Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

The only thing confusing to me is your existence.

Damn, you kiss you partner good bye with that mouth ?

As for surgeries, look at the video I posted. They cut her breasts off.

A couple of things about this video:

- If the doctor indead prescribed puberty blockers right away without informing and taking the time to know the issue and be SURE that it was something real and not just a wish like she mentionned.. then this doctor must be put away from the medical field, he is a DANGER.

This however do not negate the benefits of gender affirming care or puberty blockers like demonstrated in the link I provided earlier.

- Despite what is implied in the video : Hormone therapy is reversible depending on how long you are taking it.
- Gender affirming surgery shoudn't be possible at 15, so what happened there ? (I'm not the best informed on local politics so I might be missing something here)
- She was happy (she said it herself) so absolutely NO gender disphoria whatsoever. Meaning that the DOCTORS didn't make their jobs.

The distress of this girl is real and must be listenned to. But this doesn't change ANYTHING about the reality of kids going through REAL gender disphoria.

Dude, you say one thing at the beginning and another one afterwards lol

No mate. I said that I MIGHT try. This is called a potentiality. This doesn't mean that I want to try, it means that I'm not closed to the idea if my vision of relationship evolves.

I'm not stuck in stone, visions of the world evolve.

For stating a fact?

For thinking that its a fact

So what are you gonna do? You either attract your fans or your view count barely reaches hundreds of views despite uploading lots of videos.

Well.. that's the million dollar question

The bold one is fucking irony considering you constantly run away from the reality and other challenges and blame your entire misfortune on the "SYSTEM".

See, another rightist rethoric. You are shining more and more mate, you are no different than others

Buddy, what are you gonna do?

Fight the system ?

Like, you cannot prevent people from getting successful while you're living in poverty.

Yes you can, let your voice be heard. Vote for the right people. Unionize, create association and influencial groups, turn the tables.

Like, you could have just asked me such stuff instead of labelling me on a certain politic spectrum and I would agree on a heartbeat instead of rambling on about the guy receiving 6 figures, who would most likely have fun with your girl if you're allowing her to get physical with other dudes, lmao.

Okay. let's try this method. Prove me wrong:

Do you you believe in meritocracy ?
Do you think that rich people deserves their money ?
Do you think that we should strengthen the rights of workers in businesses ?
Do you think that we should not allow bosses to be pay themselves 50 times more than their employees ?
Do you think that we should tax to a minimum of 90 all rich people over a certain degree of fortune ?
Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested ?
Do you think that Biden or Macron are actually increasing inequalities in their countries ?
Do you think that media should be able to be financed by the state ?
Do you think that we must privatize less and nationalize more ?
Do you think that we should allow children to get gender affirming care ?
Do you think that migrant should be able to enter the country and be given citizenship ?

I have a thousand of question for you, but answer at least those one. I will see if you are a leftist or not. After all, I might change my mind.

You just come up with lots of excuses, wall of texts and you're constantly demanding, demanding and demanding.
Is this your rational way of thinking? Highly increasing taxes of more successful people? Do you think it solves the issues?

No it won't solve the issue. One simple politic won't solve the issue. Its the accumulation of similar politics that will create meaningfull change.

At least you're admitting how it's difficult teaching you things.

Its VERY EASY to teach me thing. Really, you have no idea how much my mind is actually malleable.

But for that, you need to prove to me that I'm wrong and that's not something every can do.

You know what infuriates me?
You have no job, you pay no taxes, as of now, you don't contribute anything to society, isn't it? It isn't technically wrong since you're dealing with your own mental health issues or whatever prevents you from socialising, yet you're demanding such a ridiculous BS about people nearly paying 90% of their income when they're wealthier than you. Imagine the audacity.

I don't know why I would need to be a slave of society for my demand of a better society to be more legitimate sir.

I have the priviledge of being able to talk and the time to learn. So trust me, I will use it.

Associated:"related/connected/linked/correlated/analogous/similar/alike". Those erratas meant shit, they were all saying the same thing.The studies were not invalidated.

No mate. Words are important. But I can understand that you might have a problem of reflexion here. Let me break it down to you once again since you want another L:

Saying that the risk of suicide is ASSOCIATED with people underwent GAS is DIFFERENT than saying that the risk of suicide is ASSOCIATED with gender affirming surgeries.

In one case there is a correlation in the other a causation.

Do you understand the difference between those two notions ? The correction is literally making it clear the initial conclusion was establishing a causation when in reality there is just a correlation.

Simple and yet.. you missed it.

You discarded one study because it was published by a religious institution(ad hominem)

THIS IS THE SAME STUDY YOU COPERNICUS WANNABE

This one : https://www.cureus.com/articles/201...-harm-following-gender-affirmation-surgery#!/

FFS Read and check your sources !

 

[Mathias]

Not true. There's some entire sub-christian movement around de-trans who say they got saved by the bible and escaped suicide.

