Powers & Abilities It is over for the Devil Fruit users.

[Garps tekkai]

Defending yourself?
Is causing a Df technique to completely lose its ability to perform its function to protect itself?

Because that's what Kaidou did, stood still while DF techniques couldn't perform their function due to the monstrous Haki being too much.

Puuuhh passively yes, your haki is obviously defending yourself against that ability. Law does not even have CoC, same ability with which Joyboy and Shanks are doing it. Should tell us everything we need to know.

Imma give you examples:
It's like BM would have casted K-ROOM off of Law's sword or Kaido making Luffy quit Boundman or making Kid lose Punk rotten at will with the fitting visuals of course.
Did any of that happen? No. not at all.
Their haki was just protecting them against an ability.
If at all you are making a point for a potential counter to that CoC- DF deactivating tech.

 

[The DevilMaster]

Puuuhh passively yes, your haki is obviously defending yourself against that ability. Law does not even have CoC, same ability with which Joyboy and Shanks are doing it. Should tell us everything we need to know.

Imma give you examples:
It's like BM would have casted K-ROOM off of Law's sword or Kaido making Luffy quit Boundman or making Kid lose Punk rotten at will with the fitting visuals of course.
Did any of that happen? No. not at all.
Their haki was just protecting them against an ability.
If at all you are making a point for a counter to that CoC- DF deactivating tech.

Leave Joyboy aside, let's be more specific, if a DF fruit has powers that grant the user the ability to transform others into a woman, and a Haki user when transformed into a woman can reverse/undo the transformation, it means that the Haki nullified the effect of that ability.

Now if I have an ability and one of its characteristics is being able to move people freely, but when I try to move a specific character I can't because his Haki is very strong, the Haki here is acting as a direct counter attack and making my specific technique TOTALLY loses its purpose.

And when it loses its purpose of carrying out its function, what is that? Kaidou's haki prevented Law's technique from carrying out its purpose, deactivating or rather rendering the technique useless.


And this fits very well into the category of nullifying DF power, after all, even if I can execute my technique using my DF, the technique cannot perform its function and this makes it lose the purpose of being executed. In short, Haki completely nullified one of the characteristics of my DF, which is moving people.

 

[Psychiatrist]

First decide whose haki is stronger and will reign supreme over other.
1. We know Luffy has more haki upgrades than zoro.
2. We know Luffy is more of CoC specialist than zoro.
3. We have seen a glimpse of what level of Coc is Godfy having at near EOS.

Plus:
1. Zoro KOH haki couldnt even revert kings zoan to his basic form.

Finally:
Dont leech of great Joyboy's humongous haki feat to just anybody. Be capable of yourself.

 

[a_fan]

First decide whose haki is stronger and will reign supreme over other.
1. We know Luffy has more haki upgrades than zoro.
2. We know Luffy is more of CoC specialist than zoro.
3. We have seen a glimpse of what level of Coc is Godfy having at near EOS.

Plus:
1. Zoro KOH haki couldnt even revert kings zoan to his basic form.

Finally:
Dont leech of great Joyboy's humongous haki feat to just anybody. Be capable of yourself.

Ryuma was most likely stronger than Joyboy as his epithet was Sword God and is the reason why WG couldn’t touch Wano. Whereas, Joyboy lost to Imu/other foe.

Also, Luffy’s biggest weakness is slashes so facing someone who has a Black Blade and AdCoC would be the worst matchup. We know Zoro will eventually get them so…

 

[Psychiatrist]

Ryuma was most likely stronger than Joyboy.

Also, Luffy’s biggest weakness is slashes so facing someone with a Black Blade and AdCoC would be a worst matchup. We know Zoro will eventually get them so…

Garp has equalled swordsman before
Luffy has defeated swordsman by through his abdomen elasticity
We have seen what peak CoC is through Joyboy. We know Luffy will eventually get them too.

 

[nik87]

A lot was already said, but who's to say that a DF neutralizing ability won't be a "main character of each gen"- exclusive, who likely all have/had a CoC specialization?
Very convenient to neglect even the possibility of a hakiman-concept being a thing for years, cause of agenda, and now trying to extend those hakiman feats onto others for that same agenda.

Luffy and Kaido already had a world class battle and BM, as a fellow yonk, went already at it aswell. Not once was any DF ability deactivated tho.
I doubt it's a) going to be an be all-end all kinda ability, even though I've been saying for years we need a counter for environmental manipulation techs, and b) that everyone is just going to be able to use it.
For now I'd only give Shanks and Roger the benefit of the doubt, thanks to obvious reasons.

You have a point, Oda will not abuse this ability as it would turn fights into lol diff.
You can give it by default to those with stronger haki than Shanks - Mihawk and Zoro.
Whoever is capable of this will unlikely use it more than once in battle, which also will happen in the final attack most likely.

However, in battledome, without Oda's input, it is truly over for DF merchants against those who are capable of this.

