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At least my that's my headcanon. I bet y'all would get along great in real life
At least my that's my headcanon. I bet y'all would get along great in real life
Not at all. Democrats are as leftist as I am queen Elisabeth.
Do you want an explanation ?
"being c*cked" is a slang term meaning "being cheated".
You are not cheated on when there is consent and trust mate, that's not how relationships work.
You are not understanding. I'm not poly, i'm simply not against experimenting things and if my partner want to do the same and we are BOTH okay (and only on that condition, which will probably won't happen because I don't really like the idea) this will be a simple experiment and nothing more.
You don't know yourself and don't seem at all confident with your sexuality mate (since you are using the most incel term there is to describe simple caudaulism), so don't try to lecture me on mine
Deal ?
Because I'm concentrated on your injonction to work. I don't need more. What you said didn't negate this injonction.
Yup. Trust me that I won't have someone like that in my relationships. I only keep people who have empathy and don't push their meritocratic belief system on others.
Have fun then
You want me to get radical and close to the far left ? I can do it, but that will look a lot different mate, I can assure you.
Mate, it was not an invitation for you to write about all the subject. I know that you agree with the majority. What i'm talking about is the valorasation and the amelioration of ALL those subjects.
For example going from 35 to 30 to 25 working hours, Better lay off condition for worker (in order not to be fired on a whim for example), more financial raises and better minimum wages etc.
Yeah, which was a logical think to think about, there is no reason for people to be paid billions
You don't need 3 million to live. But what you don't understand is that its a socialist reform, not a communist one. Leftism is so inexistent in your political environment that you think that a simple social reform like this one is communist.. your political compass is broken mate.
That's where I know that you are not well informed.
Those type of reforms are adaptative. Meaning that they adapt to the ressources of people. Someone with a annual revenue of 400000€ will not be taxed the same way as someone with 1 000 000 € or someone with 50 000 €
Aside from far rightist who I think are despicable people. I do not "accuse" people of being rightist or liberals. I counter them and call out their ignorance most of the time but I don't think they are bad people because of that.
I only label mate. You are missinformed.
"I don't care"
Your words, not mine.
Macron has always been a rightist/liberal. But nowaday he has become even more conservative and closer to the far right. Which is very concerning.
Hmm... I'm sceptical.
Its seems to be more of a liberal alliance rather than a leftist one. For example, if asked you if this government would be ready to increase the minimal wage drastically or tax high fortune to a very high %, would they agree ?
And the reason for the rise of the far right mmust be the same as in our country : media and liberal debating with them.
When you invite the far right to a debate, you are legitimizing it. So its not illogical to see it grow.
Why would they ?
Do you not understand that you are far more likely to be influence by your boss if they are directly paying you than if its simply an official direction ?
Trust me, its the BEST way to have freedom of expression. But for that, the state has to play the game and name someone at the head who wants to be correct and not push or repress ideologies.
With Billionnaire in control you will only have two forms of ideologies: Either far rightist, either liberal. And BOTH pro capitalist and pro meritocratic.
If the state media are left wing, its a good thing. It means that the counter power is working. Simple because leftist =/= liberals.
If you start to see some rightist in public media during a liberal gov. Its time to be REALLY SCARED.
No. I actually took the time to verify all your answer. There could have been a surprise. You are really underestimate my capacity for selfquestionning mate.
I'm capable of switching my vision of a person with a single message bra, so if you want me to start seeing you as something else than a rightist, then change your opinions.
Meritocracy IS rightism mate. Its the reason why you won't fight capitalism and therefore the reason why you are not on my side of the political spectrum.
Being rightist is not something awfull, it simply means that you believe in things that are opposed to what leftists believe in.
Simple as that.
Not my former boss, high fortunes. But for that you would need to be aware and understand REAL lefltist politics and propositions.
"I don't really care"
Again, your words, not mine.
The question was simple. "Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested? " It meant : Do you agree that Israel is committing appartheid and genocide and do you think that Netanyahou is a war criminal.
Your answer was : "I don't know, I don't really care".
Ergo : You don't really care about OBVIOUS oppressions. (or at least this one, but I can name you a few if you want)
This confirms what I say
No. Western countries doesn't "have it good with capitalism". Poverty is off the charts.
Wrong. Communism was not "proven" to be a failed ideology. It was proven to be simply volatile and very encline to let opportunist and oppressive leader take its lead.
Communism in the sence where it should have been created, was never created. What we saw are oppressive current of communism, just like there is an oppressive current of liberalism (libertarianism)
And that's what you don't understand at all. Between you and me, I'm the one with the knowledge, the history and science on my side.
You only have a belief system and your belief in your rationnalism.
You fell victim of the sophism known as "the middle ground solution". but there is no middle ground. There are only two side:
- The side that understand the danger of capitalism and try to fight or delete it
- The side that don't understand the danger of capitalism and try to strenghten or leave it as it is.
That's not true. Most leftists actually know MORE than me on leftism and politics...
But there are very few of those leftists in this thread.
No, simply not informed enough on what leftism is.
And its okay. I will not attack you for not knowing.... unless you start to prove me wrong and in this case you will not be ready for what will happen.
Science (sociology) negates the concept of meritocracy mate.