Lots suicide after they transition.

This video is also relevant.

How is « sub Christian movement » even considered legit when it comes to trans people ??

 

[park_min young]

Brother, every day I feel pissed I can't just slit my self and get this shit over with. I mean that from my heart. I know very well what it's like to suffer and to have mental issues. But, with that being said, it still isn't similar to the pain of straight up dying. I don't think it will ever be like that.

It depends on the method of death. Bleeding out is at least quick compared to a prolonged agony from severe mental illnesses. Your brain and adrenaline will most likely numb your perception of pain at some point anyways. It takes a few minutes tops before you pass out from blood loss.

The real scary thing about death is the idea that it’s permanent and there’s no hope anymore to live the life that you want. The only thing stopping people from ending things is hope that things gets better, if a theoretical time traveller told them that it doesn’t then they’d take the death pill right away.

 

[Zemmi]

It depends on the method of death. Bleeding out is at least quick compared to a prolonged agony from severe mental illnesses. Your brain and adrenaline will most likely numb your perception of pain at some point anyways. It takes a few minutes tops before you pass out from blood loss.

The real scary thing about death is the idea that it’s permanent and there’s no hope anymore to live the life that you want. The only thing stopping people from ending things is hope that things gets better, if a theoretical time traveller told them that it doesn’t then they’d the death pill right away.

I hope they know it gets better and those darkest moments will pass.

 

[Mathias]

South Park episode when Mr Garrison transitions into a women was brutally traumatising for an entire generation

 

[Uncle Van]

Segway from one of the big topics, censorship because it can "hurt someone's feelings" is stupid. Words aren't harmful, but the people are. Its all about the context and intention behind the word. "Immigrant" is to be censored to "(un)documented" person" because #1 of grown ass adults may find it offensive. Even the work "fuck" is being censored to an extent because less than #1 of adults find it offensive in mature-rated content.

Censorship is just trying to create the illusion that the world is safer and kinder than it really is, and obviously creates very fragile mentalities.

 

[Mathias]

Segway from one of the big topics, censorship because it can "hurt someone's feelings" is stupid. Words aren't harmful, but the people are. Its all about the context and intention behind the word. "Immigrant" is to be censored to "(un)documented" person" because #1 of grown ass adults may find it offensive. Even the work "fuck" is being censored to an extent because less than #1 of adults find it offensive in mature-rated content.

Censorship is just trying to create the illusion that the world is safer and kinder than it really is, and obviously creates very fragile mentalities.

Aren’t undocumented person and immigrant different things ? I’ll always remain an immigrant but I have ID cards

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It depends on the method of death. Bleeding out is at least quick compared to a prolonged agony from severe mental illnesses. Your brain and adrenaline will most likely numb your perception of pain at some point anyways. It takes a few minutes tops before you pass out from blood loss.

The real scary thing about death is the idea that it’s permanent and there’s no hope anymore to live the life that you want. The only thing stopping people from ending things is hope that things gets better, if a theoretical time traveller told them that it doesn’t then they’d take the death pill right away.

I guess that depends on the type of person you are. For me, I feel that I'd keep living even if I was aware that life would never get better for me. The important thing is to prioritize how my family and other types of loved ones will feel if I'm gone. But, not everyone will think that way.

 

[park_min young]

I hope they know it gets better and those darkest moments will pass.

Well yeah it will eventually get better and go back to being bad. An endless cycle for the majority of folks, but some people objectively have bad circumstances. For example, severely unlucky and traumatized adults. There’s also people living in poverty and war zones, shit like that.

 

[Uncle Van]

Aren’t undocumented person and immigrant different things ? I’ll always remain an immigrant but I have ID cards

That's nowhere near the point? And why does it matter? Non immigrants find the word Immigrant offensive so they want it changed to document person instead. That is stupid. What more needs to be said?

 

[Roo]

Segway from one of the big topics, censorship because it can "hurt someone's feelings" is stupid. Words aren't harmful, but the people are. Its all about the context and intention behind the word. "Immigrant" is to be censored to "(un)documented" person" because #1 of grown ass adults may find it offensive. Even the work "fuck" is being censored to an extent because less than #1 of adults find it offensive in mature-rated content.

Censorship is just trying to create the illusion that the world is safer and kinder than it really is, and obviously creates very fragile mentalities.

I mean words can be harmful, it's why we don't typically call people slurs

tho I see the point you're making, but that's just extremes imo. nobody really is hurt by the word immigrant seems like an issue someone took upon themselves to "fix"

 

[NAMELESS]

Damn, you kiss you partner good bye with that mouth ?



A couple of things about this video:

- If the doctor indead prescribed puberty blockers right away without informing and taking the time to know the issue and be SURE that it was something real and not just a wish like she mentionned.. then this doctor must be put away from the medical field, he is a DANGER.

