Current Events Are Gorosei more embarrassing than second half of WCI's Big Meme?

[Topi Jerami]

Recent Egghead chapter kinda feels like the second half of WCI arc. Difference was first half of WCI was good while Egghead was meh from the beginning.
Escape arc = escape arc
Pedro's sacrifice so Sunny can set sail = Atlas' sacrifice so Sunny can set sail
Too strong enemies (in Oda's mind) = too strong enemies (in Oda's mind)

I remember readers were very shocked about how Oda treated Big Mom in WCI's ending, but then at least WCI Big Meme had an excuse. She was a meme because she wasn't in her right mind, she was nerfed mentally (although Wano proved this wrong, she was meme too in Wano or actually Oda is the meme).
Now in Egghead, the whole Gorosei came. But then, when Saturn came alone, and when all 5 of them now are in Egghead, the threat level feels just the same.

The Gorosei (and Kizaru) keep getting treated as harmless punching bags.

This is what happened to same Giants that neg diffed Ju Peter (would kill him if there is no regen bs) against old villain that is supposed to be clumsy and weak

And Oda doesn't help with Atlas' sacrifice. The tone is supposed to be that serious Atlas is forced to sacrifice herself so that Straw Hats can escape. But what does Oda do in just few later panels?

"Robot~~~!!!!!!"
Yeah in same chapter dedicated for Atlas' sacrifice, Oda shamelessly still drawing idiots being so excited with the robot. I know Luffy, giants, Sanji and Franky are supposed to be in different location with Atlas, but way to ruin the mood. And I thought CoO could detect things too?

Still talking about Atlas, I thought Nusjuro could move so fast he could take Pacifistas down across the island in mere minutes? What is the purpose of Atlas sacrificing herself to stall Nusjuro, because logically Nusjuro could move so fast to chase Sunny again?

Just for comparison, this is what Oda did with his old real villain

Old villain without shiny title: Yonko / Gorosei / ruler for hundred years blabla; actually 1 vs 2ing the strongest Straw Hat duo.
While Nika now can 1 vs 3ing the jobber grandpas.

@JoNdule @Lee Ba Shou @SakazOuki @Buusatan94 @nik87 @L57 @Shiroyru @ZenZu @Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk @Fujishiro @Akai2 etc.

 

[Sentinel]

@Topi Jerami

You're completely right Topi... You're completely right.

I think Mashima owes us an apology. His final arc was terribly written but at least each of the Spriggan were monsters in their own field. Not to mention August, who made Fairy Tail's Shanks look like a fodder. Then there was Acnologia who even one shot one of the strongest Spriggan and the same guy still gets massively hyped in current 100 years quest chapters.

At least Big Mom was solo in second half of WCI.
Now we have 5 top tiers acting as the most incompetent bums in One Piece history. I am sure if Mihawk or Akainu were showing even 0.000001% of that embarrassing stuff, the One Piece fandom would trash on them for YEARS. Big Mom was also constantly trashed but come on, she looks better than them. That's an objective truth.
1.) Her powers dwarfed islands when she controlled the entire weather.
2.) Has ACoC
3.) Her DF is so versatile when she can replicate one of Kizaru's power, a majority of Enel's power, a good chunk of Ace' power while having comparable strength to Kaido.
4.) She used two of the strongest supernovas as punching bags, ate their strongest techniques but still was able to continue the battle if it weren't for the bombs. Sure, compared to Shanks feat against Kidd, hers look like trash but at least she had done something to powerful characters lol.

Oh man, I can't believe I'm defending Big Mom over here. That's how much ass the Gorosei are.

 

[JoNdule]

Gorosei have been nothing but subpar
Them alongside Kizaru have been incompetent as fighters

Linlin at least was nerfed mentally and also was skinny most the times during second half of WCI
She wasnt also using bigger mode or so

Gorosei in their Strongest mode are getting tested like just some average top tiers
They've beaten no SH, no real damage done to Luffy
Same with Kizaru

 

[Buusatan94]

Who is the more embarrassing ?

Simple answer: The author who wrote and treated his antagonists this way, Oda himself.

