Chapter Discussion Luffy needs a prosthetic wing because one of them is broken.

[MonsterKaido]

not seeing a single drop of blood doesnt mean 0 damage was done
luffy literally had a huge bulge on his head after that clearly indicating damage

kaido was able to make luffy bleed with random swings ffs

very fuckin convenient for him to reach that stage right after taking one of kaido's strongest attacks


he had a huge bulge on his head
thats damage showed in a looney toon way

thats not even gear5
both of us know that the way g5 shows damage is very different cause of its looney toon powers

its gear5


or he is simply taking damage in both of these forms
luffy also went to his 2nd g5 transformation with a lot of willpower by mentioning kinemon,tama and pedro

nope

- he goes back to his base form
- falls on his back
- is visibly shaking
- started huffing for the first time
- has a huge bulge on his head
- grunting even after the attack has been received

this is damage

Kaido has been the only one to put luffy out of G5 mid battle with an attack

 

[kumae]

Zoro is at YC+ level. Luffy is Yonko-level. Zoro is not close to Luffy. If Luffy were to go against his entire crew, he would still win. If you ever wanted an example of how far Luffy is above the rest of his crew in Gear 5, he told them to go all out in hitting him, and he just gave an "ow". Random attacks from Kaido got more of a reaction from him in Gear 5.

Zoro and Sanji are relative.

Zoro has always been closer to Sanji, and Egghead isn't any different. The strongest enemy in any given arc is usually in a completely different league of strength than their #2 and #3, so Luffy beating them while Zoro and Sanji handle the #2 and #3 should make it pretty clear who Zoro's closer to.

A battle between Zoro and Sanji is an extreme diff fight. Just because Zoro has better AP doesn't mean the battle is any less than extreme. If Zoro has AP, then Sanji has speed. It doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't land a hit on your opponent.

Just compare both interactions against Nusjuro: Sanji was able to blitz Nusjuro, while Zoro was simply not able to do the same even with Jinbe's help. Then we also have the fact that Sanji casually reacted to a light laser from Kizaru, while Zoro admitted he couldn't block a laser.

Zoro will eventually come on top since he will land attacks at some point (and also due to ACOC), and then Zoro will turn it into an extreme difference for him instead of a 50/50 on who wins. But Sanji, to that point, would've already landed several kicks on Zoro, which would've done massive damage to him.

It's extreme diff no matter how you see it. Zoro wins, but it's very close.

This is just sad cope
-#2 and #3 don't have to be close King have durability over his captain for example
-You forgot ( in purpose most likely) that lanji was bit diff by nasujuro next pannel and zoro is clashing equally with his haki
-about lasers zoro was talking that dinosaur beak move it at speed of light zoro swords most likely can block it

 

[Kiiro]

If you think Luffys 3rd strongest is low diff material to Roger’s 3rd strongest you are.

Who is their 3rd strongest?

 

[Halyup]

Who is their 3rd strongest?

Oden is their 3rd strongest
And he can low diff Sanji

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Who is their 3rd strongest?

Oden

 

[kumae]

Oden

So Oden > Gaban (a wing)

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So Oden > Gaban (a wing)

Odens the only one of the two we’ve seen who’s a top tier and at best the number 3 cause I don’t think he’s above Rayleigh.

 

[Kiiro]

Oden

Oden

And from Luffy?

 

[grey matter]

not enough to be put there , blud needs to work his ass to have himself above Katakuri level .

Also i'm not even sure if this mf can beat Post TS Gear 4th Luffy .

I disagree with the idea that Sanji is stronger than people like Katakuri but this thread is not the place to discuss that.

I'm just saying it's debatable at least.

Anyway, point was that he's well clear of the regular commanders, only RHM are debatable or above him.
So, it's unfair to judge him as simply a YC2. This is what people do to Zoro as well, when he is well clear of the average YC1s

 

[DonWick]

I'm just saying it's debatable at least.

Anyway, point was that he's well clear of the regular commanders, only RHM are debatable or above him.
So, it's unfair to judge him as simply a YC2. This is what people do to Zoro as well, when he is well clear of the average YC1s

The only way you can argue any of that is by downplaying therefore it isn’t arguable. Sanjis never fought one and did half way decent. Every YC1 would have performed better in Egghead. Your only talking about Katakuri because you don’t value FS however Katakuri has better feats.

 

[grey matter]

The only way you can argue any of that is by downplaying therefore it isn’t arguable. Sanjis never fought one and did half way decent. Every YC1 would have performed better in Egghead. Your only talking about Katakuri because you don’t value FS however Katakuri has better feats.

I'm talking about Katakuri because he got powercrept pretty hard, it has nothing to do with Future sight, I have already agreed many times that FS is situationally broken. Issue with Katakuri was never his CQC, but his other stats which when compared to current strong characters look WEAK.
The version of Luffy, who was relative in power to him, got blitz and one-shot by base Kaido. Kaido treated him like an insect and mocked him. Meaning, a thunder bagua from base Kaido one shots Katakuri the moment it lands, given that the only stat post WCI Luffy was truly above Katakuri, was in durability.

The gap between rooftop Luffy and post WCI Luffy is massive.
Current Sanji is debatable with Katakuri (only because his attack power also has now been exposed), and is outright stronger than post WCI Luffy. Sanji's portrayal won't allow him to be weaker than post WCI Luffy, who current Luffy can no diff one shot.

