Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1120 Spoilers Discussion

[Fujishiro]

Stop making generalized arguments, we already have our answer to this. Oda is actively keeping Kizaru in check rn, by having him stay down. So he did find a way for them to manage, we are seeing it happen as we speak.

Before Kizaru killed VP, Luffy was actually not there to keep Kizaru in check. Oda forced Luffy to come back just to do it. That was because Oda wrote Kizaru to be too much for anyone else to handle. That was Oda who did that, and by default he cornered himself. With no Luffy in the equation he would have to come up with another answer, and thus we are in the situation we are in now. Kizaru is still down, because of emotions because Oda is not interested in Luffy being locked into combat atm.

Again, plot armour has existed in One Piece since the very first chapter. Stop crying about it now.

I said all of this already lol. You seem like youre not getting it.

And you stipulated If Nami,Sanji,Chopper encountered Kizaru without Luffy being there how would they fare and I told you Oda would find a way for them to manage, this response has nothing to do with what I said. It feels like I triggered you or something lol. Wether you like it or not.

If Luffy wasnt there at all, Oda would find another way for the straw hats to manage, easy enough to understand lol.

Like youd said he found the reason here in Kizaru being emotional about killing Vegapunk but in a neutral encounter he would have to find some other way.

And no Im not crying about plot armour, Im simply stating it exists lol.

 

[Franosuke]

Just goes to show you how insane of a feat that was, Erkan thought that was a safe limit for Mihawk, given he's just a loner who doesn't have underlings. 3 Bill wasn't even risky to say, Erkan was setting a very difficult bounty in theory.

Teach became a Yonkou at around 2 Billion, after taking over territories, freeing impel down lvl 6 prisoners and having them as underlings, attaining the gura, beating WBP remnants. There was no way in hell Mihawk by himself would have 3 bill for simply existing. Or so he thought, Mihawk just happened to be an anomaly for Oda...beyond anyone's imagination.

The crazy thing is that the bounty drop came at literally the perfect moment. I think it single-handedly revived the sword fandom from actual ashes.

This was right after all the end of Wano disasters. No ZKK, no Zoro backstory, the Luffy-Ryuma parallel, Shanks' wifi CoC, and all that stuff.

And then Mihawk came in like the Avatar and saved things when they were at their worst.

 

[Fujishiro]

You're kidding right? That was one of the most badass moments for everyone involved. The Admirals looked menacing af.

Not killing Luffy =/= looking like memes.

Lol of course youd respond like that. You cleary have your bias and thats fine.

The Gorosei don't even look like jokes, it's just Oda's usual plot that is holding them back. Comparing them to Big Mom is just plain dumb.

Luffy, Dorry, and Brogy were running away from Warcury

Atlas had to sacrifice herself to allow the SHs to escape from Nusjuro

Luffy, Bonney, Sanji, and Franky all had to team up just to send Mars away

The Iron Giant had to come in and stop Warcury from attacking the Giants ship

If Oda decided to have the Gorosei go all out, everyone would pretty much be killed.

If this arc was about defeating the Gorosei then alright I can understand them being jokes, but this arc isn't about fighting and defeating them, it's about escaping from them.

Didnt read they are memes like Zenzu said.

 

[ZenZu]

I said all of this already lol. You seem like youre not getting it.

And you stipulated If Nami,Sanji,Chopper encountered Kizaru without Luffy being there how would they fare and I told you Oda would find a way for them to manage, this response has nothing to do with what I said. It feels like I triggered you or something lol. Wether you like it or not.

If Luffy wasnt there at all, Oda would find another way for the straw hats to manage, easy enough to understand lol.

Like youd said he found the reason here in Kizaru being emotional about killing Vegapunk but in a neutral encounter he would have to find some other way.

And no Im not crying about plot armour, Im simply stating it exists lol.

My dude you aren't getting the point. Oda wouldn't draw Kizaru encountering Nami, Sanji, and Chopper. He would outright avoid it. He would have to come up with another way for plot to keep Kizaru from succeeding, because that is quite literally what he wrote. We are seeing it play out, you're acting like these are hypotheticals we know what Oda did to keep Kizaru in check.

