Chapter Discussion Luffy needs a prosthetic wing because one of them is broken.
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That's because the story wants it to be like that? The scene needed is that there's enough force to fling the Elder so far away.
If Ifrit HM damages Luffy, Luffy got hurt, then fail to fly the Elder, would the fandom praise Sanji's AP to be good? No, they will blame Sanji for messing things up.
Besides, if you think it positively, that's a feat instead, not a new low. His attack generates enough power to help Luffy fly the enemy, where previously Luffy's attack only fly an Elder not so far.
If Ifrit HM damages Luffy, Luffy got hurt, then fail to fly the Elder, would the fandom praise Sanji's AP to be good? No, they will blame Sanji for messing things up.
Besides, if you think it positively, that's a feat instead, not a new low. His attack generates enough power to help Luffy fly the enemy, where previously Luffy's attack only fly an Elder not so far.
Fans can still discuss/debate/talk 5W1H something happens, but it must follow/based on principle(s). Otherwise it'll be a mess.
In this case, the scenario is "fling an Elder with a bounce", then the "bounce" must happen.
So here, in order for the bounce to happen, even if you add 10 Garp punching at Luffy, you must accept that Luffy won't be injured and fail to bounce.
Hence why gauging/scoring Sanji's attack on Luffy is pointless, because Luffy will still take/tank it anyway, no matter how strong Sanji is.
To me it's still a hype for Sanji, he (greatly) assists in flinging an Elder.
Yeah. The treatment for Ifrit HM is questionable, but then it's more on Oda rather than it's on Sanji. For some reason the fandom (once again) blame Sanji instead of Oda.
Also, to me, it can still be a good thing. This Ifrit HM only took 2 panels. No prep, no flashback scenes, no angry Sanji expression.
It could either mean, Ifrit HM can be spammed (2 panels and happens), or Ifrit HM isn't Sanji's strongest move (no solo panels).
In fact, all Finishers/strongest move from a character is never done in a combo. Ie: Bajrang Gun isn't done in combo, Ashura isn't done in combo.
In this case, the scenario is "fling an Elder with a bounce", then the "bounce" must happen.
So here, in order for the bounce to happen, even if you add 10 Garp punching at Luffy, you must accept that Luffy won't be injured and fail to bounce.
Hence why gauging/scoring Sanji's attack on Luffy is pointless, because Luffy will still take/tank it anyway, no matter how strong Sanji is.
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To me it's still a hype for Sanji, he (greatly) assists in flinging an Elder.
Yeah. The treatment for Ifrit HM is questionable, but then it's more on Oda rather than it's on Sanji. For some reason the fandom (once again) blame Sanji instead of Oda.
Also, to me, it can still be a good thing. This Ifrit HM only took 2 panels. No prep, no flashback scenes, no angry Sanji expression.
It could either mean, Ifrit HM can be spammed (2 panels and happens), or Ifrit HM isn't Sanji's strongest move (no solo panels).
In fact, all Finishers/strongest move from a character is never done in a combo. Ie: Bajrang Gun isn't done in combo, Ashura isn't done in combo.
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If a full power ragnarok and other full momentum advCoC shots to the head from Hybrid Kaidou were getting memed on and couldn't shed a single drop of blood, what made you think Sanji would do something against a Fuusen enhanced G5?
The only bad look for Sanji this chapter was his move being wasted on a group project, not outdoing Kaidou's attacks is ok.
It wasn’t irrelevant
Zoro is at YC+ level. Luffy is Yonko-level. Zoro is not close to Luffy. If Luffy were to go against his entire crew, he would still win. If you ever wanted an example of how far Luffy is above the rest of his crew in Gear 5, he told them to go all out in hitting him, and he just gave an "ow". Random attacks from Kaido got more of a reaction from him in Gear 5.
Zoro and Sanji are relative.
Zoro has always been closer to Sanji, and Egghead isn't any different. The strongest enemy in any given arc is usually in a completely different league of strength than their #2 and #3, so Luffy beating them while Zoro and Sanji handle the #2 and #3 should make it pretty clear who Zoro's closer to.
A battle between Zoro and Sanji is an extreme diff fight. Just because Zoro has better AP doesn't mean the battle is any less than extreme. If Zoro has AP, then Sanji has speed. It doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't land a hit on your opponent.
Just compare both interactions against Nusjuro: Sanji was able to blitz Nusjuro, while Zoro was simply not able to do the same even with Jinbe's help. Then we also have the fact that Sanji casually reacted to a light laser from Kizaru, while Zoro admitted he couldn't block a laser.
Zoro will eventually come on top since he will land attacks at some point (and also due to ACOC), and then Zoro will turn it into an extreme difference for him instead of a 50/50 on who wins. But Sanji, to that point, would've already landed several kicks on Zoro, which would've done massive damage to him.
It's extreme diff no matter how you see it. Zoro wins, but it's very close.
Zoro and Sanji are relative.
Zoro has always been closer to Sanji, and Egghead isn't any different. The strongest enemy in any given arc is usually in a completely different league of strength than their #2 and #3, so Luffy beating them while Zoro and Sanji handle the #2 and #3 should make it pretty clear who Zoro's closer to.
