orders. We don’t see Sengoku there at any point, we only see him narrate in Marineford what happened.
Using it to somehow say Akainu is more moral than Sengoku is a dreadful argument.
We know, for an absolute fact, that Akainu ordered the murder of the children of Ohara, and that it then happened.
Even if Sengoku both:
-was the one to order the deaths of anyone related to Roger and,
-actually ensured that it took place and took out any even potentially related women and child to do it.
It would only put him on the same level as Akainu morally, which is at rock bottom.
What Sengoku said in Marineford was that Cipher Pol warned the Marines Roger might have had a child in the island Ace was born. They went, looked and couldn’t find anything, and Sengoku said that everyone was fooled by Rouge.
We know the Marines intended on murdering any woman and child that Roger was involved in. This is an explicitly evil thing to do.
We don’t actually know if they wiped out every woman and child on the island. (Although if Akainu had been there it certainly would have happened, because that’s his logic from Ohara). We don’t know if they did their due diligence and investigated thoroughly, or simply went on a killing spree.
The fact that Rouge survived points to there being at least some level of discretion.
We also don‘t know how involved Sengoku was. He was an Admiral at a time, not a Fleet Admiral. Kong would have been giving the ultimate orders. We don’t see Sengoku there at any point, we only see him narrate in Marineford what happened.
Using it to somehow say Akainu is more moral than Sengoku is a dreadful argument.
We know, for an absolute fact, that Akainu ordered the murder of the children of Ohara, and that it then happened.
Even if Sengoku both:
-was the one to order the deaths of anyone related to Roger and,
-actually ensured that it took place and took out any even potentially related women and child to do it.
It would only put him on the same level as Akainu morally, which is at rock bottom.
are people really trynna debate on who is worse between akainu and sengoku 
We don’t know if Sengoku was at Baterilla and what happened there, but we can be sure Akainu wasn’t there because if he had been, no one would have survived.
You can argue that Sengoku is a better battle commander, as in taking command of a war like Marineford
But overall as a leader of the Navy, Oda couldn't make it more obvious @MarineHQ @Nidai_Kitetsu
And the fact that he accomplished that with a weaker/less competent set of Admirals
I agree that the narrative clearly showcased that Akainu > Sengoku which only makes sense when we're heading to the climax of the series and antagonists groups always reach their strongest at the peak of the MC so that he may surpass them.
That's why Akainu will be > Prime Garp just like Blackbeard will be > Primebeard or Luffy will be > Roger.
The case for Koby as Garp 2.0 isn't really a case. Koby won't matter for this climax. He'll be showcased as Admiral in the epilogue in a world that'll be way way more peaceful and he will never be FA anyways.
In terms of morality, Sengoku is George W Bush, Akainu is Donald Trump.
Trump was an evil piece of shit war criminal, loudly screaming about all of the evil shit he was going.
George W Bush actually was an evil piece of shit just like Trump was, but he wasn’t as loud and in your face about all the evil shit he did, even though he was just as evil in terms of his actual actions as Trump was.
Sengoku and Akainu are really no different in terms of their ideology, where they differ is their levels of devotion and how loudly they scream about their beliefs. If you are a creature of inferior IQ, Akainu seems more evil to you because he’s much louder about his beliefs. But in actuality he and Sengoku are the same.
Trump was an evil piece of shit war criminal, loudly screaming about all of the evil shit he was going.
George W Bush actually was an evil piece of shit just like Trump was, but he wasn’t as loud and in your face about all the evil shit he did, even though he was just as evil in terms of his actual actions as Trump was.
Sengoku and Akainu are really no different in terms of their ideology, where they differ is their levels of devotion and how loudly they scream about their beliefs. If you are a creature of inferior IQ, Akainu seems more evil to you because he’s much louder about his beliefs. But in actuality he and Sengoku are the same.
Sengoku oversaw the execution of pregnant women and newborns, and from his words about Ace and Roger, thought it was completely necessary. Akainu blew up a ship containing kids and babies to make sure Ohara scholars didn't escape. Sengoku was angry that Impel Down escapees were covered up to save face, and Akainu tried to cover the destruction of Dressrosa to save face.
Sengoku is morally superior(barely) to Akainu but as leaders, Akainu is better. Sengoku is very cautious and tactical while Akainu is very aggressive. In just 2 years he turned the Marines into a more effective and powerful organization despite all the internal and external chaos.
Sengoku is morally superior(barely) to Akainu but as leaders, Akainu is better. Sengoku is very cautious and tactical while Akainu is very aggressive. In just 2 years he turned the Marines into a more effective and powerful organization despite all the internal and external chaos.
Manga canon states directly the opposite, like it or not.
Sakazuki is a significantly more principled person than sengoku, both physically and mentally stronger. Sengoku did what he was told, Sakazuki follows his own moral compass, and doesn’t hesitate to chew out his superiors. Couldn’t fathom sengoku talking back to the Gorosei. Not questioning the WG was his mo. He was a decent military leader but was no Sakazuki, who actively made significant, unprecedented changes , like moving marine hq into the new world.
I’m not going to comment on the morality discussion. Most antagonists in one piece are literally cartoon villains.
Sakazuki is a significantly more principled person than sengoku, both physically and mentally stronger. Sengoku did what he was told, Sakazuki follows his own moral compass, and doesn’t hesitate to chew out his superiors. Couldn’t fathom sengoku talking back to the Gorosei. Not questioning the WG was his mo. He was a decent military leader but was no Sakazuki, who actively made significant, unprecedented changes , like moving marine hq into the new world.
I’m not going to comment on the morality discussion. Most antagonists in one piece are literally cartoon villains.
Seriously what is with people saying to hell with manga statements in favor of their own power levels when it comes to Marines?
Manga states that the Marines are stronger than before? Nah must be weaker cause me power levels.
Manga states the Emperors are a single world power and the Marines+Warlords counters them all? No it's now the Six Powers cause me power levels.
Manga states that Admirals can't fight properly without collateral? Nah that's headcannon cause me power levels.
Manga states that the Marines are stronger than before? Nah must be weaker cause me power levels.
Manga states the Emperors are a single world power and the Marines+Warlords counters them all? No it's now the Six Powers cause me power levels.
Manga states that Admirals can't fight properly without collateral? Nah that's headcannon cause me power levels.
This thread isn't meant to say Akainu has better morals than Sengoku, but what drives these men to take action
Both Sengoku and Akainu have committed atrocities, the difference is Akainu has solid principles and ideologies unlike Sengoku, who simply shuts his mouth and obeys the government just because. Akainu's ideology on the other hand, for the most part, aligns with the Government, and when it doesn't he's the first to confront them.
This strength of character that Akainu has translated to superior leadership of the Navy, he's simply superior to Sengoku in all categories
Both Sengoku and Akainu have committed atrocities, the difference is Akainu has solid principles and ideologies unlike Sengoku, who simply shuts his mouth and obeys the government just because. Akainu's ideology on the other hand, for the most part, aligns with the Government, and when it doesn't he's the first to confront them.
This strength of character that Akainu has translated to superior leadership of the Navy, he's simply superior to Sengoku in all categories
