Speculations How will SHPs surpass Roger Pirates?

#1
This is a question that has been coming to my mind recently or whenever I come across that Roger vs WB video.

We have taken this for a fact based on general shonen trope that the heroes will surpass previous record setters/legends the most notable of which is Naruto surpassing all previous Hokages (there are probably many more examples but idk). There are obviously others where the heroes dont surpass like Edward in FMA (I think his father was still an overall stronger alchemist, idk though maybe I am forgetting things I watched it way back).

But in case of OP we are certain that Luffy will surpass all previous legends like Nika, Joyboy, Roger etc.

The problem though is that the crew that reached Laugh Tale would decimate, utterly destroy current SHPs. You have three ACoC swordsmen (they are all pretty much relative/equal/in the same tier), not to mention all the others like Gaban, Crocus etc. I know most dont want to count Oden as part of RPs but the crew that reached Laugh Tale included Oden and without him they could never reach Laugh Tale.

As of now only Zoro is an ACoC swordsman in the crew and given that Luffy is weak to slashes he is very susceptible to fall to the likes of top tier swordsmen like Roger. Even high balling Luffy and Zoro and saying they can stalemate Roger and Ray, that still leaves Oden who I think would wipe the floor with the rest of the SHPs alone. We dont even need to add Gaban or Crocus in the conversation.

Even if we go by setting things in a 1v1 way, the Roger Pirates had like 40+ crew members IIRC and you can be pretty sure that these guys would be at the minimum Vet level if they are part of the PK crew. How will the mid trio and weak trio deal with these numbers of vet level characters.

Now lets add Yamato to equalize the number of ACoC users and still it doesnt tilt in favor of SHPs as I think nobody ranks Yamato equal to Luffy/Zoro much less Roger/Ray/Oden.

The other thing is that we are being drawn towards more and more very strong core crews like RHPs and BBPs but even if we compare to those the rest of the SHPs still look weak in comparison (at least against RHPs).
 
#5
Sanji will never be over ray . Look at how Oda portrays an old ray . Sanji gets anything that makes you think thatโ€™s in th3 cards for him?
  1. Luffyโ€™s crew will surpass Rogerโ€™s
  2. Sanji will end up being a top tier
  3. Rayleigh is basically Rogerโ€™s beckman/killer Sanji will surpass them too
    • And yes zoro will obviously be even stronger
 
#6
What did the Roger Pirates even do?
Their biggest rival got offed by a storm.
They dodged BM to get a poneglyph.
WB did not give a shit and let Roger do whatever he wanted.
No one at that time cared what Laugh Tale even is.
Went to Sky Island and instead of resolving a century old conflict they just scrabbled some dumb shit on an artifact.
After going to Laugh Tale unhindered they realize that they are too inept to do anything about it.
Roger then gets killed by a boo boo and the Roger Pirates disband.
Each of them goes into hiding and being useless.
Roger had to ask Garp to take care of his kid.
His kid, in true Gol D. fashion, gets himself killed before accomplishing anything.

Come again?
How is it hard to surpass THAT?

Even Vegapunks interrupted broadcast did more than the Roger Pirates.
 
#7
Beside Luffy and Zoro no one will surpass or at least they dont deserve to surpass Roger Pirates unless all the members were fodders like Usopp and Chopper and they relied to Roger, Ray, Gaban. Not counting Oden because he didnt stay long and iirc they didnt engage in any serious battle when he was with them.

Sanji will probably reach top tier realm but i cant see him surpassing Rayleigh tbh.
 
#8
Simple.
Don't count Oden. He was not a true member of RP, he was Whitebeard's RHM and little brother that was temporarily lent.

Gaban was clearly portrayed as Roger's no3 and had some dynamics with Rayleigh. He's clearly the Sanji of Roger pirates, just without the toxic part of the Zoro/Sanji dynamics (yet).
Gaban was probably comparable to admirals, and Sanji will definitely match/surpass all admirals except Akainu.

