Speculations Who is the current World's Strongest Pirate?
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As I see it this is a point of the manga which is still ongoing: WB was the undisputed WSM, he even had the title and nobody dared to bither him, even the navy was shitting bricks at the thought of fighting him, then they plotted, prepared the battlefield etc. etc. (WB was also weaker than expected) and in the end won.
Yet he left the throne vacant, Oda stopped the time for the 2 years Luffy and co needed to come back (there was just BB destroying Marco and co and be confirmed as a yonko) and now we had the war for the throne (exactly what Doffy explained) yet there is no winner yet. Kaido and BM are out of the race and now there are only Luffy, Shanks and BB left. Buggy can not yet be considered a true candidate since 1) he is a clown 2) he hasn't (yet?) the road poneglyphs like the other 3.
So for now it is an undecided title but eventually BB will reach it (probably by stepping on Shanks) and then Luffy achieves it by beating BB.
Yet he left the throne vacant, Oda stopped the time for the 2 years Luffy and co needed to come back (there was just BB destroying Marco and co and be confirmed as a yonko) and now we had the war for the throne (exactly what Doffy explained) yet there is no winner yet. Kaido and BM are out of the race and now there are only Luffy, Shanks and BB left. Buggy can not yet be considered a true candidate since 1) he is a clown 2) he hasn't (yet?) the road poneglyphs like the other 3.
So for now it is an undecided title but eventually BB will reach it (probably by stepping on Shanks) and then Luffy achieves it by beating BB.
Despite what some might think about how I "downplay" Shanks, I think it would probably be him.
Shanks would just HAVE to be above Buggy and the Crossguild if Elbaf is legit considered as not just a place he parties at but is actually considered officially part of his "territory" and thus has to be taken into consideration when it comes to miliary power.
If what Dorry and Brogy showed in Egghead is any indication? I do not doubt somebody like Loki, and perhaps Thor/Odin if Oda wants to include them too, will be pretty busted all things considered. If Shanks can get the royal giant family involved that more than makes up for the vaguely strong fodder on Buggys crew in terms of back up.
Hell, the giants Buggy had bailed on him so who truly knows how many of the "stronger" guys he has left from the Impel Down rescue days. I think Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, as does the WG, but the WG and Marines both have been trying to get giants of their own for the entire story.
I think in terms of in-universe evaluation of power, the guy that is either allied with or "lords over" the giants would be considered as the “greater” pirate no doubt.
Shanks would just HAVE to be above Buggy and the Crossguild if Elbaf is legit considered as not just a place he parties at but is actually considered officially part of his "territory" and thus has to be taken into consideration when it comes to miliary power.
If what Dorry and Brogy showed in Egghead is any indication? I do not doubt somebody like Loki, and perhaps Thor/Odin if Oda wants to include them too, will be pretty busted all things considered. If Shanks can get the royal giant family involved that more than makes up for the vaguely strong fodder on Buggys crew in terms of back up.
Hell, the giants Buggy had bailed on him so who truly knows how many of the "stronger" guys he has left from the Impel Down rescue days. I think Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, as does the WG, but the WG and Marines both have been trying to get giants of their own for the entire story.
I think in terms of in-universe evaluation of power, the guy that is either allied with or "lords over" the giants would be considered as the “greater” pirate no doubt.
Hard to say
Shanks is called the freest man/pirate so it could be him - his allies are famously weak though but in terms of power (military and political I think he is strongest)
BB has had a headstart and got territories from WBPs plus his core crew seems pretty strong too. I think he should come in second
Luffy has strong core crew like the above two and has the Grand Fleet plus allegiance of countries (royalty or other groups) like Alabasta, Drum Island, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, Zou and Wano so he could potentially be the strongest). So his ranking could be anywhere in the top 3, I am just giving benefit of doubt to Shanks and BB because they have been Yonkos for 6 and 2 years respectively
CG is the latest Yonko crew and, they didnt even have a journey like SHPs to forge alliances, they just came together after/around Wano and became a crew, their core crew is also weak with only Mihawk and Croc and Mr.1.