All Sciences are meant to give as objective results and reasonning as possible.
Structures of dominations and social structure or interactions are not "subjective topics" mate. They can be methodologically analysed, understood, deciphered, extrapolated and deconstructed.
Social behaviors is a real scientific subject.
This doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a problem. I can participate in society and still criticize it.
Systemic Racism is one of the 6 major problems of this social world. I do not need to be a victim of it to empathize with those who are, and therefore fight with them.
No really no. Educate yourself please.
Another reason why I can definitely say that you are a rightist. What concerns me is that usually, even progressist liberals are awayre at least on the surface that Patriarchy is a problem. You are not really helping your case here if you want to appear as a progressist.
Patriarchy is a documented social system that still exist. Weither you like it or not. For more about that > Leftist library
I bet that if I search very well, I will prove you that in reality, the system is not at all fighting to protect LGBTQI+ people in the US or in France or in Germany especially when said system is allowing the far right to strive.
No you don't. I think they should have this right.
You are literally speaking here with some people who are going against sociology and human sciences and are climatosceptics and antivaccine and/or complotist.
And if I want to be malicious I would bet that if I asked, a good part of people of this forum would say that they believe in the energetic power of stones or in naturopathy
Again, that's a characterization of rightist. They believe that the system is fairly ok and therefore do not understand why leftist actually are angry against said or said oppression.
I'm not blaming you of anything. You don't have to understand if you don't want to understand.
You are not a far rightist so I won't attack you the same way I attack Ravager or Nameless.
This is literally what it is.
That's precisely what I'm doing.
Trust me, I know for a fact what having social interactions and not having social interactions means.
How could I ? Did you ever read my bio ?
I suggest you take a look at it.
No. What I'm saying is that confusing the saying "you are participating in society" with the fact of being a productive member of society, is a capitalist thing to do. It reduces social interaction to their production value.
What I am doing here is simply interacting socially with you. But this interaction, however small it is, has an impact however small it can be. This make this interaction a "participation in society". In this case, the fanbase of One Piece in worstgen.
Its a very small impact, but it is still an impact.
Read my bio. You will understand.
Yes with social services.
You should check, its a leftist thing.
It almost did a few weeks ago. And the situation is not fixed. So... yeah..
No I don't care. Its your problem, not mine. I just don't want to receive moral lesson about inequalities from you. That's all.
The saying "we can't do anything, so lets not do anything"
Sorry.. not my motto
I'm always quoting what is necessary. You can always use the context of your sentences as an excuse to say dumb things mate.
Yup I would love to
What you don't understand is that the structure in itself IS the thing creating exploitation. Its not something done because people want to exploit others. Its created because of the structuration of the system.
And right now, unless you tell me that there exist a country where workers owns their means of production, business owners are exploiting people.
Its very, very simple. If you profit from the value and production created by other, you are exploiting them. And yes, this is my communist side kicking in.
I'm not. For now, i'm not a communist, I only support some of their idea. I'm not advocating for a system where there is only one party.
Once again, i'm not that radical, I'm a reformist.
Yeah
Well, this specific job might actually be one of the reasons why I'm in this situation right now. I felt the weight of exploitation during a few month on power x1000. And you know what traumatized me ?
I was ok with it.
One of the thing you are missing about me.
He did not "encapsulate" me. It liberated me.
Well.. I like drama
If you want, I can explain to you in detail how I can arrive to this conclusions.
Yes, democrats are progressive right wingers.
This is not news.
Don't underestimate me
A mate of taste
Amazing stuff. I don't think I will retain most of it, but very interesting.
Are you an historian on Nazi germany ?
This part made me shiver
I'm usually not against letting report go away.
Unless its fascistic rethoric, which is the case here (me being partly communist). So I will report that until the day I leave the forum if I have to.
This is a question of principle.
Again. Transphobia is the act of discrimination against trans people. Weither by word or by actions.
You can think you don't like trans people, but saying it or saying for example "trans women are not women", is simply transphobic. It perpetuates discriminations and makes you complicit in them.
This is not a debate.
Yes you do.
OR
You don't talk about them or to any person about them and in that case, there is indeed no problem.
Yes it does.
I do not believe, but I have no right to negate the right of other to believe or even say that others should not be able to believe.
We are talking about discrimination here. Meaning not accepting people for who they are.
There is no debate to have. If you depict such behavior against trans people, you are transphobic.
Period.
No. It does the opposite. Its targets specifically the discrimination in order to fight it more effectively.
Again, I never said that you were transphobic mate.
You arrived at this conclusion yourself.
I said that you shared transphobic rethoric. Which is not exactly the same thing in the specific context that we were in.
Xione, on the other hand, was transphobic.
Liberals.. being liberals..
Do you want an explanation ?
"being c*cked" is a slang term meaning "being cheated".
You are not cheated on when there is consent and trust mate, that's not how relationships work.
You are not understanding. I'm not poly, i'm simply not against experimenting things and if my partner want to do the same and we are BOTH okay (and only on that condition, which will probably won't happen because I don't really like the idea) this will be a simple experiment and nothing more.
You don't know yourself and don't seem at all confident with your sexuality mate (since you are using the most incel term there is to describe simple caudaulism), so don't try to lecture me on mine
Deal ?