Also @Fleet Leader Fenaker , current Sanji stomps out-of-TS G4 Luffy, come on there is a limit to downplay lmao

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Roger power house were Roger , Rayleigh and Oden.

That's it. None other were aware infamous for strength.
Roger - Luffy Monkey D.(ickridden by everyone) Nika
Zoro >>> Oden Sue (who LOda dickrode harder than Roger himself) > Not-Strawhat Larpamato
Rayleigh - Jinbei
Crocus - Sanji

ftfy

Roger Pirates sans Oden Sue are all nihilistic fraud bums now anyway. Loda basically shit on them horribly after Vegapunk's message.

 

[JoNdule]

Either you accept Gorosei as frauds to be blitzed and hurt by sanji's unnamed kick easily ...nesujuro lost a teeth

Or

You accept Luffy destroys gorosei 1v1
Cause Luffy can take HM easily

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I'm talking about Katakuri because he got powercrept pretty hard, it has nothing to do with Future sight, I have already agreed many times that FS is situationally broken. Issue with Katakuri was never his CQC, but his other stats which when compared to current strong characters look WEAK.
The version of Luffy, who was relative in power to him, got blitz and one-shot by base Kaido. Kaido treated him like an insect and mocked him. Meaning, a thunder bagua from base Kaido one shots Katakuri the moment it lands, given that the only stat post WCI Luffy was truly above Katakuri, was in durability.

The gap between rooftop Luffy and post WCI Luffy is massive.
Current Sanji is debatable with Katakuri (only because his attack power also has now been exposed), and is outright stronger than post WCI Luffy. Sanji's portrayal won't allow him to be weaker than post WCI Luffy, who current Luffy can no diff one shot.

Also @Fleet Leader Fenaker , current Sanji stomps out-of-TS G4 Luffy, come on there is a limit to downplay lmao

Kaido never blitzed and onshotted fs Luffy
Also Rooftip Luffy went through training, so he was strong.

The gap isnt massive, you just suck at scaling like every zoro fan suck at scaling

 

[Poorsalino Cooker]

Also @Fleet Leader Fenaker , current Sanji stomps out-of-TS G4 Luffy, come on there is a limit to downplay lmao

Downplaying Sanji has become a meme that some started taking too seriously when you see haters claiming that Sanji loses to Chopper. Its not even honest debating anymore.

I don't even like powerscaling since it feels useless on a manga like One Piece since its clear LOda puts no thought into it (much like his story and characters since Wano and prob the timeskip), but the way some talk about Sanji isn't even powerscaling, it just comes off as low-effort trolling. You're one of the few here who at least tries to be an informative and unbiased power-scaler on the matter and I genuinely respect that.

Either you accept Gorosei as frauds to be blitzed and hurt by sanji's unnamed kick easily ...nesujuro lost a teeth

Or

You accept Luffy destroys gorosei 1v1
Cause Luffy can take HM easily

Post automatically merged: Jun 29, 2024

Kaido never blitzed and onshotted fs Luffy
Also Rooftip Luffy went through training, so he was strong.

The gap isnt massive, you just suck at scaling like every zoro fan suck at scaling

inb4 "b-but Lanji sucker punched Ghandi! Its a dirty trick and doesn't count because Ghandi was chatting on skype!"

 

[Zemlya]

Sanjitards when sanji made nusjuro cough some blood (Bonney made Saturn bleed and brook cut off his leg)

 

[Juanpiz]

Sanjitards when sanji made nusjuro cough some blood (Bonney made Saturn bleed and brook cut off his leg)

Almost dead kuma Punched Saturn Into a Building

 

[Tai long]

You guys are expecting to much from a yc2 character. cracker, or queen can't also hurt luffy

 

[HA001]

You guys are expecting to much from a yc2 character. cracker, or queen can't also hurt luffy

That's the point of this thread they said he wasn't yc2 but way stronger

 

[Tai long]

That's the point of this thread they said he wasn't yc2 but way stronger

I think everyone accepted that sanji is just yc2+ and below all yc1 characters except maybe marco

 

[Kiiro]

I'm talking about Katakuri because he got powercrept pretty hard, it has nothing to do with Future sight, I have already agreed many times that FS is situationally broken. Issue with Katakuri was never his CQC, but his other stats which when compared to current strong characters look WEAK.
The version of Luffy, who was relative in power to him, got blitz and one-shot by base Kaido. Kaido treated him like an insect and mocked him. Meaning, a thunder bagua from base Kaido one shots Katakuri the moment it lands, given that the only stat post WCI Luffy was truly above Katakuri, was in durability.

The gap between rooftop Luffy and post WCI Luffy is massive.
Current Sanji is debatable with Katakuri (only because his attack power also has now been exposed), and is outright stronger than post WCI Luffy. Sanji's portrayal won't allow him to be weaker than post WCI Luffy, who current Luffy can no diff one shot.

Also @Fleet Leader Fenaker , current Sanji stomps out-of-TS G4 Luffy, come on there is a limit to downplay lmao

Kaido 1 shotting Luffy was just for story progress. We all know that, Kaido didnt 1 shot Zoro, Law, Kinemon, Luffy with the same tech, Yamato, etc.