General & Others Zoro soul manipulation

[Albino 👑]

So through his swords Zoro carries on the wills of multiple people

For example enma carries on the wills of Kozaburo the man that forged it and oden the man that wielded it. Enma choosing zoro to be the one to inherit those will
While not directly it’s also tied hiyori as well through odens will in a way. With it being the sword she was supposed to inherit

Wado like enma was also forged by Kozaburo so it also carries on his will. Tho imo both were forged with different intentions in mind. Him likely making enma with the thought of making it as strong as possible to cut down strong opponents but making wado with the thought of it being used to protect his family
Which is why wado’s personality isn’t nearly as dangerous to enma. Probably the same thought process sukiyaki had when making habakiri for his son

Besides Kozaburo wado more importantly to zoro carries in the will of kuina. Probably koushirou too to an extent since he was also likely the previous user

As for sandai we know it was forged by sukiyaki and was given to him by Tashigi and ipponmatsu
Tho it’s just a theory I like to imagine sandai previously belonged to zoro’s father arashi before he was killed by pirates. With it probably supposed to be passed down to zoro by his mother before she died probably. Since it’s sword seems to be tied to an important woman in Zoro’s life

We’ve seen oden’s soul play a direct role in the story with his will being passed on through the scabbards and enma
With us out of wano and zoro not anywhere near hiyori or kaido idk if odens will in the blade will play a role again but maybe idk

Maybe we’ll also end up kuina’s soul somehow play a role in Zoro’s fight with mihawk because he’s the wss obviously. Maybe even shiryu if he’s a serious contender for the title for zoro. If either has tied to kuina’s dad it’d be cool imo

We don’t know who actually killed Zoro’s father but if they ever end up being relevant in any way it’d be cool to see sandai react to them

Maybe like how brook has mastery to manipulate his soul maybe zoro will be able master and manipulate the souls embedded into the blades

 

[mly90]

Still posting garbage nonsense about non existent sword abilities

 

[Albino 👑]

Still posting garbage nonsense about non existent sword abilities

 

[SkySanji]

Ztards aren't gonna like this one

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Cope lol. It just draws out Zoro's Haki

 

[Cruxroux]

Does blue lining it makes it more credible?

And Kaidou is simply I would say is wrong.
Kaidou sensed Enma not Oden. He is confusing it with oden , Because he's the only one to fight him using Enma. And now zoro.

We have already seen Swords have presence.
- Zoro noticing Sandai , Nidai and Shodai.
- Luffy sensing Nidai.
- Kaidou sensing Enma.
- Nasujuro noticing Sandai.

These are cursed blades.

If your thoery is correct Out of all Swords Shusui should have a presense. But it didn't.

 

[Malio]

Another thread where dumbino tells us he can't read

 

[Albino 👑]

Cope lol. It just draws out Zoro's Haki

Does blue lining it makes it more credible?

And Kaidou is simply I would say is wrong.
Kaidou sensed Enma not Oden. He is confusing it with oden , Because he's the only one to fight him using Enma. And now zoro.

We have already seen Swords have presence.
- Zoro noticing Sandai , Nidai and Shodai.
- Luffy sensing Nidai.
- Kaidou sensing Enma.
- Nasujuro noticing Sandai.

These are cursed blades.

If your thoery is correct Out of all Swords Shusui should have a presense. But it didn't.

I didn’t say anything about haki

Odens soul “lived on” through his retainers and his swords. With us specifically getting a lot more highlight on enma because it was actually used during the war

All blades relevant enough give off their own presence yes but kaido was specifically able to feel odens presence from the blade

It’s the same reason as why he felt it against the scabbards
Aka kaido is relevant to oden. So when they come face to face with him odens will flows through them even more

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But Emma’s not even the whole point

We know blades can somehow carry on the soul or will of its previous owners

• Kuina’s might live on through wado
• Hopefully zoro’s dad through sandai
• And obviously odens through enma

Idk if oda is gonna bring up odens again since we left kaido and hiyori in wano but for the other 2 it might be relevant

 

[Daikenki]

"Enma draws out user's ryou"

albino the autistic zoro hate boner obsessed retard: *makes a thread about magical sword bs for the billionth time*

 

[Albino 👑]

"Enma draws out user's ryou"

albino the autistic zoro hate boner obsessed retard: *makes a thread about magical sword bs for the billionth time*

Do you think oden’s will/soul played a role in the scabbards vs kaido?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

We know blades can somehow carry on the soul or will of its previous owners

This is flowery language that doesn’t mean anything literal

Oda has told us multiple times that resolve can give characters instant power ups from nowhere

We are told this by Nami in Ennies Lobby, that the simple reason that the strawhats learned that Robin didn’t want to leave them IS ENOUGH to make them stronger

This what that flowery language means. Samurai get stronger from their dead fellow’s katanas because their resolve increases when using their fallen people’s weapons