Because I'm concentrated on your injonction to work. I don't need more. What you said didn't negate this injonction.
Yup. Trust me that I won't have someone like that in my relationships. I only keep people who have empathy and don't push their meritocratic belief system on others.
Have fun then
Are you not even aware of that? 
Mate, it was not an invitation for you to write about all the subject. I know that you agree with the majority. What i'm talking about is the valorasation and the amelioration of ALL those subjects.
For example going from 35 to 30 to 25 working hours, Better lay off condition for worker (in order not to be fired on a whim for example), more financial raises and better minimum wages etc.
Yeah, which was a logical think to think about, there is no reason for people to be paid billions
You don't need 3 million to live. But what you don't understand is that its a socialist reform, not a communist one. Leftism is so inexistent in your political environment that you think that a simple social reform like this one is communist.. your political compass is broken mate.
That's where I know that you are not well informed.
Those type of reforms are adaptative. Meaning that they adapt to the ressources of people. Someone with a annual revenue of 400000€ will not be taxed the same way as someone with 1 000 000 € or someone with 50 000 €
Aside from far rightist who I think are despicable people. I do not "accuse" people of being rightist or liberals. I counter them and call out their ignorance most of the time but I don't think they are bad people because of that.
I only label mate. You are missinformed.
"I don't care"
Your words, not mine.
Macron has always been a rightist/liberal. But nowaday he has become even more conservative and closer to the far right. Which is very concerning.
Hmm... I'm sceptical.
Its seems to be more of a liberal alliance rather than a leftist one. For example, if asked you if this government would be ready to increase the minimal wage drastically or tax high fortune to a very high %, would they agree ?
And the reason for the rise of the far right mmust be the same as in our country : media and liberal debating with them.
When you invite the far right to a debate, you are legitimizing it. So its not illogical to see it grow.
Why would they ?
Do you not understand that you are far more likely to be influence by your boss if they are directly paying you than if its simply an official direction ?
Trust me, its the BEST way to have freedom of expression. But for that, the state has to play the game and name someone at the head who wants to be correct and not push or repress ideologies.
With Billionnaire in control you will only have two forms of ideologies: Either far rightist, either liberal. And BOTH pro capitalist and pro meritocratic.
If the state media are left wing, its a good thing. It means that the counter power is working. Simple because leftist =/= liberals.
If you start to see some rightist in public media during a liberal gov. Its time to be REALLY SCARED.
No. I actually took the time to verify all your answer. There could have been a surprise. You are really underestimate my capacity for selfquestionning mate.
I'm capable of switching my vision of a person with a single message bra, so if you want me to start seeing you as something else than a rightist, then change your opinions.
Meritocracy IS rightism mate. Its the reason why you won't fight capitalism and therefore the reason why you are not on my side of the political spectrum.
Being rightist is not something awfull, it simply means that you believe in things that are opposed to what leftists believe in.
Simple as that.
Not my former boss, high fortunes. But for that you would need to be aware and understand REAL lefltist politics and propositions.
"I don't really care"
Again, your words, not mine.
The question was simple. "Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested? " It meant : Do you agree that Israel is committing appartheid and genocide and do you think that Netanyahou is a war criminal.
Your answer was : "I don't know, I don't really care".
Ergo : You don't really care about OBVIOUS oppressions. (or at least this one, but I can name you a few if you want)
This confirms what I say
No. Western countries doesn't "have it good with capitalism". Poverty is off the charts.
Wrong. Communism was not "proven" to be a failed ideology. It was proven to be simply volatile and very encline to let opportunist and oppressive leader take its lead.
Communism in the sence where it should have been created, was never created. What we saw are oppressive current of communism, just like there is an oppressive current of liberalism (libertarianism)
And that's what you don't understand at all. Between you and me, I'm the one with the knowledge, the history and science on my side.
You only have a belief system and your belief in your rationnalism.
You fell victim of the sophism known as "the middle ground solution". but there is no middle ground. There are only two side:
- The side that understand the danger of capitalism and try to fight or delete it
- The side that don't understand the danger of capitalism and try to strenghten or leave it as it is.
That's not true. Most leftists actually know MORE than me on leftism and politics...
But there are very few of those leftists in this thread.
No, simply not informed enough on what leftism is.
And its okay. I will not attack you for not knowing.... unless you start to prove me wrong and in this case you will not be ready for what will happen.
Science (sociology) negates the concept of meritocracy mate.
All Sciences are meant to give as objective results and reasonning as possible.
Structures of dominations and social structure or interactions are not "subjective topics" mate. They can be methodologically analysed, understood, deciphered, extrapolated and deconstructed.
Social behaviors is a real scientific subject.
This doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a problem. I can participate in society and still criticize it.
Systemic Racism is one of the 6 major problems of this social world. I do not need to be a victim of it to empathize with those who are, and therefore fight with them.
No really no. Educate yourself please.
Another reason why I can definitely say that you are a rightist. What concerns me is that usually, even progressist liberals are awayre at least on the surface that Patriarchy is a problem. You are not really helping your case here if you want to appear as a progressist.
