Questions & Mysteries Is Orochi dead?

[BangOO🍅]

His fruit could give him some Hydra Powers, so he will die only when all the head are cut

Thats why he so scared when he knew the nine red scabbards isnt dead. Because all of them will cut all of his head together.

 

[Fallen Prince]

No, he has a devil fruit.

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He's not dead

For the people who say he has no role to play, I disagree

The whole idea of "Hating on Korozumi child" should actually come into play at some point... I'm not asking for orochi to be forgiven, I'm asking for the IDEALS itself to be addressed, which is what lead to both of "Orochi/Kanjuro" to be messed up in the head

Oda just killing both of them, without eventually addressing the issue is a completely bad way to resolve that story...

They can punish orochi/execute him later, HOWEVER, the issue of Wano people, just attacking innocent children, persecuting them just for their lineage is SO IMPORTANT to be addressed and for Wano civilians to realize that their deeds were fucking atrocious...

Oda killing that bloodline, and just ignoring it will be completely FUCKED UP storywise, from oda's point of view... cause he basically will be GOING AGAINST everything he stood for during:

- Ace hunted for his bloodline
- Robin hunted for her Bloodline
- Rebecca and her bloodline

and so on from examples where Oda's ideals stand for "everyone is their own self, and you canot judge someone from their blood parents/ancestor"

Eliminating the ONLY 2 Korozomi like that is Oda escaping from trying to resolve that issue, and it's him not trying to put ANY FAULT on what the civilians did in Orochi/Kanjuro childhood

True, I feel kurozumi needs to be redeemed in this arc.

I feel orochi is evil but we have seen enough reason why he hated wano people because of witch hunt the clan had to suffer.

If these things are not resolved I don't think one piece is worth reading in my opinion.

 

[Vlad D. Impaler]

No, he ain't dead. I'm sure of this, due the way Oda potrayed his murder........ By decapitation. He has mythical Zoan 'Yamata no Orochi' and it's specialty is, that if you even cut off one or several of it's head, he simply grows them back. Like with Hydra you'd have to burn the decapitated stumps to make sure that they stay that way. Every guy who fought multiple headed serpents face the same decapitation problem and that is what Kaido did with Orochi. So no he isn't dead.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Why would Kiku give a speech about her "wound" on Kanjuro haunting him in the afterlife, if he's not dying? That speech makes no sense otherwise. She was crying with blood on her sword.

Off panel is not equal to death. For orochis case tou jumped too fast we don't know how his df will come into play.

You are playing to odas trap games again. He did with pell, pound, rob lucci and all old character whom we thought are gone.

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Imo just like his mythical zoan form Yamata No Orochi, you can't kill him by slicing off his head. Like with Hydra you'd have to burn his head after cutting it, to make sure he stays dead.

All they have nt used Ame no habakiri, the sword used to kill snake.

Wonder if this remains at plot. Orochi is definately not done, if he turns out to be alive he'll play spoilsport to kaidos ambition.

 

[MD Zolo]

Orochi is very much alive as far I am concerned. And since he is now alone (he started off alone too, didn't he), he will make his final move.

What other strong people does Orochi know whom he can use to destroy Kaido and Kozuki clan? CP0. So, Orochi is gonna invite CP0 in a suicide move to destroy everything and CP0 will oblige. Orochi is probably able to provide safe passage for Marines and CP0 too.

Basically, Orochi's only move left now will lead to Marines and CP0 entering Wano. He will hope that this will end Wano, Kaido and Kozuki clan.

 

[sanjikun]

'Yamata no Orochi' and it's specialty is, that if you even cut off one or several of it's head, he simply grows them back.

That's not a specialty at all. Hydra is from Greek mythology, and Yamata no Orochi from Japanese mythology. They have nothing to do with one another.

Is Oda going to incorporate Greek mythology in an arc based on feudal Japan?

Orochi is still alive and healthy. The one that Kaido beheaded is a Kanjuro drawing

How is Orochi a Kanjuro drawing when he was already there before Kanjuro arrived? It physically hurts to read some of these "theories".

 

[Vlad D. Impaler]

That's not a specialty at all. Hydra is from Greek mythology, and Yamata no Orochi from Japanese mythology. They have nothing to do with one another.

Is Oda going to incorporate Greek mythology in an arc based on feudal Japan?



How is Orochi a Kanjuro drawing when he was already there before Kanjuro arrived? It physically hurts to read some of these "theories".

Why not?? Asian dragons typically didn't breathe fire, they're mostly related to sea and rain. But Kaido who's design is based on Chinese and Japnese dragons do breathe fire like his western counterparts

 

[Jo_Ndule]

There is like a 0% chance Oda gives someone a mythical, hydra-like DF and then kill him by simply beheading him.

Come on, after thinking about it for a while, it's as obvious as it gets that he's still alive.

