Powers & Abilities Luffy has only used one adv coc attack on Egghead. Zoro has yet to use any adv coc attack on egghead or only used it once

[grey matter]

Ain’t it weird how characters that don’t have ACoC never create lightning like this.

When has Sanji ever used lightning like this?
Kid?
Law?

The best you can argue is that it’s ACoA and not ACoC. I think the one and only time we saw ACoA users do something like this was when the scabbards did togen totsuka. But that was 4 scabbards doing a combined move meant to imitate Oden’s, who did have ACoC.

Large amount of lightning just signifies high concentration of haki.

We saw that with Doflamingo, Katakuri, Lucci. None of them advanced conqueror's users.

We see large amount of lightning often with advanced conqueror's users, well simply because they tend to be big haki users themselves, be it regular armament, advanced armament or advanced conqueror's

 

[SkySanji]

Zenzu says, Kizaru performed better than he originally expected


What do you mean haki is not leaking?

Damn, his expectations must have been rock-bottom then

 

[grey matter]

Zenzu says, Kizaru did better than he originally expected


What do you mean haki is not leaking?

In some ways he did though.

I couldn't have imagined him making a complete joke out of G4 snakeman in CQC
His defence/barriers have surprisingly exceeded expectations as well.

However his attack power (aside from light saber), and especially his durability, have been a let down.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Damn, his expectations must have been rock-bottom then

Its true for most admiral fans - they have lower expectations from admirals than us. I remember telling Lee or somebody that Kuzan wont lose to Garp at Hachinosu - he was scared Oda will have Garp destroy Kuzan lmao

I couldn't have imagined him making a complete joke out of G4 snakeman in CQC

Apart from the fact that Luffy had no AdCoC in G4 snakeman. The fight had no intensity. It was like a joke. Just compare Luffy's fight against Kaido.

However his attack power (aside from light saber), and especially his durability, have been a let down.

AP is the most important stat for me and his AP is trash

 

[Dcbluffy]

On a ship sleeping so Nika & co will be able to escape Egghead
Where your self-respect?

u mean he is on the ship hiding from luffy so he can safely make his way bck to the navy hq

 

[grey matter]

Apart from the fact that Luffy had no AdCoC in G4 snakeman. The fight had no intensity. It was like a joke. Just compare Luffy's fight against Kaido.

Point was that Kizaru could easily deal with G4 snakeman's CQC.

If he had used advanced conqueror's, yes I don't think Kizaru could casually block, like he did during the fight. He would have to resort to dodging, which is also possible given that he has the highest mobility in the verse.

AP is the most important stat for me and his AP is trash

Yes, his attack power is trash with random lasers and kicks.

But not with his light sword.
It was portrayed to be troublesome to G5 Luffy, and was portrayed to be capable of killing Kuma and Bonney in one shot if landed.
With this sword, he can fight Rayleigh (who is known for his haki) in swordsmanship

When comparing attack power, we should use the highest output for comparison instead of the anti feats.

 

[ZenZu]

In some ways he did though.

I couldn't have imagined him making a complete joke out of G4 snakeman in CQC
His defence/barriers have surprisingly exceeded expectations as well.

However his attack power (aside from light saber), and especially his durability, have been a let down.

Yea I already explained why. I had G4 Snakeman beating Kizaru entering this arc. Kizaru babyshaked.

 

[Dragon777]

AP is the most important stat for me and his AP is trash

And since he barely used moves, I am not that surprised.
But the fact he matched Ray Is more than enough.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

We're back to discussing lightning shape, lightning trails, lightning thickness, etc.

The blame is purely on the author.

Fuck Loda for giving the most powerful ability that only handful of the strongest have, pretty much similar visuals as regular armament haki that even fodder have.

lol it is ain’t author fault , it is retarded fanbase. Oda repeated luffy is alway went all out snd fight seriously.

Oda expevt people use common sense . Luffy is already coc user and know advanced coc user . He is ain’t drawing black lighting all time. In anime , luffy use acoc on SSG kuma , you don’t see black lighting in manga but anime knew luffy character who won’t hold back on fighting enemies.

