Character Discussion Zoro is the most iconic swordsma in all of fiction.
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Not no 1 because he is not the mc
However in top 3
https://www.cbr.com/anime-swordsmen-iconic-ranked/
Who do you think you are to insult other people tastes
Like how out of reality you are
However in top 3
https://www.cbr.com/anime-swordsmen-iconic-ranked/
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Who do you think you are to insult other people tastes
Like how out of reality you are
He is not wrong on the fact that Zoro has been butchered as a character.
He has no motivation other than strength, no dilemma, no troubles, no nothing.
He just says cool badass one liners, teleports behind you *nothing personel kid.
Think Guts, Musashi, even Ichigo has more moral complexity than Zoro.
He has no motivation other than strength, no dilemma, no troubles, no nothing.
He just says cool badass one liners, teleports behind you *nothing personel kid.
Think Guts, Musashi, even Ichigo has more moral complexity than Zoro.
Ok you must be trolling me.
Do you even know what a moral dilemma is?
None of these events in ANY way troubled Zoro, nor posed a threat to his value as a person. All of the above mentioned issues were also ALL solved by just cutting stronger.
Zoro never doubts, actually this is spread across every character in the SHs mostly. SHs are always correct and always right, and enemies are ALWAYS wrong.
Zoro is one of the most simple because he's just a fighter, while for Usopp Oda did Enies Lobby arc.
Zoro had 0 arcs in 20 years. He's the same character that he was 20 years ago.
Do you want a moral dilemma? Read Vagabond, where Musashi has to realise that he's just a beast and starts a pattern for betterment.
Do you even know what a moral dilemma is?
None of these events in ANY way troubled Zoro, nor posed a threat to his value as a person. All of the above mentioned issues were also ALL solved by just cutting stronger.
Zoro never doubts, actually this is spread across every character in the SHs mostly. SHs are always correct and always right, and enemies are ALWAYS wrong.
Zoro is one of the most simple because he's just a fighter, while for Usopp Oda did Enies Lobby arc.
Zoro had 0 arcs in 20 years. He's the same character that he was 20 years ago.
Do you want a moral dilemma? Read Vagabond, where Musashi has to realise that he's just a beast and starts a pattern for betterment.
I'll take your concession.
Specially when your "complexity" claim is directly debunked by the local Zoro worshipper and expert.
Why bother proving you wrong when Zoro fans are the first to be proud about their characters being a hollow shell?
Specially when your "complexity" claim is directly debunked by the local Zoro worshipper and expert.
>To never doubt, that is Power.
Congratz Gai-chin, you found another reason why Zori is Power.
Congratz Gai-chin, you found another reason why Zori is Power.
Ichigo is a fucking loser
If there is anything iconic about Ichigo, it is for him being either a loser with blank, confused face that can't follow what's going on anymore
Or getting trolled so bad by the author
Imagine Luffy just gets his latest, EoS power up (let's say Gear 6) only to get lol diffed and embarassed by Imu's hax on G6's first debut.
Or Zoro finally makes his Wado a black blade only for Imu or Mihawk casually breaks the black Wado the next chapter.
Oda respects Zoro far more than Kubo respects Ichigo.
Lmfao Trunks
Kirito
Get that loser's name out of this thread
If there is anything iconic about Ichigo, it is for him being either a loser with blank, confused face that can't follow what's going on anymore
Or getting trolled so bad by the author
Imagine Luffy just gets his latest, EoS power up (let's say Gear 6) only to get lol diffed and embarassed by Imu's hax on G6's first debut.
Or Zoro finally makes his Wado a black blade only for Imu or Mihawk casually breaks the black Wado the next chapter.
Oda respects Zoro far more than Kubo respects Ichigo.
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Lmfao Trunks
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Kirito
Get that loser's name out of this thread
@Topi Jerami
It's about being an iconic swordsman, not your - invalid - opinion about who's a bigger loser lol. What you believe Ichigo to be is completely irrelevant to how the majority of the anime community views him. Not to mention that Ichigo has Quincy, Shinigami and Hollow power... He's very special in Bleach.