Patriarchy is a documented social system that still exist. Weither you like it or not. For more about that > Leftist library
I bet that if I search very well, I will prove you that in reality, the system is not at all fighting to protect LGBTQI+ people in the US or in France or in Germany especially when said system is allowing the far right to strive.
No you don't. I think they should have this right.
You are literally speaking here with some people who are going against sociology and human sciences and are climatosceptics and antivaccine and/or complotist.
And if I want to be malicious I would bet that if I asked, a good part of people of this forum would say that they believe in the energetic power of stones or in naturopathy
Again, that's a characterization of rightist. They believe that the system is fairly ok and therefore do not understand why leftist actually are angry against said or said oppression.
I'm not blaming you of anything. You don't have to understand if you don't want to understand.
You are not a far rightist so I won't attack you the same way I attack Ravager or Nameless.
This is literally what it is.
That's precisely what I'm doing.
Trust me, I know for a fact what having social interactions and not having social interactions means.
How could I ? Did you ever read my bio ?
I suggest you take a look at it.
No. What I'm saying is that confusing the saying "you are participating in society" with the fact of being a productive member of society, is a capitalist thing to do. It reduces social interaction to their production value.
What I am doing here is simply interacting socially with you. But this interaction, however small it is, has an impact however small it can be. This make this interaction a "participation in society". In this case, the fanbase of One Piece in worstgen.
Its a very small impact, but it is still an impact.
Read my bio. You will understand.
Yes with social services.
You should check, its a leftist thing.
It almost did a few weeks ago. And the situation is not fixed. So... yeah..
No I don't care. Its your problem, not mine. I just don't want to receive moral lesson about inequalities from you. That's all.
The saying "we can't do anything, so lets not do anything"
Sorry.. not my motto
I'm always quoting what is necessary. You can always use the context of your sentences as an excuse to say dumb things mate.
Yup I would love to
What you don't understand is that the structure in itself IS the thing creating exploitation. Its not something done because people want to exploit others. Its created because of the structuration of the system.
And right now, unless you tell me that there exist a country where workers owns their means of production, business owners are exploiting people.
Its very, very simple. If you profit from the value and production created by other, you are exploiting them. And yes, this is my communist side kicking in.
I'm not. For now, i'm not a communist, I only support some of their idea. I'm not advocating for a system where there is only one party.
Once again, i'm not that radical, I'm a reformist.
Yeah
Well, this specific job might actually be one of the reasons why I'm in this situation right now. I felt the weight of exploitation during a few month on power x1000. And you know what traumatized me ?
I was ok with it.
One of the thing you are missing about me.
He did not "encapsulate" me. It liberated me.
Well.. I like drama
If you want, I can explain to you in detail how I can arrive to this conclusions.
Yes, democrats are progressive right wingers.
This is not news.
Don't underestimate me
A mate of taste
Amazing stuff. I don't think I will retain most of it, but very interesting.
Are you an historian on Nazi germany ?
This part made me shiver
I'm usually not against letting report go away.
Unless its fascistic rethoric, which is the case here (me being partly communist). So I will report that until the day I leave the forum if I have to.
This is a question of principle.
Again. Transphobia is the act of discrimination against trans people. Weither by word or by actions.
You can think you don't like trans people, but saying it or saying for example "trans women are not women", is simply transphobic. It perpetuates discriminations and makes you complicit in them.
This is not a debate.
Yes you do.
OR
You don't talk about them or to any person about them and in that case, there is indeed no problem.
Yes it does.
I do not believe, but I have no right to negate the right of other to believe or even say that others should not be able to believe.
We are talking about discrimination here. Meaning not accepting people for who they are.
There is no debate to have. If you depict such behavior against trans people, you are transphobic.
Period.
No. It does the opposite. Its targets specifically the discrimination in order to fight it more effectively.
Again, I never said that you were transphobic mate.
You arrived at this conclusion yourself.
I said that you shared transphobic rethoric. Which is not exactly the same thing in the specific context that we were in.
Xione, on the other hand, was transphobic.
Liberals.. being liberals..
Not at all. Democrats are as leftist as I am queen Elisabeth.
Do you want an explanation ?
"being c*cked" is a slang term meaning "being cheated".
You are not cheated on when there is consent and trust mate, that's not how relationships work.
You are not understanding. I'm not poly, i'm simply not against experimenting things and if my partner want to do the same and we are BOTH okay (and only on that condition, which will probably won't happen because I don't really like the idea) this will be a simple experiment and nothing more.
You don't know yourself and don't seem at all confident with your sexuality mate (since you are using the most incel term there is to describe simple caudaulism), so don't try to lecture me on mine
Deal ?
Because I'm concentrated on your injonction to work. I don't need more. What you said didn't negate this injonction.
Yup. Trust me that I won't have someone like that in my relationships. I only keep people who have empathy and don't push their meritocratic belief system on others.
Have fun then
You want me to get radical and close to the far left ? I can do it, but that will look a lot different mate, I can assure you.
Mate, it was not an invitation for you to write about all the subject. I know that you agree with the majority. What i'm talking about is the valorasation and the amelioration of ALL those subjects.
For example going from 35 to 30 to 25 working hours, Better lay off condition for worker (in order not to be fired on a whim for example), more financial raises and better minimum wages etc.