Shanks is called the freest man/pirate so it could be him - his allies are famously weak though but in terms of power (military and political I think he is strongest)
BB has had a headstart and got territories from WBPs plus his core crew seems pretty strong too. I think he should come in second
Luffy has strong core crew like the above two and has the Grand Fleet plus allegiance of countries (royalty or other groups) like Alabasta, Drum Island, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, Zou and Wano so he could potentially be the strongest). So his ranking could be anywhere in the top 3, I am just giving benefit of doubt to Shanks and BB because they have been Yonkos for 6 and 2 years respectively
CG is the latest Yonko crew and, they didnt even have a journey like SHPs to forge alliances, they just came together after/around Wano and became a crew, their core crew is also weak with only Mihawk and Croc and Mr.1.
No, but It's not a guarantee that Shanks beats him either.
I have not seen either go all out. If I had to base it off Kuzan vs Garp, I have Shanks beating Kuzan, but I don't believe that was Kuzan showing his full power. At the very least he was fighting soft.
Shanks is lethal and he has FS, but Kuzan lasted 10 days against someone probably even more lethal than Shanks. The FS is making me lean towards Shanks until further notice, but if Kuzan has an overpowered awakening, that can change.
I have not seen either go all out. If I had to base it off Kuzan vs Garp, I have Shanks beating Kuzan, but I don't believe that was Kuzan showing his full power. At the very least he was fighting soft.
Shanks is lethal and he has FS, but Kuzan lasted 10 days against someone probably even more lethal than Shanks. The FS is making me lean towards Shanks until further notice, but if Kuzan has an overpowered awakening, that can change.
Luffy and it's not even even close imho.
His Nika/G5-form basically breaks the 4th wall. He can't be scaled on any ordinary powerranking-scale anymore.
In my opinion it's not good for the manga at all, but it is what it is.
On top of that he has the best fleet and several nations (!) backing him up.
His Nika/G5-form basically breaks the 4th wall. He can't be scaled on any ordinary powerranking-scale anymore.
In my opinion it's not good for the manga at all, but it is what it is.
On top of that he has the best fleet and several nations (!) backing him up.
No nation has declared allegiance to Strawhats so none of them count as a force that answers his summons.
The only ones who do are the Grand Fleet. Certainly impressive for a known force that supports an Emperor but it could be easily eclipsed by anyone getting the backing of Giants or an Ancient Weapon or getting control of the Seraphim...
>Not even close... Are you sure you have been following this story properly?
Whenever anyone thought Luffy was far ahead, whether it was individual strength, the number of RPG copies obtained or anything really, they always got proven wrong.
He isn't leaving people in the dust and he always struggles so much that plot has to turn heaven and earth for him to end up victorious.
G5 will soon look like nothing special, especially not ahead of others as soon as someone shows dominance over it.
It already happened as deathbed Kaido knocked it out twice but all people remember is a big panchi...
The only ones who do are the Grand Fleet. Certainly impressive for a known force that supports an Emperor but it could be easily eclipsed by anyone getting the backing of Giants or an Ancient Weapon or getting control of the Seraphim...
>Not even close... Are you sure you have been following this story properly?
Whenever anyone thought Luffy was far ahead, whether it was individual strength, the number of RPG copies obtained or anything really, they always got proven wrong.
He isn't leaving people in the dust and he always struggles so much that plot has to turn heaven and earth for him to end up victorious.
G5 will soon look like nothing special, especially not ahead of others as soon as someone shows dominance over it.
It already happened as deathbed Kaido knocked it out twice but all people remember is a big panchi...
I would have to go with either Luffy who has Zoro, Jimbei and Sanji on top of a very decent grand fleet or BB who, same as Luffy, has people like Shiryu and Kuzan on top of a huge fleet, the only issue is we have no idea what his fleets look like in terms of strength; we saw Don Krieg and Gin so it seems decent as well.
Buggy has Mihawk and Croco which is insanely powerful but that's it, his fleet seems weak.
Shanks cannot compete as his fleet is non existent and his crew even if strong cannot fight whole fleets of decently strong fighters on top of the main crews.
Buggy has Mihawk and Croco which is insanely powerful but that's it, his fleet seems weak.
Shanks cannot compete as his fleet is non existent and his crew even if strong cannot fight whole fleets of decently strong fighters on top of the main crews.
It's between Blackbeard and Shanks, and it really depends on if Blackbeard and his crew have reached their peak yet. They also have a former admiral, which really helps to increase their overall strength. Shanks on the other hand has Beckman, Roux, and Yasopp, who are all portrayed above normal commanders.
Luffy and Buggy are the new additions to the Yonko, and I don't believe they are fully done growing as world powers.
Luffy and Buggy are the new additions to the Yonko, and I don't believe they are fully done growing as world powers.