Anyway, Luffy and Zoro will be above Roger.
Sanji will be above most admirals and gaban, Jinbe above the fish guy of RP, rest IDK.
 
#9
I would say their core crew won't. All SH's mid trio and below are not going to reach Top tier level.
But they don't really need to. End game Straw Hat crew beats Roger Pirates because of their allies. Grand Fleet along with Giants and WB remnants plus any other beats any crew.
 

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#10
I dont think this should be viewed as a power level goal.
After all, surpassing the Pirate King crew is all about glory.
And Strawhats will achieve far more than PK crew ever could.

I don't think SHs will ever be able to beat 3 swordsman like Oden, Roger and Rayleigh.
Unless Oda unshackles Zoro and lets him clap all 3 of them due to being as strong as 3 individuals in Asura.
Sanjino has potential but against a swordsman, unlikely to be useful. Jinbo in water is a serious powerhouse but same match-up problem.
 
#13
What did the Roger Pirates even do?
Their biggest rival got offed by a storm.
They dodged BM to get a poneglyph.
WB did not give a shit and let Roger do whatever he wanted.
No one at that time cared what Laugh Tale even is.
Went to Sky Island and instead of resolving a century old conflict they just scrabbled some dumb shit on an artifact.
After going to Laugh Tale unhindered they realize that they are too inept to do anything about it.
Roger then gets killed by a boo boo and the Roger Pirates disband.
Each of them goes into hiding and being useless.
Roger had to ask Garp to take care of his kid.
His kid, in true Gol D. fashion, gets himself killed before accomplishing anything.

Come again?
How is it hard to surpass THAT?

Even Vegapunks interrupted broadcast did more than the Roger Pirates.
/thread
 
#16
Simple.
Don't count Oden. He was not a true member of RP, he was Whitebeard's RHM and little brother that was temporarily lent.

Gaban was clearly portrayed as Roger's no3 and had some dynamics with Rayleigh. He's clearly the Sanji of Roger pirates, just without the toxic part of the Zoro/Sanji dynamics (yet).
Gaban was probably comparable to admirals, and Sanji will definitely match/surpass all admirals except Akainu.

Anyway, Luffy and Zoro will be above Roger.
Sanji will be above most admirals and gaban, Jinbe above the fish guy of RP, rest IDK.
But thats the problem, the crew wouldnt reach LT without him, Roger wouldnt be PK without Oden. RPs reached LT as a crew, they sailed the GL together, why should we remove Oden when we compare the crews that reached LT?
 
#17
But thats the problem, the crew wouldnt reach LT without him, Roger wouldnt be PK without Oden. RPs reached LT as a crew, they sailed the GL together, why should we remove Oden when we compare the crews that reached LT?
Oden played the role of Robin there..

If you're looking for a temporary/honorary member like Oden, Yamato would be a great fit. Given she has advanced Conqueror's and is cosplaying as Oden. Prime Yamato will reach/surpass Oden.
Momo (and maybe Bonney) will be the apprentice, him and Kin'nemon are also honorary strawhats
 
#19
Oden played the role of Robin there..

If you're looking for a temporary/honorary member like Oden, Yamato would be a great fit. Given she has advanced Conqueror's and is cosplaying as Oden. Prime Yamato will reach/surpass Oden.
Momo (and maybe Bonney) will be the apprentice, him and Kin'nemon are also honorary strawhats
But RPs with Oden sailed longer together (1 year IIRC) than the SHPs as a whole have done. I accept that Oden sailed with WBPs longer than he did with RPs but when you join a crew, you join a crew. WB, Kaido and BM were called members of Rocks Pirates even though it was a temporary alliance to reach a common goal etc. Jinbe has joined so many crews and at any one point in time he was member of that crew for whatever reason.

Agreed that RPs didnt need Oden for his strength but for his reading skills but then should we start discounting Robins strength (its nothing compared to Odens but the point stands) too when comparing?

I can see Prime Yamato reach Oden (not surpass) and Prime Momo to surpass Oden.
 
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