Yeah, which was a logical think to think about, there is no reason for people to be paid billions
You don't need 3 million to live. But what you don't understand is that its a socialist reform, not a communist one. Leftism is so inexistent in your political environment that you think that a simple social reform like this one is communist.. your political compass is broken mate.
That's where I know that you are not well informed.
Those type of reforms are adaptative. Meaning that they adapt to the ressources of people. Someone with a annual revenue of 400000€ will not be taxed the same way as someone with 1 000 000 € or someone with 50 000 €
Aside from far rightist who I think are despicable people. I do not "accuse" people of being rightist or liberals. I counter them and call out their ignorance most of the time but I don't think they are bad people because of that.
I only label mate. You are missinformed.
"I don't care"
Your words, not mine.
Macron has always been a rightist/liberal. But nowaday he has become even more conservative and closer to the far right. Which is very concerning.
Hmm... I'm sceptical.
Its seems to be more of a liberal alliance rather than a leftist one. For example, if asked you if this government would be ready to increase the minimal wage drastically or tax high fortune to a very high %, would they agree ?
And the reason for the rise of the far right mmust be the same as in our country : media and liberal debating with them.
When you invite the far right to a debate, you are legitimizing it. So its not illogical to see it grow.
Why would they ?
Do you not understand that you are far more likely to be influence by your boss if they are directly paying you than if its simply an official direction ?
Trust me, its the BEST way to have freedom of expression. But for that, the state has to play the game and name someone at the head who wants to be correct and not push or repress ideologies.
With Billionnaire in control you will only have two forms of ideologies: Either far rightist, either liberal. And BOTH pro capitalist and pro meritocratic.
If the state media are left wing, its a good thing. It means that the counter power is working. Simple because leftist =/= liberals.
If you start to see some rightist in public media during a liberal gov. Its time to be REALLY SCARED.
No. I actually took the time to verify all your answer. There could have been a surprise. You are really underestimate my capacity for selfquestionning mate.
I'm capable of switching my vision of a person with a single message bra, so if you want me to start seeing you as something else than a rightist, then change your opinions.
Meritocracy IS rightism mate. Its the reason why you won't fight capitalism and therefore the reason why you are not on my side of the political spectrum.
Being rightist is not something awfull, it simply means that you believe in things that are opposed to what leftists believe in.
Simple as that.
Not my former boss, high fortunes. But for that you would need to be aware and understand REAL lefltist politics and propositions.
"I don't really care"
Again, your words, not mine.
The question was simple. "Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested? " It meant : Do you agree that Israel is committing appartheid and genocide and do you think that Netanyahou is a war criminal.
Your answer was : "I don't know, I don't really care".
Ergo : You don't really care about OBVIOUS oppressions. (or at least this one, but I can name you a few if you want)
This confirms what I say
No. Western countries doesn't "have it good with capitalism". Poverty is off the charts.
Wrong. Communism was not "proven" to be a failed ideology. It was proven to be simply volatile and very encline to let opportunist and oppressive leader take its lead.
Communism in the sence where it should have been created, was never created. What we saw are oppressive current of communism, just like there is an oppressive current of liberalism (libertarianism)
And that's what you don't understand at all. Between you and me, I'm the one with the knowledge, the history and science on my side.
You only have a belief system and your belief in your rationnalism.
You fell victim of the sophism known as "the middle ground solution". but there is no middle ground. There are only two side:
- The side that understand the danger of capitalism and try to fight or delete it
- The side that don't understand the danger of capitalism and try to strenghten or leave it as it is.
That's not true. Most leftists actually know MORE than me on leftism and politics...
But there are very few of those leftists in this thread.
No, simply not informed enough on what leftism is.
And its okay. I will not attack you for not knowing.... unless you start to prove me wrong and in this case you will not be ready for what will happen.
Science (sociology) negates the concept of meritocracy mate.
All Sciences are meant to give as objective results and reasonning as possible.
Structures of dominations and social structure or interactions are not "subjective topics" mate. They can be methodologically analysed, understood, deciphered, extrapolated and deconstructed.
Social behaviors is a real scientific subject.
This doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a problem. I can participate in society and still criticize it.
Systemic Racism is one of the 6 major problems of this social world. I do not need to be a victim of it to empathize with those who are, and therefore fight with them.
No really no. Educate yourself please.
Another reason why I can definitely say that you are a rightist. What concerns me is that usually, even progressist liberals are awayre at least on the surface that Patriarchy is a problem. You are not really helping your case here if you want to appear as a progressist.
Patriarchy is a documented social system that still exist. Weither you like it or not. For more about that > Leftist library
I bet that if I search very well, I will prove you that in reality, the system is not at all fighting to protect LGBTQI+ people in the US or in France or in Germany especially when said system is allowing the far right to strive.
No you don't. I think they should have this right.
You are literally speaking here with some people who are going against sociology and human sciences and are climatosceptics and antivaccine and/or complotist.
And if I want to be malicious I would bet that if I asked, a good part of people of this forum would say that they believe in the energetic power of stones or in naturopathy
Again, that's a characterization of rightist. They believe that the system is fairly ok and therefore do not understand why leftist actually are angry against said or said oppression.
I'm not blaming you of anything. You don't have to understand if you don't want to understand.