The author is in control of how plot is involved, he is in complete control over who goes where and why. Stop making excuses because he has been extremely loose with the gorosei, they have looked like shit because of it. I don't care how strong they are, they don't look good, there's a complete lack of respect for their combat ability. So my takeaway atm is they aren't great fighters. It's only natural.

Post automatically merged: Jul 10, 2024

Lol of course youd respond like that. You cleary have your bias and thats fine.

I'm starting to think you're an idiot man. If you read that MF Admiral scene and thought oh shit the Admirals don't look imposing, something is wrong with you. Oda has been protecting Luffy since time, the Admirals did not suffer at all during MF, they all looked like juggernauts despite Luffy surviving.

 

[DarkWitch]

I feel like we arent understanding each other lol. Idk why Ghandi didnt use his ice attack, nor why Saturn stopped using his freezing powers and eye explosion,etc.

I asked why do you think they stopped using them, to me its just plot lol.

Saturn probably has to stay still in order to use his freezing power, if he moves around, he probably can't use it.

As for the eye attack, it's obviously not going to do that much to stronger fighters.

 

[SUN Smoker Usopp Nami]

As a man Zoro makes me kick my feet up and giggle

 

[Xione]

You're kidding right? That was one of the most badass moments for everyone involved. The Admirals looked menacing af.

Not killing Luffy =/= looking like memes.

Luffy who was a complete fodder jumped right in front of them. He was one of their goals to kill or capture. Them as 3 top tiers failed to capture the fodder.

Instead of Insta-blitzing the fodder, they decide to use abilities in a 3vs1 which the said fodder counters. Then one of them kicks the said fodder away into middle of pirates where the fodder gets saved. Instead of yk.. pinning him down and shooting lasers through him or having his buddy insta freeze him or having his other buddy throw a giant magma punch.

Not to even mention the Sengoku mess with Luffy and him turning into the Buddha for a fodder.

Mihawk failing multiple times to tag the fodder and then even having to jump around to tag him.

And I can't but continously stress the word Fodder. And that's only the shit related to Luffy. There's plenty more non-sense like Saka not going for the Head with a giant magma punch and instead electing to penetrate Newgate's chest where he misses his heart...when Newgate couldn't move at all.

None of those moments realistically should've happened. Saka would've gone for a heads hot just like he did with Kuma or like he did at the end with Newgate. They would've instablitzed luffy just like Kuzan did in their intial meeting.

That arc is still by far the most stupid arc in terms of top tier stupidity.

 

[KingOnizam]

Saturn probably has to stay still in order to use his freezing power, if he moves around, he probably can't use it.

Really? He barely moved at all before he went into his full beast form, I don't think we can judge the limitations of that unknown power at all.

 

[GangOruka]

sacrificing for a character that can regenerate
sorry, between pedro, ashura douji and now atlas, I think the way oda writes sacrifices feel almost useless and forced (atlas was already on the elbaf ship for some reason, how fast is her?), the objectives on these 3 seemed to be more about removing their character and less about achieving something big to the plot, I think that main writing objective being apparent in a scene makes it feel less impactful. Of course, Pedro kept being mentioned as if to make him more important retroactively, which I guess is better than nothing.

 

[Fujishiro]

My dude you aren't getting the point. Oda wouldn't draw Kizaru encountering Nami, Sanji, and Chopper. He would outright avoid it.

I think you think Oda respects Kizaru too much for that, but I dont lol.

He would have to come up with another way for plot to keep Kizaru from succeeding, because that is what quite literally what he wrote. We are seeing it play out, you're acting like these are hypotheticals we know what Oda did to keep Kizaru in check.

I know he would find a way which is what I said.

The author is in control of how plot is involved, he is in complete control over who goes where and why. Stop making excuses because he has been extremely loose with the gorosei, they have looked like shit because of it. I don't care how strong they are, they don't look good, there's a complete lack of respect for their combat ability. So my takeaway atm is they aren't great fighters. It's only natural.