There's no way Oda gives a character a name "Orochi" and be weak...
Oh wait I heard this kind of statement which people used to hype Orochi

People should stop using movies or other msngad as references as why X should be alive or strong... Oda doesn't even follow correct Myths at 60%

 

[Ryuarashi]

Orochi is still alive and healthy. The one that Kaido beheaded is a Kanjuro drawing.

"But but how come Orochi knows Kaido will kill him?"
No, he didn't know, nor did Kanjuro. He just anticipated it because the prophecy of his falling is coming near. Seeing how much of a scaredy cat he is, yet also scheming and cautious one, it's not too farfetched to think of this possibility.

His scenario in mind: prepared double body just in case Scrubbards or their alliance will harm him.
To his surprise: it's Kaido who harmed him.

Supporting proof:
1. He never changes to his zoan form the entire time although iirc he liked to randomly transform before. It's because the drawing can't transform.

Counter arguments:
1. How can the drawing act and has a similar mind with Orochi himself (can talk, can complain when Kaido brought New Onigashima plan) etc. How can the drawing share the similar way of thinking with real Orochi.
But iirc before drawing Kanjuro was cut by Kinemon, the drawing could also shittalk just like the real Kanjuro.

Seems possible and more likely than the devil fruit theory, Orochi is somewhat smart and would be in his character to do such a thing.

Real Orochi is probably somewhere near watching the execution and he intended to use Momo as a bait to get the alliance out of hiding.

How is Orochi a Kanjuro drawing when he was already there before Kanjuro arrived? It physically hurts to read some of these "theories".

What do you even mean by this? Kanjuro met up with Orochi a couple chapters ago and handed him Momo, he could have easily created a clone of Orochi then.

Orochi is known to be overly cautious and cowardly, after being informed of the alliance its not impossible he requested Kanjuro to create a clone.

 

[SDfear]

I dont care if he is alive and i dont want him to be alive

For me story is better of with him being dead and someone else eats his DF

 

[BangOO🍅]

I dont care if he is alive and i dont want him to be alive

For me story is better of with him being dead and someone else eats his DF

Everybody want Orochi dead, its not even a question.
But do u think this isn't odd if Orochi died this early? When Orochi hyped up as a great villain and have Mythical Zoans Yamata No Orochi.

 

[SDfear]

Everybody want Orochi dead, its not even a question.
But do u think this isn't odd if Orochi died this early? When Orochi hyped up as a great villain and have Mythical Zoans Yamata No Orochi.

Not really ODA just change the flow of story with him being dead
I hate this stupid 8head hydra theory is just so stupid and will make Kaido look retard, I dont want that to happend

 

[Longleg Larry]

If he’s not dead, then the only thing he’s capable of is slinking away.

Best case he is dead, but if not, the headshot was very satisfying

 

[dirtyLarry]

One thing a lot of fans overlook: Oda is always giving hints whether a character is dead or not (so most of the time a hint, that this character is alive).

One of the first panels this chapter is Kanjuro showing up with some headless warriors.

Izo even comments on those warriors: "Headless warriors, that are able to fight?!"

That scene actually seemed a bit random at first, but taking into consideration what happens later this chapter, imho it's a clear hint that "headless Orochi" is still not done yet.

 

[BangOO🍅]

Not really ODA just change the flow of story with him being dead
I hate this stupid 8head hydra theory is just so stupid and will make Kaido look retard, I dont want that to happend

After Zou Arc, Act 2, and Oden's flashback, you still think Orochi will die this early?

He will dead either way, but not now.

 

[SDfear]

After Zou Arc, Act 2, and Oden's flashback, you still think Orochi will die this early?

He will dead either way, but not now.

Yea i know he is probably alive, but lets just hope that Oda knows what he is doing with this betrayal between him and Kaido
Dont want some stupid Orochi plot were he is main reason that Kaido is defeated

 

[Haoshoku]

Absolutely not dead, I have no clue why some people think he’s actually dead, killing him off like that makes no sense narratively. The real question is what his role will be going forward.

 

[Zowo]

Orochi is still alive and healthy. The one that Kaido beheaded is a Kanjuro drawing.

there is no drawing this is after kin killed the fake kanjuro

orochi s body is still there

 

[SmokedOut]

I think @Cobra. is onto something here

imagine this now that orochi has nothing he will contact the wg and cipher pol and give up wano and tells them about the port. so they will have safe passage

 

[dirtyLarry]

I think @Cobra. is onto something here

I also thought about that.

It's the perfect way to bring the marines and CP into this whole mess at Wano right now.

We know that Sakazuki didn't want to go there, because he had almost no intel on Wano. However, if Orochi contacts them and gives them intel (secret port etc.), because he wants to clinge onto his seat as shogun, we have a completely different situation.