You are not a far rightist so I won't attack you the same way I attack Ravager or Nameless.
This is literally what it is.
That's precisely what I'm doing.
Trust me, I know for a fact what having social interactions and not having social interactions means.
How could I ? Did you ever read my bio ?
I suggest you take a look at it.
No. What I'm saying is that confusing the saying "you are participating in society" with the fact of being a productive member of society, is a capitalist thing to do. It reduces social interaction to their production value.
What I am doing here is simply interacting socially with you. But this interaction, however small it is, has an impact however small it can be. This make this interaction a "participation in society". In this case, the fanbase of One Piece in worstgen.
Its a very small impact, but it is still an impact.
Read my bio. You will understand.
Yes with social services.
You should check, its a leftist thing.
It almost did a few weeks ago. And the situation is not fixed. So... yeah..
No I don't care. Its your problem, not mine. I just don't want to receive moral lesson about inequalities from you. That's all.
The saying "we can't do anything, so lets not do anything"
Sorry.. not my motto
I'm always quoting what is necessary. You can always use the context of your sentences as an excuse to say dumb things mate.
Yup I would love to
What you don't understand is that the structure in itself IS the thing creating exploitation. Its not something done because people want to exploit others. Its created because of the structuration of the system.
And right now, unless you tell me that there exist a country where workers owns their means of production, business owners are exploiting people.
Its very, very simple. If you profit from the value and production created by other, you are exploiting them. And yes, this is my communist side kicking in.
I'm not. For now, i'm not a communist, I only support some of their idea. I'm not advocating for a system where there is only one party.
Once again, i'm not that radical, I'm a reformist.
Yeah
Well, this specific job might actually be one of the reasons why I'm in this situation right now. I felt the weight of exploitation during a few month on power x1000. And you know what traumatized me ?
I was ok with it.
One of the thing you are missing about me.
He did not "encapsulate" me. It liberated me.
Well.. I like drama
If you want, I can explain to you in detail how I can arrive to this conclusions.
Yes, democrats are progressive right wingers.
This is not news.
Don't underestimate me
A mate of taste
Amazing stuff. I don't think I will retain most of it, but very interesting.
Are you an historian on Nazi germany ?
This part made me shiver
I'm usually not against letting report go away.
Unless its fascistic rethoric, which is the case here (me being partly communist). So I will report that until the day I leave the forum if I have to.
This is a question of principle.
Again. Transphobia is the act of discrimination against trans people. Weither by word or by actions.
You can think you don't like trans people, but saying it or saying for example "trans women are not women", is simply transphobic. It perpetuates discriminations and makes you complicit in them.
This is not a debate.
Yes you do.
OR
You don't talk about them or to any person about them and in that case, there is indeed no problem.
Yes it does.
I do not believe, but I have no right to negate the right of other to believe or even say that others should not be able to believe.
We are talking about discrimination here. Meaning not accepting people for who they are.
There is no debate to have. If you depict such behavior against trans people, you are transphobic.
Period.
No. It does the opposite. Its targets specifically the discrimination in order to fight it more effectively.
Again, I never said that you were transphobic mate.
You arrived at this conclusion yourself.
I said that you shared transphobic rethoric. Which is not exactly the same thing in the specific context that we were in.
Xione, on the other hand, was transphobic.
Liberals.. being liberals..
Do you want an explanation ?
"being c*cked" is a slang term meaning "being cheated".
You are not cheated on when there is consent and trust mate, that's not how relationships work.
You are not understanding. I'm not poly, i'm simply not against experimenting things and if my partner want to do the same and we are BOTH okay (and only on that condition, which will probably won't happen because I don't really like the idea) this will be a simple experiment and nothing more.
You don't know yourself and don't seem at all confident with your sexuality mate (since you are using the most incel term there is to describe simple caudaulism), so don't try to lecture me on mine
Deal ?
Because I'm concentrated on your injonction to work. I don't need more. What you said didn't negate this injonction.
Yup. Trust me that I won't have someone like that in my relationships. I only keep people who have empathy and don't push their meritocratic belief system on others.
Have fun then
You want me to get radical and close to the far left ? I can do it, but that will look a lot different mate, I can assure you.
Mate, it was not an invitation for you to write about all the subject. I know that you agree with the majority. What i'm talking about is the valorasation and the amelioration of ALL those subjects.
For example going from 35 to 30 to 25 working hours, Better lay off condition for worker (in order not to be fired on a whim for example), more financial raises and better minimum wages etc.
Yeah, which was a logical think to think about, there is no reason for people to be paid billions
You don't need 3 million to live. But what you don't understand is that its a socialist reform, not a communist one. Leftism is so inexistent in your political environment that you think that a simple social reform like this one is communist.. your political compass is broken mate.
That's where I know that you are not well informed.
Those type of reforms are adaptative. Meaning that they adapt to the ressources of people. Someone with a annual revenue of 400000€ will not be taxed the same way as someone with 1 000 000 € or someone with 50 000 €
Aside from far rightist who I think are despicable people. I do not "accuse" people of being rightist or liberals. I counter them and call out their ignorance most of the time but I don't think they are bad people because of that.
I only label mate. You are missinformed.
"I don't care"
Your words, not mine.