Kizaru had the Luxury to be fighting Luffy who was keeping him in check.

Against the Gorosei Luffy cant keep them in check, nobody can. So we have Oda who wants to portray them as these unstopable monsters but also not allow them to do shit to the straw hats and their friends which creates this narrative dissonance where Oda wants his cake and eat it too.

I hope you understand where Im coming from, and yes this does make them look bad in the eyes of the readers but the readers should be smart enough to know the Goroseis hands are literally tied lol. Oda made a bad writting choice and now the Goroseis portrayal is paying the price.

I'm starting to think you're an idiot man. If you read that MF Admiral scene and thought oh shit the Admirals don't look imposing, something is wrong with you. Oda has been protecting Luffy since time, the Admirals did not suffer at all during MF, they all looked like juggernauts despite Luffy surviving.

They looked imposing to me lol, I just knew they couldnt kill Luffy. Here I have people in the thread telling me the Gorosei are shit because they didnt kill Bonney, or because they didnt kill the straw hats. The double standard is very real lol.

Aokiji was stalled by Jozu, Kizaru was stopped by Marco, Akainu was stopped by Marco, then stopped by the Whitebeard pirates, then stopped by Crocodiles, etc all people much weaker then them but they were stopped or stalled.

Sure the straw hats are no Yonko commanders but they are the most plot protected people in the manga, and them stalling Saturn who isnt even focusing on them is fine. But people bashed Saturn for that.

Other then that nobody else could stop the Gorosei but Luffy himself with Ju Peter, and hes running from Warcury with the giants.

I feel like people are being a bit biased right now.

 

[ZenZu]

The Gorosei don't even look like jokes, it's just Oda's usual plot that is holding them back. Comparing them to Big Mom is just plain dumb.

Luffy, Dorry, and Brogy were running away from Warcury

Atlas had to sacrifice herself to allow the SHs to escape from Nusjuro

Luffy, Bonney, Sanji, and Franky all had to team up just to send Mars away

The Iron Giant had to come in and stop Warcury from attacking the Giants ship

If Oda decided to have the Gorosei go all out, everyone would pretty much be killed.

If this arc was about defeating the Gorosei then alright I can understand them being jokes, but this arc isn't about fighting and defeating them, it's about escaping from them.

This is cool and all, but the minute I imagine 5 serious Kizaru's darting around, your points don't hold any weight anymore. Oda can afford to do this for a reason. It simply does not work if you replace these gorosei with Kizaru, it's impossible without there being something wrong with Kizaru himself. Oda can't just write Kizaru trying but being stopped by weakhats and vegapunks.

He'd have to work a looot harder, or simply make it so Kizaru does not give a shit and is sandbagging on purpose. It is established how fast Kizaru is, they cannot handle even 1 of him without Nika around, 5 is retarded to even think about.

That's the difference here. No one is saying Kizaru would succeed, Oda would have to work much harder to get plot involved, or just outright avoid certain scenarios. It can't be a 1:1 of what we're seeing here, he would end this in 1 chapter.

 

[Reborn]

If we talk about portrayal of characters (not strength per se) then oda has done better job with Admirals than with yonkous.

Yes, we have few instances of some bad portrayals but in general and overall, admirals had received good portrayal of characters.


And, yeah...in MF, that scene, when luffy jumped in front of 3 admirals, and admirals looked down on luffy, that was goosebump moment - very imposing

 

[Fujishiro]

Saturn probably has to stay still in order to use his freezing power, if he moves around, he probably can't use it.

As for the eye attack, it's obviously not going to do that much to stronger fighters.

He was standing still when the staw hats were attacking him and he didnt freeze them, he didnt use his eye explosion ability either lol @ZenZu

 

[MonsterZoro]

 

[DarkWitch]

Lol of course youd respond like that. You cleary have your bias and thats fine.

Didnt read they are memes like Zenzu said.

Sometimes I have to remind myself that Admiral fans can be just as bad as Yonko fans when it comes to pure bias and agenda.

I still think Yonko fans are slightly worse though.