Get it? It’s a state of mind thing. And yes Resolve sounds very similar to Haki, which it might as well be. We know that people’s haki increases passively even when they themselves can’t actually use haki, As demonstrated by Teach pointing out Luffy’s haki increases pre time skip even when Luffy didn’t know what haki was

So you’re vaguely right about the gist but not the mechanics. There is no actual Haki/will power transferring through swords from dead people… Characters simply get resolve from thinking and acting for their fallen comrades and that tangibly becomes power in One piece because Resolve/haki are vaguely related

For example Kin’emon jumped SEVERAL power levels from his Dressrosa performance to his Wano Performance simply because he CARES MORE about Kaido

Anyway you’ve also forgotten how CoO works. CoO not only senses power levels but senses Intent… Remember… you can use CoO to basically READ PEOPLE’S MINDS AND HEARTS… That’s how Enel could predict people’s attacks… that’s how Fujitora could tell that the Dressrosa citizens were happy for Luffy even when they pretended to chase him away… That’s how Luffy supposedly could tell that Katakuri was a “nice guy” even though he was beating the shit out him

Kaido has CoO… He can sense an Oden like RESOLVE in the scabbards… that’s what he’s sensing… He has CoO remember… the Scabbards have as much resolve to vanquish him As Oden did… that’s the Oden presence he sensed… But Kaido realized that they don’t actually have Oden’s power…

When they landed their last move on him, he directly says they indeed had the spirit of Oden but NOT his power so Their actual HAKI is not Oden level, despite their resolve to Vanquish him being on his level

So resolve CAN turn into strength but it’s not THE SAME AS strength


And this applies to Enma too. It’s just CoO. We know it’s possible to identify cursed swords with CoO. Zoro could identify that Chopper was holding his Sandai Kitetsu back in water seven even without looking at it… Enma is Oden’s cursed sword… So with CoO the sword once again reminds Kaido of Oden… whatever “cursedness” cursed swords have can be identified with enough CoO… Even Big mom could tell Enma was cursed and she never met Oden… And Enma’s curse is the strongest curse of all cursed swords to begin with

 

[Albino 👑]

This is flowery language that doesn’t mean anything literal

Oda has told us multiple times that resolve can give characters instant power ups from nowhere

We are told this by Nami in Ennies Lobby, that the simple reason that the strawhats learned that Robin didn’t want to leave them IS ENOUGH to make them stronger

This what that flowery language means. Samurai get stronger from their dead fellow’s katanas because their resolve increases when using their fallen people’s weapons

Get it? It’s a state of mind thing. And yes Resolve sounds very similar to Haki, which it might as well be. We know that people’s haki increases passively even when they themselves can’t actually use haki, As demonstrated by Teach pointing out Luffy’s haki increases pre time skip even when Luffy didn’t know what haki was

So you’re vaguely right about the gist but not the mechanics. There is no actual Haki/will power transferring through swords from dead people… Characters simply get resolve from thinking and acting of their fallen comrades and that tangibly becomes power in One piece because Resolve/haki are vaguely related

For example Kin’emon jumped SEVERAL power levels from his Dressrosa performance to his Wano Performance simply because he CARES MORE about Kaido

Anyway you’ve also forgotten how CoO works. CoO not only senses power levels but senses Intent… Remember… you can use CoO to basically READ PEOPLE’S MINDS AND HEARTS… That’s how Enel could predict people’s attacks… that’s how Fujitora could tell that the Dressrosa citizens were happy for Luffy even when they pretended to chase him away… That’s how Luffy supposedly could tell that Katakuri was a “nice guy” even though he was beating the shit out him

Kaido has CoO… He can sense an Oden like RESOLVE in the scabbards… that’s what he’s sensing… He has CoO remember… the Scabbards have as much resolve to vanquish him As Oden did… that’s the Oden presence he sensed… But Kaido realized that they don’t actually have Oden’s power…

When they landed their last move on him, he directly says they indeed had the spirit of Oden but NOT his power so Their actual HAKI is not Oden level, despite their resolve to Vanquish him being on his level

So resolve CAN turn into strength but it’s not THE SAME AS strength


And this applies to Enma too. It’s just CoO. We know it’s possible to identify cursed swords with CoO. Zoro could identify that Chopper was holding his Sandai Kitetsu back in water seven even without looking at it… Enma is Oden’s cursed sword… So with CoO the sword once again reminds Kaido of Oden… whatever “cursedness” cursed swords have can be identified with enough CoO… Even Big mom could tell Enma was cursed and she never met Oden… And Enma’s curse is the strongest curse of all cursed swords to begin with

Yes odens will lived on through his retainers and enma

Because the retainers carry on odens will/soul + kaido’s oden ptsd = they were able to cut kaido
A feat most characters top tiers included wouldn’t be able to achieve

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yes odens will lived on through his retainers and enma

Because the retainers carry on odens will/soul + kaido’s oden ptsd = they were able to cut kaido
A feat most characters top tiers included wouldn’t be able to achieve