The second half of Whole Cake Island arc, and Big Mom's wedding cake in particular, are already masterpieces of examples on how to not write and treat your antagonists, and Wano arc and this arc with the Gorosei, are amazing examples or rather counter-examples too.

It shows that Oda hasn't learned anything from his mistakes during the Yonko Saga, and will continue to treat the antagonists of Elbaf and the Final Arc the same way. I don't expect any epic masterpiece for these arcs, even for the final battle now.

 

[Sentinel]

Gorosei have been nothing but subpar
Them alongside Kizaru have been incompetent as fighters

Linlin at least was nerfed mentally and also was skinny most the times during second half of WCI
She wasnt also using bigger mode or so

Gorosei in their Strongest mode are getting tested like just some average top tiers
They've beaten no SH, no real damage done to Luffy
Same with Kizaru

Wait, at least Kizaru has another excuse with his mental condition. I mean, killing your best friend, even if it's for the sake of your mission, sure would fuck you up mentally. Just like it fucked Kuzan up mentally when he had to "kill" Saul.

But the Gorosei? They have no excuse and still look like shit.
Oda isn't even pretending to care anymore as long as he can write his goofy Tom & Jerry bullshit.

 

[Topi Jerami]

It shows that Oda hasn't learned anything from his mistakes during the Yonko Saga, and will continue to treat the antagonists of Elbaf and the Final Arc the same way. I don't expect any epic masterpiece for these arcs, even for the final battle now.

The moment Oda didn't bother to give awakening to Kaido and Big Mom, although he gave it to Doflamingo - the man who shit his pants imagining Kaido's wrath, pretty clear he doesn't care about his villains anymore.

I remember some people already guessed correctly how future villains will look bad too post WCI: confirmed thrice already with no awakened Kaido/Big Mom, Egghead Kizaru and the Gorosei. More victims incoming in future arcs.

Post automatically merged: Jul 12, 2024

Now we have 5 top tiers acting as the most incompetent bums in One Piece history

5 Top Tiers (according to Oda) working together and all running wild doesn't feel more dangerous than Alabasta Crocodile / Water 7 Lucci alone.

How can readers take the grandpas seriously while we have not just total carefree idiot like Luffy but even likes of Sanji and Franky busy admiring the robot while they are surrounded by them?

 

[Sentinel]

5 Top Tiers (according to Oda) working together and all running wild doesn't feel more dangerous than Alabasta Crocodile / Water 7 Lucci alone.

Maybe I'm just capping shit but even Don Krieg and Arlong have more tension as antagonists.

The Gorosei had a good start but after Kuma started punching Saturn, everything went downhill.

Jimbei and Lucci "OMG THEIR HAKIIIIIII!!!!" -> then the same guys gets clowned by fodder giants and weak trio lmao. Yeah, gReaT hAki.

 

[Buusatan94]

Maybe I'm just capping shit but even Don Krieg and Arlong have more tension as antagonists.

The Gorosei had a good start but after Kuma started punching Saturn, everything went downhill.

Jimbei and Lucci "OMG THEIR HAKIIIIIII!!!!" -> then the same guys gets clowned by fodder giants and weak trio lmao. Yeah, gReaT hAki.

All tension and sense of real threat have disappeared in the manga, the last time it felt like the Straw Hats and their allies were in any danger was at the Tea Party.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Jimbei and Lucci "OMG THEIR HAKIIIIIII!!!!" -> then the same guys gets clowned by fodder giants and weak trio lmao. Yeah, gReaT hAki.

Ironic for Lucci wanking the Gorosei because actually he is more competent than them.
He just struggles to keep up with his normal zoan power, while the others use mythical zoan Sun God / ancient demon bs. But in brain, he is far more competent than these clowns.

 

[Sentinel]

Ironic for Lucci wanking the Gorosei because actually he is more competent than them.
He just struggles to keep up with his normal zoan power, while the others use mythical zoan Sun God / ancient demon bs. But in brain, he is far more competent than these clowns.