Bte base luffy use acoc on kizaru

We never see black lighting coc from luffy on gorosei . Theses gorosei wanker tell us they are pirate king level easily. Does it mean luffy never took Gorosei seriously as author logic ? Btw luffy hurt himself on warcury .

We already see it happen in wano when coc attack don’t show blacking lighting
base yaamto on hybrid kaido

you don’t see lighting from zoro yet king went panic mode .

 

[BlackLegFring]

Now it’s on to Kizaru?

Who predicted that Luffy would need the help of someone else to feed him to even get up after a round with Kizaru…while Kizaru himself was standing around with his hands in his pockets and Luffy’s friends at his mercy?

It’s too late for y’all liars to pretend otherwise, especially those who claimed Gear 5 wouldn’t be needed, or would fight Zoro/Sanji instead.

 

[Salah WG]

Non-Gear 5 ---> Adv CoC Attacks make No Contact
Gear 5 ---> Adv CoC Attacks turn Enemy into Rubber

So since this Arc started:

Gear 5 Equally Clashed with Lucci --- No CoC
Gear 5 Mogura Pistol against Lucci --- No CoC
Gear 5 Dawn Whip against Lucci --- No CoC
Gear 5 Dawn Rocket against Lucci --- Adv. CoC Used

Gear 4 Kong Gun against S-Bear --- No CoC
Gear 4 Kong Organ against S-Bear --- No CoC
Gear 2 Hawk Gatling against S-Bear --- No CoC

Base Luffy Clashed with Kizaru --- No CoC
Gear 4 Snakeman Python Attacks against Kizaru --- Not Clear (Need Anime)
Gear 5 grabbing & throwing Kizaru away --- No CoC
Gear 5 Dawn Stamp against Kizaru Clones --- No CoC
Gear 5 Star Gun against Kizaru --- Adv. CoC Used

Gear 5 Punch against Kizaru --- No CoC
Gear 5 Dawn Gatling against Saturn --- No CoC
Gear 5 Dawn Cymbal against Kizaru & Saturn --- Adv. CoC Used
Gear 5 throwing Saturn's Projectiles back at him --- No CoC

Gear 5 throwing a Building in Jupiter's Mouth --- No CoC
Gear 3 Red Roc against Warcury --- No CoC
Gear 5 Giant Punch against Warcury --- Not clear (Need Anime)
Gear 5 Dawn Fusen against Mars --- No CoC
Gear 5 Punch against Jupiter --- No CoC

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Luffy have used Adv. CoC at least Three Times this Arc
And Possibly Four or Five (At Most)

As for Zoro, when He uses Adv. CoC, Sword Style turns into Sword Dragon Style
And so far, He didn't use Adv. CoC at all this Arc

 

[Sentry22]

In some ways he did though.

I couldn't have imagined him making a complete joke out of G4 snakeman in CQC
His defence/barriers have surprisingly exceeded expectations as well.

However his attack power (aside from light saber), and especially his durability, have been a let down.

Why do people assume G4 was made a joke by Kizaru? The man landed a single attack which he had to charge up to move at highest speeds to land in the first place. Even then Luffy had no clue what was happening. Kizaru just flew away only to fly back. How is this an indication that Kizaru was making a joke out of snakeman? During their exchanges Kizaru had acknowledged Luffy to be strong.

 

[SkySanji]

Why do people assume G4 was made a joke by Kizaru? The man landed a single attack which he had to charge up to move at highest speeds to land in the first place. Even then Luffy had no clue what was happening. Kizaru just flew away only to fly back. How is this an indication that Kizaru was making a joke out of snakeman? During their exchanges Kizaru had acknowledged Luffy to be strong.

It's real strange, non-ACoC G4 and Kizaru were practically even in the little exchange we saw, Luffy was dodging every single laser and Kizaru was blocking every punch, the only thing that landed was Kizaru's super charged kick.

