Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mathias]

Ruling France for a decade is an emperor level feat tho


Might continue until death

17 years with continental wars won is an emperor feat. 10 years is sadly simply two terms ...

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Two différent things here

LFI is not better than RN in my book

But the whole NFP with socialist + Green Party + LFI is better than the RN (far right) alone

because Socialist who are reasonable and a real Republican Party would balance things

And the NFP/left alliance doesn’t include liberals or center. And it’s the real problem of that alliance. Because of the far left they can’t open up the alliance to center or more reasonnable left

Because the far left has a lot of weight in its alliance this will never works

Socialist party is basically liberal. They even have Francois Hollande the traitor of the left among them...

What is a "real Republican Party" for you ? And why are you so scared of LFI that isn't even far-left as the Conseil d'État said so ?

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

17 years with continental wars won is an emperor feat. 10 years is sadly simply two terms ...

in the context of modern France it is impressive

 

[Mathias]

NFP > Le Pen any day

But LFI / Le Pen is same same for me

10 years ago I would have voted for Melenchon against Le Pen any day

5 years ago I would have voted Melenchon against Le pen but with lot less enthusiasm than before but still

Today I think both are as bad as the other

whose fault is that ? Melenchon and the far left which sank deeper and deeper

Do you think they "sank deeper and deeper" because of the massacres in Israel and Palestine ?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Are mods far rightist now as well ? WTF is wrong with this forum ?

You can't be right and wrong at the same time.

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I don't know but @RayanOO said far right in France is better than what you guys have rn? And, he's Fench

No, the far right is not better. Not at all.

French "far right" is centrist rather than far right. You need to stop listening to MSM garbage, everything gets called far right it loses its meaning and causes confusion.

 

[Mathias]

in the context of modern France it is impressive

To be fair they all did two terms as far as I can recall. Except for Hollande who had no charisma and had betrayed half of the country (his term killed the popularity of the Socialist Party) and Sarkozy who was so deep in corruption that only Berlusconi and Trump could rival with him.

Macron, despite the gilet jaunes, got reelected in 2022 thanks to the left and the two rounds system

 

[RebelliousSoma]

No chance in ever normalizing alt right. Any kind of treating other people like less than for some nationalist agenda (no matter what country) just because of a few policies seems back pedaling in time.

Trump and Project 2025 is the end of democracy in US. Simple.

Seriously? Illegals are called illegals because they didn't do their paperwork, just do the stupid paperwork, then idiots can complain all they want.

Sounds like your concerns is rather about racists who are angry some black guy with a degree achieved more in life than them.

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Astrology Bros...

I knew someone talking about astrology all day. Should have paid closer attention?

 

[RayanOO]

Do you think they "sank deeper and deeper" because of the massacres in Israel and Palestine ?

Obviously their reactions concerning Israel / Palestine actively participated to the sink

Legimitizing massacre and polarizing the debate of the whole European campaign was atrocisous

everyday you have a word or a tweet that is beyond imagination

Melenchon posing with Rima Hassan with keffieh for the legislative election is once again a provocation and polarizing everyone

But even before since 2022 LFI has been a mess, every turn every law they were messing around

But obviously since the 7th October things went south and fast

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To be fair they all did two terms as far as I can recall. Except for Hollande who had no charisma and had betrayed half of the country (his term killed the popularity of the Socialist Party) and Sarkozy who was so deep in corruption that only Berlusconi and Trump could rival with him.

Macron, despite the gilet jaunes, got reelected in 2022 thanks to the left and the two rounds system

Nope

Pompidou died so only one term and not even completed

Giscard only one term and beaten by Mitterand in 1981

and for Chirac and Mitterand who both did two terms they got elected again while having lost the legislative election and not governing the country prior to the election

Macron is the first one who won again while having the majority and really governing

 

[Mathias]

Melenchon posing with Rima Hassan with keffieh for the legislative election is once again a provocation and polarizing everyone

What's wrong with wearing a keffieh and what do you think is wrong with Rima Hassan ?

And who are they provoking ?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Isn't Macron a Centrist

Doesn't look or sound, nor act like one.

 

[Mathias]

Macron is the first one who won again while having the majority and really governing

What majority ? Current situation is a fuck up for him

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Bro Le Pen is far worse .

Nope.

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Socialist party is basically liberal.

Don't conflate the two, they are not the same thing. Plenty of historical authoritarian socialist examples.

 

[RayanOO]

What majority ? Current situation is a fuck up for him

In 2022 before the election he had the majority and was ruling the country

I’m not talking about today

While Mitterand and Chirac got elected again while not really governing. Mitterand lost the legislative and it’s was Chirac and the RPR which governed the country and Chirac dissolved the parliament and it was Jospin and the left / PS which governed the country,

So it was a bit « easier » to be elected again while not actively governing

 

[Mathias]

Don't conflate the two, they are not the same thing. Plenty of historical authoritarian socialist examples.

French PS (Socialist Party) stopped being socialist a few decades ago... their last president was a hell of a neo-liberal.

It's like saying that current Labour Party is socialist or even social-democrat....

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Nope.

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Don't conflate the two, they are not the same thing. Plenty of historical authoritarian socialist examples.

Her ultimate agenda is to get France out of European Union .

Basically French Nigel Farage .

 

[Mathias]

In 2022 before the election he had the majority and was ruling the country

You mean from 2017 elections to 2022 then.


Anyway I see you're dodging the Israel/Palestine and LFI questions

 

[RayanOO]

Anyway I see you're dodging the Israel/Palestine and LFI questions

lol don’t worry

French PS (Socialist Party) stopped being socialist a few decades ago... their last president was a hell of a neo-liberal.

And what is being a socialist ?

was Mitterand a real socialist too after the first 2 years of his government ?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

It's like saying that current Labour Party is socialist or even social-democrat....

It's literally the definition of the Labour party. Keir Starmer self describes as a socialist.

 

[Mathias]

lol don’t worry

I worry

And what is being a socialist ?

was Mitterand a real socialist too after the first 2 years of his government ?

That's a good question. Mitterrand stopped passing socialist reforms after two years indeed. Many argue that the choices taken were bad and that they weren't ineluctable. Other alternatives existed.

It's literally the definition of the Labour party. Keir Starmer self describes as a socialist.

Did he you should check a quick youtube video essay about socialism then. Maybe @Logiko can help you find one

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Doesn't look or sound, nor act like one.

??
Who made you the judge

 

[Reborn]

In 2022 before the election he had the majority and was ruling the country

I’m not talking about today

While Mitterand and Chirac got elected again while not really governing. Mitterand lost the legislative and it’s was Chirac and the RPR which governed the country and Chirac dissolved the parliament and it was Jospin and the left / PS which governed the country,

So it was a bit « easier » to be elected again while not actively governing

Why are you dodging Israel/Palestine issue and LFI questions?

Don't worry we won't tell logiko where you live in France