A battle between Zoro and Sanji is an extreme diff fight. Just because Zoro has better AP doesn't mean the battle is any less than extreme. If Zoro has AP, then Sanji has speed. It doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't land a hit on your opponent.
Just compare both interactions against Nusjuro: Sanji was able to blitz Nusjuro, while Zoro was simply not able to do the same even with Jinbe's help. Then we also have the fact that Sanji casually reacted to a light laser from Kizaru, while Zoro admitted he couldn't block a laser.
Zoro will eventually come on top since he will land attacks at some point (and also due to ACOC), and then Zoro will turn it into an extreme difference for him instead of a 50/50 on who wins. But Sanji, to that point, would've already landed several kicks on Zoro, which would've done massive damage to him.
It's extreme diff no matter how you see it. Zoro wins, but it's very close.
? Not a single drop of blood, memed on with an ouchie...use common sense Luffy reached his stamina limit at that time. Did he suffer this magical internal damage that Oda didn't bother to show? Attributing him exiting G5 solely due to Ragnarok is not only headcanon, it's illogical.
This is how Oda draws Luffy getting knocked out of a state
Not whatever the hell that was. And we've seen Death Destroyer TB rock G5 Luffy, so don't say it's some G5 exclusive thing where he's taking no damage and suddenly got knocked out of his state, Ragnarok simply didn't do any meaningful damage it was never presented to do so, Luffy was running on fumes.
This is how Oda draws Luffy getting knocked out of a state
Sanji veteran level confirmed?
I might drop it to lol that’s wild. But just know I’d talk mad shit before dropping it lol
Every one knew this except the Sanji fans who constantly place him at YC1. The fact that they deny this is why I’m trashing him.
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I might drop it to lol that’s wild. But just know I’d talk mad shit before dropping it lol
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Every one knew this except the Sanji fans who constantly place him at YC1. The fact that they deny this is why I’m trashing him.
not seeing a single drop of blood doesnt mean 0 damage was done
luffy literally had a huge bulge on his head after that clearly indicating damage
kaido was able to make luffy bleed with random swings ffs
very fuckin convenient for him to reach that stage right after taking one of kaido's strongest attacks
he had a huge bulge on his head
thats damage showed in a looney toon way
thats not even gear5
both of us know that the way g5 shows damage is very different cause of its looney toon powers
its gear5
or he is simply taking damage in both of these forms
luffy also went to his 2nd g5 transformation with a lot of willpower by mentioning kinemon,tama and pedro
nope
- he goes back to his base form
- falls on his back
- is visibly shaking
- started huffing for the first time
- has a huge bulge on his head
- grunting even after the attack has been received
this is damage
luffy literally had a huge bulge on his head after that clearly indicating damage
kaido was able to make luffy bleed with random swings ffs
very fuckin convenient for him to reach that stage right after taking one of kaido's strongest attacks
he had a huge bulge on his head
thats damage showed in a looney toon way
thats not even gear5
both of us know that the way g5 shows damage is very different cause of its looney toon powers
its gear5
or he is simply taking damage in both of these forms
luffy also went to his 2nd g5 transformation with a lot of willpower by mentioning kinemon,tama and pedro
nope
- he goes back to his base form
- falls on his back
- is visibly shaking
- started huffing for the first time
- has a huge bulge on his head
- grunting even after the attack has been received
this is damage
not seeing a single drop of blood doesnt mean 0 damage was done
luffy literally had a huge bulge on his head after that clearly indicating damage
kaido was able to make luffy bleed with random swings ffs
very fuckin convenient for him to reach that stage right after taking one of kaido's strongest attacks
he had a huge bulge on his head
thats damage showed in a looney toon way
thats not even gear5
both of us know that the way g5 shows damage is very different cause of its looney toon powers
its gear5
or he is simply taking damage in both of these forms
luffy also went to his 2nd g5 transformation with a lot of willpower by mentioning kinemon,tama and pedro
nope
- he goes back to his base form
- falls on his back
- is visibly shaking
- started huffing for the first time
- has a huge bulge on his head
- grunting even after the attack has been received
this is damage
luffy literally had a huge bulge on his head after that clearly indicating damage
kaido was able to make luffy bleed with random swings ffs
very fuckin convenient for him to reach that stage right after taking one of kaido's strongest attacks
he had a huge bulge on his head
thats damage showed in a looney toon way
thats not even gear5
both of us know that the way g5 shows damage is very different cause of its looney toon powers
its gear5
or he is simply taking damage in both of these forms
luffy also went to his 2nd g5 transformation with a lot of willpower by mentioning kinemon,tama and pedro
nope
- he goes back to his base form
- falls on his back
- is visibly shaking
- started huffing for the first time
- has a huge bulge on his head
- grunting even after the attack has been received
this is damage
The fact of the matter is Ragnarok was not presented as more than an ouchie, you don't get an ouchie that knocks you out of a state, it would have been presented as much more devastating if that was Oda's intention. Luffy simply reached his limit ragnorak could contribute to it that's the best you're getting.