 

[grey matter]

Why do people assume G4 was made a joke by Kizaru? The man landed a single attack which he had to charge up to move at highest speeds to land in the first place. Even then Luffy had no clue what was happening. Kizaru just flew away only to fly back. How is this an indication that Kizaru was making a joke out of snakeman? During their exchanges Kizaru had acknowledged Luffy to be strong.

The way the entire thing was portrayed.
- Kizaru was casually blocking everything Snakeman threw at him, while keeping his troll face
- Kizaru perception blitzed Luffy and kicked him off

Kizaru undeniably came off looking considerably better in CQC than G4 Snakeman.

When we consider that Kizaru was doing well against even G5 in CQC, it is to be expected though. G5 is better in CQC than G4 Snakeman.

It's real strange, non-ACoC G4 and Kizaru were practically even in the little exchange we saw, Luffy was dodging every single laser and Kizaru was blocking every punch, the only thing that landed was Kizaru's super charged kick.

I am talking about just CQC as a standalone here.

Of course Kizaru won't be able to just casually block the attacks if they had advanced conqueror's. He would need to dodge most likely.
That isn't the point though

 

[MonsterKaido]

The way the entire thing was portrayed.
- Kizaru was casually blocking everything Snakeman threw at him, while keeping his troll face
- Kizaru perception blitzed Luffy and kicked him off

Kizaru undeniably came off looking considerably better in CQC than G4 Snakeman.

When we consider that Kizaru was doing well against even G5 in CQC, it is to be expected though. G5 is better in CQC than G4 Snakeman.


I am talking about just CQC as a standalone here.

Of course Kizaru won't be able to just casually block the attacks if they had advanced conqueror's. He would need to dodge most likely.
That isn't the point though

--But coating attacks with adv coc makes a huge difference though. Adv coc is a big multiplier.

--Also Kizaru does not always uses his speed constantly and moves in a liner path for most part where snakeman's attacks are multi directional. He also never got around snakeman's punches , luffy stopped punching when Kizaru took off. But he can get out of the path of attack probably rather than blocking it.

 

[grey matter]

--But coating attacks with adv coc makes a huge difference though. Adv coc is a big multiplier.

--Also Kizaru does not always uses his speed constantly and moves in a liner path for most part where snakeman's attacks are multi directional. He also never got around snakeman's punches , luffy stopped punching when Kizaru took off. But he can get out of the path of attack probably rather than blocking it.

-- The point is simply comparing CQC alone, as I mentioned.
We all expected Kizaru to have the best mobility/pure speed. Him also having amongst the best CQC was not something I expected.
As I mentioned already, kizaru likely won't be able to casually block if Luffy used advanced conqueror's, he would likely need to dodge.

-- He perception blitzed someone as perceptive as Luffy. Luffy was looking straight, as shown by Oda literally drawing his line of sight.
Kizaru left before Luffy even realized it had happened.
Luffy "stopped punching" because Kizaru moved away before Luffy even realized what had happened.
That is arguably the most impressive speed flex I've ever seen in this manga.

 

[gz89]

I think Oda is just lazy and doesnt draw acoc everytime. Could be wrong tho.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I think Oda is just lazy and doesnt draw acoc everytime. Could be wrong tho.

I think that Oda honestly just doesn’t know what he’s doing…or doesn’t care half as much as some fans do

 

[Dcbluffy]

It's real strange, non-ACoC G4 and Kizaru were practically even in the little exchange

base luffy w armament haki was even able to blitz n make kizaru block it’s no doubt he could’ve kept fighting n g4 just would’ve been a longer drawn out fight n the situation they were n luffy must’ve went g5 to finish the job quicker I’m thinking

 

[BigAmmi]

That's not proof of advCoC either, he was doing the same against Katakuri.

We know it's 99% CoC cause Kaidou said it was, and it looked no different visually against Kizaru (other than looking far stronger).

Exactly

And this happen because haki is the worst ability in shonen manga history and even oda doesn't know how to properly draw it lmao

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I think Oda is just lazy and doesnt draw acoc everytime. Could be wrong tho.