Lucci is unironically the most competent villain in this arc.
Only pre ts antagonists can save One Piece now. I hope Crocodile also gets his huge moment with monstrous, island wide awakening.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Lucci seeing Atlas bullshitting around: one shotted her in seconds.
Grandpa seeing Atlas bullshitting around: so are you going for sacrifice? *proceeds to eat the explosion
Grandpa is just saved by the regeneration bs.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

The Gorosei and the simplest reasons include:

• there are 5 of them for a start,
• they either are all awakened mythical zoans that can rapidly regenerate their bodies or actual literal mega demons and yet they are getting clowned worse than any villains I've ever seen in any series, Fairy Tail included,
• they are the faces of the World Government itself and thus they are meant to be the strongest power in charge publicly of the most strongest and oppressive faction in the series, the one ruling the entire world,
• they are the "Strongest Celestial Dragons",
• they have tons of battle scars and they've been ruling for centuries potentially or at least decades.

This is not even just character assassination anymore but completely Mortal Kombat levels of gory character ruination/evisceration, brutal annihilation of some of the most important and thus pivotal and powerful in various ways characters of the entire series and the world they live in. I was expecting them to get clowned hard but later in the story and not this hard, this soon and especially ALL of them together at once!
And I thought how Oda treated the Yonkos and their crews and also Kidd was BAD!

I'm really scared for Blackbeard and Akainu at this point. I hate Imu and Garling so I would love to see them get clowned and fucked up but the Admirals are gonna get a more brutal clowning in future as Kizaru has experienced first hand too already ofc and Green Bull got the brutal wifi haki humiliation from the worlds strongest and angriest rat.

Maybe I'm just capping shit but even Don Krieg and Arlong have more tension as antagonists.

The Gorosei had a good start but after Kuma started punching Saturn, everything went downhill.

Jimbei and Lucci "OMG THEIR HAKIIIIIII!!!!" -> then the same guys gets clowned by fodder giants and weak trio lmao. Yeah, gReaT hAki.

They honestly did, the story benefited immensely more from being so grounded and simpler. No fucking God Zoan and retcon nonsense BS either.
We started the series with Lucky Roo shooting a bandit dead instantly in cold blooded, justified revenge for Luffy and Shanks losing his arm ofc.
Oda delivered absolutely insane tension with Crocodile, Enel (who had the most insane dialogue, scary and brutal moments and panels back then too) and dare I even say Moria too! Foxy is less a of a joke than how Oda is treating his most important villains and characters now too.

People could and did die so easily back then. Shanks was a scrawny, vulnerable guy too. He almost died there and then and same with Luffy. But now hes terrifying an Admiral from across an entire country and his ship on the ocean with just SHEER HAKI ALONE! Its absolutely nonsense! I mean yes hes a Yonko and hes meant to have the best haki out of all of them regardless but the power creep and wank is like the most egregious fanfiction now!

Baratie and Arlong Park were actually tense arcs too, thanks to Krieg and Arlong. People celebrated Kriegs return recently for good reason and there's a reason people kept wanking him and spamming tons of memes with him for a while now. Pre TS villains were built different and far more interesting and fun, far more menacing and competent and didn't need long, complex, overly dramatic, dark and emotional backstories to back them up either, they didnt even get backstories! But now we have villains with backstories and taking backshots humiliantingly!

This series has fallen harder than Icarus himself. I knew it was gonna happen for so many years now but its more painful actually seeing it happen in real time.

 

[Bullet]

And still OP fans will clown on something like Fairy Tail and praise the writing of One Piece as one of the best in fiction not just manga.
Atleast in fairy tail the villains were competent and threatening until they get defeated unlike here where you have to make excuses for their poor performance most of their panel time and never feel any threat or tension.

 

[Extravlad]

Gorosei have been nothing but subpar
Them alongside Kizaru have been incompetent as fighters

Linlin at least was nerfed mentally and also was skinny most the times during second half of WCI
She wasnt also using bigger mode or so

Gorosei in their Strongest mode are getting tested like just some average top tiers
They've beaten no SH, no real damage done to Luffy
Same with Kizaru

> Calls LinLin nerfed mentally

> Does not mention Kizaru is nerfed mentally

What an objective poster you are Jo_Noodle !