 

[Fujishiro]

This is cool and all, but the minute I imagine 5 serious Kizaru's darting around, your points don't hold any weight anymore. Oda can afford to do this for a reason. It simply does not work if you replace these gorosei with Kizaru, it's impossible without there being something wrong with Kizaru himself. Oda can't just write Kizaru trying but being stopped by weakhats and vegapunks.

He'd have to work a looot harder, or simply make it so Kizaru does not give a shit and is sandbagging on purpose. It is established how fast Kizaru is, they cannot handle even 1 of him without Nika around, 5 is retarded to even think about.

That's the difference here. No one is saying Kizaru would succeed, Oda would have to work much harder to get plot involved, or just outright avoid certain scenarios. It can't be a 1:1 of what we're seeing here, he would end this in 1 chapter.

Yeah he would either make it impossible for Kizaru to reach them, give the straw hats a way to actually touch him an stall him,etc. Different characters are treated differently. The Gorosei are immortal, Oda can afford to have them take hits because they literally dont care enough to defend as Saturn himself stated if you remember.

 

[Yoho]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that Admiral fans can be just as bad as Yonko fans when it comes to pure bias and agenda.

I still think Yonko fans are slightly worse though.

😎Helmeppo fans are the best fans

 

[ZenZu]

Luffy who was a complete fodder jumped right in front of them. He was one of their goals to kill or capture. Them as 3 top tiers failed to capture the fodder.

Instead of Insta-blitzing the fodder, they decide to use abilities in a 3vs1 which the said fodder counters. Then one of them kicks the said fodder away into middle of pirates where the fodder gets saved. Instead of yk.. pinning him down and shooting lasers through him or having his buddy insta freeze him or having his other buddy throw a giant magma punch.

Not to even mention the Sengoku mess with Luffy and him turning into the Buddha for a fodder.

Mihawk failing multiple times to tag the fodder and then even having to jump around to tag him.

And I can't but continously stress the word Fodder. And that's only the shit related to Luffy. There's plenty more non-sense like Saka not going for the Head with a giant magma punch and instead electing to penetrate Newgate's chest where he misses his heart...when Newgate couldn't move at all.

None of those moments realistically should've happened. Saka would've gone for a heads hot just like he did with Kuma or like he did at the end with Newgate. They would've instablitzed luffy just like Kuzan did in their intial meeting.

That arc is still by far the most stupid arc in terms of top tier stupidity.

Yes but it did not come at the cost of the Admirals looking imposing, they looked hella solid. Even that scene where Luffy was infront of them, they looked like menaces.

This is what I'm saying, we can't use plot as an excuse for characters losing their "aura"

Post automatically merged: Jul 10, 2024

Yeah he would either make it impossible for Kizaru to reach them, give the straw hats a way to actually touch him an stall him,etc. Different characters are treated differently. The Gorosei are immortal, Oda can afford to have them take hits because they literally dont care enough to defend as Saturn himself stated if you remember.

He can do the same for Kizaru, he is immortal to the Strawhats. They can land attacks on him to stop him momentarily just like the gorosei. Yet they were not allowed to touch Kizaru, because Oda respects his speed wayyy too much for that to happen.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that Admiral fans can be just as bad as Yonko fans when it comes to pure bias and agenda.

I still think Yonko fans are slightly worse though.

Insert image of Garfield looking at poster of Garfield

 

[Shiroyru]

Just goes to show you how insane of a feat that was, Erkan thought that was a safe limit for Mihawk, given he's just a loner who doesn't have underlings. 3 Bill wasn't even risky to say, Erkan was setting a very difficult bounty in theory.

Teach became a Yonkou at around 2 Billion, after taking over territories, freeing impel down lvl 6 prisoners and having them as underlings, attaining the gura, beating WBP remnants. There was no way in hell Mihawk by himself would have 3 bill for simply existing. Or so he thought, Mihawk just happened to be an anomaly for Oda...beyond anyone's imagination.

Tbf Teach’s first bounty seems like a mistake on Oda’s part since it was basically retconned to being 3.99B. Teach did absolutely nothing between his first bounty reveal and second bounty reveal