This however do not negate the benefits of gender affirming care or puberty blockers like demonstrated in the link I provided earlier.

- Despite what is implied in the video : Hormone therapy is reversible depending on how long you are taking it.
- Gender affirming surgery shoudn't be possible at 15, so what happened there ? (I'm not the best informed on local politics so I might be missing something here)
- She was happy (she said it herself) so absolutely NO gender disphoria whatsoever. Meaning that the DOCTORS didn't make their jobs.

The distress of this girl is real and must be listenned to. But this doesn't change ANYTHING about the reality of kids going through REAL gender disphoria.


No mate. I said that I MIGHT try. This is called a potentiality. This doesn't mean that I want to try, it means that I'm not closed to the idea if my vision of relationship evolves.

I'm not stuck in stone, visions of the world evolve.



For thinking that its a fact



Well.. that's the million dollar question



See, another rightist rethoric. You are shining more and more mate, you are no different than others




Fight the system ?



Yes you can, let your voice be heard. Vote for the right people. Unionize, create association and influencial groups, turn the tables.


Okay. let's try this method. Prove me wrong:

Do you you believe in meritocracy ?
Do you think that rich people deserves their money ?
Do you think that we should strengthen the rights of workers in businesses ?
Do you think that we should not allow bosses to be pay themselves 50 times more than their employees ?
Do you think that we should tax to a minimum of 90 all rich people over a certain degree of fortune ?
Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested ?
Do you think that Biden or Macron are actually increasing inequalities in their countries ?
Do you think that media should be able to be financed by the state ?
Do you think that we must privatize less and nationalize more ?
Do you think that we should allow children to get gender affirming care ?
Do you think that migrant should be able to enter the country and be given citizenship ?

I have a thousand of question for you, but answer at least those one. I will see if you are a leftist or not. After all, I might change my mind.



No it won't solve the issue. One simple politic won't solve the issue. Its the accumulation of similar politics that will create meaningfull change.



Its VERY EASY to teach me thing. Really, you have no idea how much my mind is actually malleable.

But for that, you need to prove to me that I'm wrong and that's not something every can do.



I don't know why I would need to be a slave of society for my demand of a better society to be more legitimate sir.

I have the priviledge of being able to talk and the time to learn. So trust me, I will use it.



No mate. Words are important. But I can understand that you might have a problem of reflexion here. Let me break it down to you once again since you want another L:

Saying that the risk of suicide is ASSOCIATED with people underwent GAS is DIFFERENT than saying that the risk of suicide is ASSOCIATED with gender affirming surgeries.

In one case there is a correlation in the other a causation.

Do you understand the difference between those two notions ? The correction is literally making it clear the initial conclusion was establishing a causation when in reality there is just a correlation.

Simple and yet.. you missed it.


THIS IS THE SAME STUDY YOU COPERNICUS WANNABE

This one : https://www.cureus.com/articles/201...-harm-following-gender-affirmation-surgery#!/

FFS Read and check your sources !

Quote me where i said the surgeries were the cause of suicide. Suicide is complex and hard to point a clear cause. We all know trans people are prone to it. The studies were about the increased likelihood of suicide post-surgery. Don't put words in my mouth and learn to read.

 

[Uncle Van]

I mean words can be harmful, it's why we don't typically call people slurs

tho I see the point you're making, but that's just extremes imo. nobody really is hurt by the word immigrant seems like an issue someone took upon themselves to "fix"

Again, it's all about context and intention. The movie Djanjo for example was throwing racial slurs like free caffeine but it was for historical accuracy. Didnt stop people from trying to cancel Leonardo Decaprio for being "racist." Offense will be taken no matter what so no reason to suppress even history to appeal to those fools.

 

[NAMELESS]

Again, it's all about context and intention. The movie Djanjo for example was throwing racial slurs like free caffeine but it was for historical accuracy. Didnt stop people from trying to cancel Leonardo Decaprio for being "racist." Offense will be taken no matter what so no reason to suppress even history to appeal to those fools.

Leornado is so good i actually hated his character. Also, he fucked up his hand and rolled with it in one scene.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

man i hate how long logiko's posts are. feels like a chore to scroll past them sometimes

 

[Ravagerblade]

man i hate how long logiko's posts are. feels like a chore to scroll past them sometimes

People still actually take time to read them? Bruh

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

People still actually take time to read them? Bruh

dude posts whole bibles worths of text, his leftist library thread is literally the longest thread on the forum iirc, he hit the mark for the amount of words allowed in a thread

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

dude posts whole bibles worths of text, his leftist library thread is literally the longest thread on the forum iirc, he hit the mark for the amount of words allowed in a thread

Wasting his talents on Worstgen lol. Should be a journalist.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Wasting his talents on Worstgen lol. Should be a journalist.

That would require legs on the ground...

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

That would require legs on the ground...

It would help with his lack of motivation (or whatever his excuse was)