 

[DarkWitch]

@Sentinel
You're taking this way too seriously.

The problem with Big Mom in second half and the Gorosei in Egghead is plot.

Yes I know shocker! But if it wasn't for plot, Big Mom could have easily killed some of the Straw Hats.

It's the same thing here on Egghead, if it wasn't for plot, and if Oda actually allowed the Gorosei to go all out, they would have killed everyone and destroyed most of Egghead.

Also you make it seem like the Gorosei keep getting clowned on, but that's not even true.

Other than Saturn and maybe Nusjuro. Most of the Gorosei have been fine.

What happened to Warcury? "Omg Emet punched him!" That's pretty much it and he was completely fine after that one attack.

Ju Peter? Dorry and Brogy cut him in half, that's really it and it only happened because they needed to save Luffy, other than that, Ju Peter has also been completely fine.

Mars? Zero humiliation, it took Luffy, Bonney, Sanji, and Franky just to send Mars away, and that isn't a bad thing. It's not like they defeated him, but simply sent him away for the time being so he wouldn't come after them.

Some people keep saying the Gorosei keep getting clowned on but that isn't even true at all, again for the most part they've been completely fine.

It's like you want them to go all out but again they are being held back because of plot.

If this arc was all about defeating the Gorosei and this how they are treated then ok, I can then understand the issues with them, but this arc isn't about defeating them but escaping from them.

There is a reason why Oda has yet to show us the hybrid forms of three of the Gorosei, as well as showing more feats from them.

Also as much as I hated how Oda treated Big Mom especially in Wano, at least when it came to WCI, I knew Oda was holding her back because of plot, I don't even blame Big Mom for how she treated during the second half of WCI.

Wano on the other hand is different though because in that arc, her treatment was way worse and she was meant to get defeated by the end of Wano.

So no neither Big Mom during second half of WCI or the Gorosei during Egghead are embarrassing.

The real embarrassment is the plot that is holding them back.

 

[dirtyLarry]

The main problem is that Oda simply can't write villains.

Biggest reason for that: Everyone and their mother knows that Oda refuses to write serious consequences for the main characters.

In fact he continues to come up with bullshit PIS moments to protect the main cast from supposedly overpowered villains.

That's why the reader doesn't feel any kind of threat and doesn't take the villains seriously.

Since OP is so long and this same scheme continues arc after arc after arc it has become noticeably to almost every OP fan by now.

 

[Punishhh]

The problem with the ending of the arc is that Oda doesn't know how to end arcs anymore, he's stretching the endings to the max. I don't care about the treatment of the Gorosei it's plot.
I'm now waiting for two chapters to drop and then read it.

 

[DarkWitch]

The main problem is that Oda simply can't write villains.

I mean he can but lately he hasn't been doing a good job.

If Saturn was the only Gorosei in the Egghead arc and Oda kept it that way, then I do think there could have been a good chance of Saturn being a really great villain.

Unfortunately bringing the rest of the Gorosei ruined it.

Wano kind of had a similar problem as well, Kaido should have been the only main villain in that arc, but instead Oda had Kaido share the Wano arc with both Big Mom and Orochi.

 

[Kumathegoat]

Gorosei are lame as fuck

 

[dirtyLarry]

I mean he can but lately he hasn't been doing a good job.

If Saturn was the only Gorosei in the Egghead arc and Oda kept it that way, then I do think there could have been a good chance of Saturn being a really great villain.

Unfortunately bringing the rest of the Gorosei ruined it.

Wano kind of had a similar problem as well, Kaido should have been the only main villain in that arc, but instead Oda had Kaido share the Wano arc with both Big Mom and Orochi.

I can't look at a single villain he wrote and say - well, that's a top notch VILLAIN.

As characters, sure, he has some top notch characters that ACT like villains.

Crocodile and Doflamingo for example.

They are very good characters in my book, but lousy villains.

Simply because you, me and my grandmother knew that they weren't any kind of real threat to the SHs at any point. We always knew there would be no severe consequences in their respective arcs.