No, it’s scarring Kaido that is repeatedly said to be impossible… Damaging him is repeatedly said to just require ACoA

so… even Hyogoro can damage kaido… he has the same ability the scabbards do… I mean fucking Luffy was damaging Kaido without being a top tier too

It’s just AcOA… We even get a panel in the middle of this same chapter where Kin’emon remembers back to Oden teaching them AcOA… it’s a technique you can just learn my guy

Anyway I’ve explained everything and I’m not going to repeat myself

 

[Albino 👑]

No, it’s scarring Kaido that is repeatedly said to be impossible… Damaging him is repeatedly said to just require ACoA

so… even Hyogoro can damage kaido… he has the same ability the scabbards do… I mean fucking Luffy was damaging Kaido without being a top tier too

It’s just AcOA… We even get a panel in the middle of this same chapter where Kin’emon remembers back to Oden teaching them AcOA… it’s a technique you can just learn my guy

Anyway I’ve explained everything and I’m not going to repeat myself

No
Raisin can’t cut kaido lol

Kaido didn’t even know how they were cutting him before realizing it’s because they carry odens will

Being able to coat your blade in haki doesn’t let you cut kaido. Does it help you hurt kaido? Yes but that doesn’t mean they can cut him

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Raisin can’t cut kaido lol

Because Raizo isn’t a CQC fighter so he didn’t learn this haki technique that’s mainly a CQC ability

Wait a minute, this DISPROVES EVERYTHING YOU SAID

You said the scabbards aren’t using their own strengths they are just cutting Kaido because they borrowed strength from Oden… So Raizo should also be able to damage Kaido… He’s not even the weakest Scabbard… Doesn’t Raizo have Oden’s will too?

Hilariously you’ve presented an instant debunk to your point

Anyway it’s ACOA that damages Kaido… Killer doesn’t have ACOA and Zoro wasn’t using ACOA in that first attack… we know what Zoro using ACoA looks like… Oda gave Zoro his own special visual effects specifically for Zoro using ACoA that no one else in the manga has for some reason

 

[Albino 👑]

Because Raizo isn’t a CQC fighter so he didn’t learn this haki technique that’s mainly a CQC ability

Wait a minute, this DISPROVES EVERYTHING YOU SAID

You said the scabbards aren’t using their own strengths they are just cutting Kaido because they borrowed strength from Oden… So Raizo should also be able to damage Kaido… He’s not even the weakest Scabbard… Doesn’t Raizo have Oden’s will too?

Hilariously you’ve presented an instant debunk to your point

Anyway it’s ACOA that damages Kaido… Killer doesn’t have ACOA and Zoro wasn’t using ACOA in that first attack… we know what Zoro using ACoA looks like… Oda gave Zoro his own special visual effects specifically for Zoro using ACoA that no one else in the manga has for some reason

Raisin

Raisin can’t cut kaido

???
Raizo cut kaido lol. And yes the only reason they cut kaido is because of their connection to oden and being vassals for his will/soul

So now killer can’t use haki on his weapons? lol okay

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Raisin

Raisin can’t cut kaido

???
Raizo cut kaido lol. And yes the only reason they cut kaido is because of their connection to oden and being vassals for his will/soul

So now killer can’t use haki on his weapons? lol okay

Killer doesn’t have ACoA… ACoA is not CoA… Killer has CoA… Killer does not have ACoA

Have I repeated this enough for you?

anyway post the panel of Raizo failing to cut Kaido… I know you have it… I know you do… It’s there saved in your computer. You’re looking at it right now

This panel you posted doesn’t show Raizo cutting Kaido… it shows Raizo straining with all the scabbards to try and cut kaido

we get an explicit panel of Raizo failing to cut Kaido and you’ve seen it and you don’t want to post it

Raizo failing to cut Kaido is FURTHER proof that Oden’s haki isn’t magically powering these guys

 

[Albino 👑]

Killer doesn’t have ACoA… ACoA is not CoA… Killer has CoA… Killer does not have ACoA

Have I repeated this enough for you?

anyway post the panel of Raizo failing to cut Kaido… I know you have it… I know you do… It’s there saved in your computer. You’re looking at it right now

This panel you posted doesn’t show Raizo cutting Kaido… it shows Raizo straining with all the scabbards to try and cut kaido

we get an explicit panel of Raizo failing to cut Kaido and you’ve seen it and you don’t want to post it

Raizo failing to cut Kaido is FURTHER proof that Oden’s haki isn’t magically powering these guys

Ima be honest believing killer can’t coat his weapons in haki is very dumb


They’re all able to cut kaido lol
The only ones we see cut him in that panel is kinemon and Kiku. Assuming they’re the only ones that cut him is also very dumb
Thinking only raizo can’t cut or pierce kaido is even dumber

 

[HellBlazer04]

Another bait thread?
Why are u so obsessed with Zoro if u don't even like the character?
Anyways, this isn't bleach. There are no soul powers involved unless it's thru a DF like Brook's or BM's

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Ima be honest believing killer can’t coat his weapons in haki is very dumb

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