Macron has always been a rightist/liberal. But nowaday he has become even more conservative and closer to the far right. Which is very concerning.
Hmm... I'm sceptical.
Its seems to be more of a liberal alliance rather than a leftist one. For example, if asked you if this government would be ready to increase the minimal wage drastically or tax high fortune to a very high %, would they agree ?
And the reason for the rise of the far right mmust be the same as in our country : media and liberal debating with them.
When you invite the far right to a debate, you are legitimizing it. So its not illogical to see it grow.
Why would they ?
Do you not understand that you are far more likely to be influence by your boss if they are directly paying you than if its simply an official direction ?
Trust me, its the BEST way to have freedom of expression. But for that, the state has to play the game and name someone at the head who wants to be correct and not push or repress ideologies.
With Billionnaire in control you will only have two forms of ideologies: Either far rightist, either liberal. And BOTH pro capitalist and pro meritocratic.
If the state media are left wing, its a good thing. It means that the counter power is working. Simple because leftist =/= liberals.
If you start to see some rightist in public media during a liberal gov. Its time to be REALLY SCARED.
No. I actually took the time to verify all your answer. There could have been a surprise. You are really underestimate my capacity for selfquestionning mate.
I'm capable of switching my vision of a person with a single message bra, so if you want me to start seeing you as something else than a rightist, then change your opinions.
Meritocracy IS rightism mate. Its the reason why you won't fight capitalism and therefore the reason why you are not on my side of the political spectrum.
Being rightist is not something awfull, it simply means that you believe in things that are opposed to what leftists believe in.
Simple as that.
Not my former boss, high fortunes. But for that you would need to be aware and understand REAL lefltist politics and propositions.
"I don't really care"
Again, your words, not mine.
The question was simple. "Do you think that Israel is an apartheid state and that Netanyahou should be arrested? " It meant : Do you agree that Israel is committing appartheid and genocide and do you think that Netanyahou is a war criminal.
Your answer was : "I don't know, I don't really care".
Ergo : You don't really care about OBVIOUS oppressions. (or at least this one, but I can name you a few if you want)
This confirms what I say
No. Western countries doesn't "have it good with capitalism". Poverty is off the charts.
Wrong. Communism was not "proven" to be a failed ideology. It was proven to be simply volatile and very encline to let opportunist and oppressive leader take its lead.
Communism in the sence where it should have been created, was never created. What we saw are oppressive current of communism, just like there is an oppressive current of liberalism (libertarianism)
And that's what you don't understand at all. Between you and me, I'm the one with the knowledge, the history and science on my side.
You only have a belief system and your belief in your rationnalism.
You fell victim of the sophism known as "the middle ground solution". but there is no middle ground. There are only two side:
- The side that understand the danger of capitalism and try to fight or delete it
- The side that don't understand the danger of capitalism and try to strenghten or leave it as it is.
That's not true. Most leftists actually know MORE than me on leftism and politics...
But there are very few of those leftists in this thread.
No, simply not informed enough on what leftism is.
And its okay. I will not attack you for not knowing.... unless you start to prove me wrong and in this case you will not be ready for what will happen.
Science (sociology) negates the concept of meritocracy mate.
All Sciences are meant to give as objective results and reasonning as possible.
Structures of dominations and social structure or interactions are not "subjective topics" mate. They can be methodologically analysed, understood, deciphered, extrapolated and deconstructed.
Social behaviors is a real scientific subject.
This doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a problem. I can participate in society and still criticize it.
Systemic Racism is one of the 6 major problems of this social world. I do not need to be a victim of it to empathize with those who are, and therefore fight with them.
No really no. Educate yourself please.
Another reason why I can definitely say that you are a rightist. What concerns me is that usually, even progressist liberals are awayre at least on the surface that Patriarchy is a problem. You are not really helping your case here if you want to appear as a progressist.
Patriarchy is a documented social system that still exist. Weither you like it or not. For more about that > Leftist library
I bet that if I search very well, I will prove you that in reality, the system is not at all fighting to protect LGBTQI+ people in the US or in France or in Germany especially when said system is allowing the far right to strive.
No you don't. I think they should have this right.
You are literally speaking here with some people who are going against sociology and human sciences and are climatosceptics and antivaccine and/or complotist.
And if I want to be malicious I would bet that if I asked, a good part of people of this forum would say that they believe in the energetic power of stones or in naturopathy
Again, that's a characterization of rightist. They believe that the system is fairly ok and therefore do not understand why leftist actually are angry against said or said oppression.
I'm not blaming you of anything. You don't have to understand if you don't want to understand.
You are not a far rightist so I won't attack you the same way I attack Ravager or Nameless.
This is literally what it is.
That's precisely what I'm doing.
Trust me, I know for a fact what having social interactions and not having social interactions means.
How could I ? Did you ever read my bio ?
I suggest you take a look at it.
No. What I'm saying is that confusing the saying "you are participating in society" with the fact of being a productive member of society, is a capitalist thing to do. It reduces social interaction to their production value.
What I am doing here is simply interacting socially with you. But this interaction, however small it is, has an impact however small it can be. This make this interaction a "participation in society". In this case, the fanbase of One Piece in worstgen.