One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are the big 3 shonen and Ichigo is the face of this manga. It's no more obvious than that.
Either Ichigo has a comparable stance like Zoro to the public or both are equally trash at being iconic.
What's about "Lmfao Trunks"?
It's about being an iconic swordsman, not your - invalid - opinion about who's a bigger loser lol. What you believe Ichigo to be is completely irrelevant to how the majority of the anime community views him. Not to mention that Ichigo has Quincy, Shinigami and Hollow power... He's very special in Bleach.
One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are the big 3 shonen and Ichigo is the face of this manga. It's no more obvious than that.
Either Ichigo has a comparable stance like Zoro to the public or both are equally trash at being iconic.
What's about "Lmfao Trunks"?
Nobody really cares much about Ichigo in Bleach fandom. They care more about either Kenpachi, Byakuya, Aizen, Urahara or Grimmjhow. He is not even the face of Bleach.
The fact that he has Quincy, Shinigami, and Hollow power doesn't make him special if anything people dislike him more because they feel everything is just handed to Ichigo.
For comparison, if you have to pick one iconic scene about Ichigo, most people will pick the scene where Juha Bach casually trolled the shit out of Ichigo.
While for Zoro, most people will pick the Nothing Happened scene.
See? Ichigo is iconic for being a moron who got trolled by Juha Bach or the author. Zoro is iconic for protecting his captain.
Comparing character development:
It has been a while since I read Bleach, but I don't really remember character development for Ichigo. Aside from being stronger, there is not much difference among beginning of series Ichigo and EoS Ichigo's personality.
He was already kind, caring to his sisters and friends since the beginning. He was already stupid and easily made fun of by the likes of Yoruichi since the beginning. Nothing really changes EoS, still the same kind, caring, protective and same moron.
Post TS Zoro doesn't really develop much anymore. But beginning of series Zoro is different than before timeskip Zoro, from prioritizing his goal than Luffy's to bowing to Mihawk for Luffy's sake.
Trunks isn't really a swordsman, nor iconic. You can compare Zoro to Vegeta or Piccolo, but Trunks? Lol
Iirc people don't really give a shit about Ichigo @Sentinel
He was just trapped in fandom wars among IchiRuki and IchiHime.
Who is even this boy?
Honestly I never see this guy before until I came here and see certain nerd kept using this boy as his avatar.
The fact that he has Quincy, Shinigami, and Hollow power doesn't make him special if anything people dislike him more because they feel everything is just handed to Ichigo.
For comparison, if you have to pick one iconic scene about Ichigo, most people will pick the scene where Juha Bach casually trolled the shit out of Ichigo.
While for Zoro, most people will pick the Nothing Happened scene.
See? Ichigo is iconic for being a moron who got trolled by Juha Bach or the author. Zoro is iconic for protecting his captain.
Comparing character development:
It has been a while since I read Bleach, but I don't really remember character development for Ichigo. Aside from being stronger, there is not much difference among beginning of series Ichigo and EoS Ichigo's personality.
He was already kind, caring to his sisters and friends since the beginning. He was already stupid and easily made fun of by the likes of Yoruichi since the beginning. Nothing really changes EoS, still the same kind, caring, protective and same moron.
Post TS Zoro doesn't really develop much anymore. But beginning of series Zoro is different than before timeskip Zoro, from prioritizing his goal than Luffy's to bowing to Mihawk for Luffy's sake.
Trunks isn't really a swordsman, nor iconic. You can compare Zoro to Vegeta or Piccolo, but Trunks? Lol
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Iirc people don't really give a shit about Ichigo @Sentinel
He was just trapped in fandom wars among IchiRuki and IchiHime.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Honestly I never see this guy before until I came here and see certain nerd kept using this boy as his avatar.