Its a very small impact, but it is still an impact.
Read my bio. You will understand.
Yes with social services.
You should check, its a leftist thing.
It almost did a few weeks ago. And the situation is not fixed. So... yeah..
No I don't care. Its your problem, not mine. I just don't want to receive moral lesson about inequalities from you. That's all.
The saying "we can't do anything, so lets not do anything"
Sorry.. not my motto
I'm always quoting what is necessary. You can always use the context of your sentences as an excuse to say dumb things mate.
Yup I would love to
What you don't understand is that the structure in itself IS the thing creating exploitation. Its not something done because people want to exploit others. Its created because of the structuration of the system.
And right now, unless you tell me that there exist a country where workers owns their means of production, business owners are exploiting people.
Its very, very simple. If you profit from the value and production created by other, you are exploiting them. And yes, this is my communist side kicking in.
I'm not. For now, i'm not a communist, I only support some of their idea. I'm not advocating for a system where there is only one party.
Once again, i'm not that radical, I'm a reformist.
Yeah
Well, this specific job might actually be one of the reasons why I'm in this situation right now. I felt the weight of exploitation during a few month on power x1000. And you know what traumatized me ?
I was ok with it.
One of the thing you are missing about me.
He did not "encapsulate" me. It liberated me.
Well.. I like drama
If you want, I can explain to you in detail how I can arrive to this conclusions.
Yes, democrats are progressive right wingers.
This is not news.
Don't underestimate me
A mate of taste
Amazing stuff. I don't think I will retain most of it, but very interesting.
Are you an historian on Nazi germany ?
This part made me shiver
I'm usually not against letting report go away.
Unless its fascistic rethoric, which is the case here (me being partly communist). So I will report that until the day I leave the forum if I have to.
This is a question of principle.
Again. Transphobia is the act of discrimination against trans people. Weither by word or by actions.
You can think you don't like trans people, but saying it or saying for example "trans women are not women", is simply transphobic. It perpetuates discriminations and makes you complicit in them.
This is not a debate.
Yes you do.
OR
You don't talk about them or to any person about them and in that case, there is indeed no problem.
Yes it does.
I do not believe, but I have no right to negate the right of other to believe or even say that others should not be able to believe.
We are talking about discrimination here. Meaning not accepting people for who they are.
There is no debate to have. If you depict such behavior against trans people, you are transphobic.
Period.
No. It does the opposite. Its targets specifically the discrimination in order to fight it more effectively.
Again, I never said that you were transphobic mate.
You arrived at this conclusion yourself.
I said that you shared transphobic rethoric. Which is not exactly the same thing in the specific context that we were in.
Xione, on the other hand, was transphobic.
Liberals.. being liberals..
Why do you even type this much?
Anyway
It matters cause they have a procedure for selecting a nominee, you don't become a de facto nominee by being someone's VP. They vote individuals in the primaries, not the ticket. The Biden panic and not being prepared for a new candidate made them skip electing one.
It is the first time this happened
It is the first time this happened
It matters cause they have a procedure for selecting a nominee, you don't become a de facto nominee by being someone's VP. They vote individuals in the primaries, not the ticket. The Biden panic and not being prepared for a new candidate made them skip electing one.
It is the first time this happened
It is the first time this happened
Like, they are package deal lmao
If he nominated Pete or someone else then it would be a problem, but Kamala really isn't IMO. If Trump was to step down now and nominate his VP I don't think there would be a lot of backlash going on.
VP's are just logical choice after president steps down
where is the actual rule for an unchallenged incumbent dropping out for there to be a new election to select a new candidate.
you say its panic it has to be ,
you cant have a primary for a general election in 3 months . this so called process of selecting a new nominee in these unique circumstances is bullshit people are pulling out of their ass. There isnt a process for it.
no step was skipped
again there isnt a process. proposing that should be the process is one thing, arguing like that is the process is a flat out lie.
you say its panic it has to be ,
you cant have a primary for a general election in 3 months . this so called process of selecting a new nominee in these unique circumstances is bullshit people are pulling out of their ass. There isnt a process for it.
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Yeah, exactly. Ergo them skipping steps cause they were out of time 
again there isnt a process. proposing that should be the process is one thing, arguing like that is the process is a flat out lie.
Eh i doubt they would run someone else.
As much as i think Pete would be great president he needs a VP position first. And if Pete needs that then no other Democrat can have a real shot at presidency.
Kamala has most "experience" out of them all and she is defacto tied to Biden and his ballot.
I do think Pete or Kelly should be her VP
As much as i think Pete would be great president he needs a VP position first. And if Pete needs that then no other Democrat can have a real shot at presidency.
Kamala has most "experience" out of them all and she is defacto tied to Biden and his ballot.
I do think Pete or Kelly should be her VP
There is literally no rule that would give the VEEP an upper hand at an open convention. They have to win the majority of delegates, just like any other candidate.
What are unique circumstances Lanji, Biden could have quit a long time ago
What are unique circumstances Lanji, Biden could have quit a long time ago
The unique circumstances are biden didnt quit a long time ago
he quit after he was the chosen candidate with 3 months to the general election.
am not sure what people are so worried about
if she isnt a viable candidate
people wouldnt turn up for her on election day.