Bro what are you talking about? Ichigo is one of the most popular characters in shonen jump. Sure, Kenpachi, Byakuya, Aizen, Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, Yhwach and Co are also very popular but Ichigo is the shonen face of his manga, for a good reason.
You're pretending like getting his sword cut by a broken godlike character is apparently an L but it does not change the fact that Ichigo also created lots of hype moments for the Bleach community as well. I'm not that invested in the Bleach community like you do but that's even more proof how the average anime fan views Ichigo.
Again, it's about being an iconic swordsman and not who's a better winning swordsman. Do I need to post the definition?
You're being unreasonable.
But Zoro is not the MC of a pirate manga, Ichigo is the face of his manga just like Naruto or Goku is. It's not just a popular manga, it's a popular manga about swordsman.
People will rather remember about Ichigo than Zoro. Heck, I'd say Mihawk probably has a better game at it.
Also, if you believe Aizen is more iconic than Ichigo, Zoro even has a harder way to be more iconic than Aizen. Bro is one of the most popular antagonists in the entire anime/manga community. Aizen being an iconic swordsman is without a question.
Irrelevant.
Authors don't judge how the majority of people think about their created character.
How is character development relevant again?
At that part, Guts beats both of them neg diff lol.
So why even bring up character development here?
Trunks is literally the first introduced Super Saiyan along with Goku who turned the previous antagonist of the Namek Saga, the universe emperor who genocided the entire Saiyan race, into a kebab and he wielded a sword.
DB characters are more famous than OP characters and they have a better shot at being more iconic than the most popular OP characters. I know several people knowing about some DB characters - they are not anime/manga fans whatsoever - try ask them the same thing about OP instead.
How can I compare Zoro to Vegeta or Piccolo? They are not swordsmen.
Sorry bro but I disagree.
Maybe Ichigo gets trashed in agenda based discussions but the average fan hardly thinks of him as the loser whose sword got cut by Yhwach lol.
He's especially popular for these two modes:
Topi-senpai, please tell me you're just trolling... There's no way you don't recognize these characters.
What's next, you don't know who Yoda or Darth Vader is?
You're pretending like getting his sword cut by a broken godlike character is apparently an L but it does not change the fact that Ichigo also created lots of hype moments for the Bleach community as well. I'm not that invested in the Bleach community like you do but that's even more proof how the average anime fan views Ichigo.
Again, it's about being an iconic swordsman and not who's a better winning swordsman. Do I need to post the definition?
You're being unreasonable.
But Zoro is not the MC of a pirate manga, Ichigo is the face of his manga just like Naruto or Goku is. It's not just a popular manga, it's a popular manga about swordsman.
People will rather remember about Ichigo than Zoro. Heck, I'd say Mihawk probably has a better game at it.
Also, if you believe Aizen is more iconic than Ichigo, Zoro even has a harder way to be more iconic than Aizen. Bro is one of the most popular antagonists in the entire anime/manga community. Aizen being an iconic swordsman is without a question.
Irrelevant.
Authors don't judge how the majority of people think about their created character.
How is character development relevant again?
At that part, Guts beats both of them neg diff lol.
So why even bring up character development here?
Trunks is literally the first introduced Super Saiyan along with Goku who turned the previous antagonist of the Namek Saga, the universe emperor who genocided the entire Saiyan race, into a kebab and he wielded a sword.
DB characters are more famous than OP characters and they have a better shot at being more iconic than the most popular OP characters. I know several people knowing about some DB characters - they are not anime/manga fans whatsoever - try ask them the same thing about OP instead.
How can I compare Zoro to Vegeta or Piccolo? They are not swordsmen.
Sorry bro but I disagree.
Maybe Ichigo gets trashed in agenda based discussions but the average fan hardly thinks of him as the loser whose sword got cut by Yhwach lol.
He's especially popular for these two modes:
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Topi-senpai, please tell me you're just trolling... There's no way you don't recognize these characters.
What's next, you don't know who Yoda or Darth Vader is?
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