First decide whose haki is stronger and will reign supreme over other.
1. We know Luffy has more haki upgrades than zoro.
2. We know Luffy is more of CoC specialist than zoro.
3. We have seen a glimpse of what level of Coc is Godfy having at near EOS.

Plus:
1. Zoro KOH haki couldnt even revert kings zoan to his basic form.

Finally:
Dont leech of great Joyboy's humongous haki feat to just anybody. Be capable of yourself.

Those who forge strongest weapons in the world with their haki - not Luffy, not Joyboy, not Shanks either. You know who, Psych-chin. Those who represent Power as ultimate hakimen.

 

[Psychiatrist]

Those who forge strongest weapons in the world with their haki - not Luffy, not Joyboy, not Shanks either. You know who, Psych-chin. Those who represent Power as ultimate hakimen.

You still dont get Luffy is not a weapon user. If you want him to forge his sandal to black, than he will do it.
ODA himself has said that Luffy is CoC specialist and zoro is CoA specialist. We cant refute it.
As for the peak COC feat that is shown by JB. and we know Luffy will go even beyond that.

 

[Garps tekkai]

You have a point, Oda will not abuse this ability as it would turn fights into lol diff.
You can give it by default to those with stronger haki than Shanks - Mihawk and Zoro.
Whoever is capable of this will unlikely use it more than once in battle, which also will happen in the final attack most likely.

However, in battledome, without Oda's input, it is truly over for DF merchants against those who are capable of this.

It ultimately had to happen, not even talking about deactivating forms, but rather DF abilities in general. Oda cannot have Roger and Primebeard getting clowned by Doffy's ever white or his parasite or Katakuri's flowing mochi movement restriction.

I personally still don't buy into that "Gura no mi neutralizing"- aspect though. If DF abilties are infused with strong haki, they should be safe I think. Will see

lmao @bold. You never disappoint

 

[trav]

How can you unironically make a thread like this when the savior of the world, the chosen one is literally stored in a fruit.

Haki transcends all...
Well, until you get Nika-jumproped and Nika-pancaked.

 

[Psychiatrist]

How can you unironically make a thread like this when the savior of the world, the chosen one is literally stored in a fruit.

Haki transcends all...
Well, until you get Nika-jumproped and Nika-pancaked.

True shit...

 

[comrade]

How can you unironically make a thread like this when the savior of the world, the chosen one is literally stored in a fruit.

Haki transcends all...
Well, until you get Nika-jumproped and Nika-pancaked.

Because Nika's power is the power of liberation. The ability to make those around yourself into your allies. Luffy's Bajrang Gun is still pumpen full of Haki.

 

[nik87]

You still dont get Luffy is not a weapon user. If you want him to forge his sandal to black, than he will do it.
ODA himself has said that Luffy is CoC specialist and zoro is CoA specialist. We cant refute it.
As for the peak COC feat that is shown by JB. and we know Luffy will go even beyond that.

So your cope is he can do it, he just doesn't wanna, just like all others cope about it?
The specialist just like Lucci is a prodigy who got schooled by Kaku? Just like Zoro went to aCoC directly at same time as specialist? lol
Chill, Psych-chin, peak CoC feat shown by Joyboy is just Shanks level feat who is factually weaker than Zoro's target.
Luffy will never be stronger than Shanks, forgot Mihawk. And Zoro.

It ultimately had to happen, not even talking about deactivating forms, but rather DF abilities in general. Oda cannot have Roger and Primebeard getting clowned by Doffy's ever white or his parasite or Katakuri's flowing mochi movement restriction.

I personally still don't buy into that "Gura no mi neutralizing"- aspect though. If DF abilties are infused with strong haki, they should be safe I think. Will see

lmao @bold. You never disappoint

Well, Elders are top tiers with some of the most impressive haki in the world.
Their abilities were instantly canceled. Aramaki is a top tier too, same thing.
We cannot brush this off as "they are too weak, mere commanders"...

Roger has nothing to face Gura other than his haki and as we saw in their clash, there was no Gura.
Now it makes sense why it was missing, because it cannot manifest.
Regarding bold part, it is inevitable considering aCoC and KOH are mere stepping stones towards Black Blades...

How can you unironically make a thread like this when the savior of the world, the chosen one is literally stored in a fruit.

Haki transcends all...
Well, until you get Nika-jumproped and Nika-pancaked.

Nika doesn't exist in the presence of strong haki.
It is just that he will never get humiliated like that, just like he never has to fight a top tier swordsman.
Oda protects his guy, to some degree and this would be too much of a humiliation so he will never face a proper hakiman.
Blackbeard, Imu, Akainu... All DF merchants not capable of canceling DF abilities. The chosen one is safe.

 

[comrade]

@nik87 it reminds me of an old thread of mine. People didn't want to accept it. Glad you changed from your initial response Nik-chin.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...aster-devil-fruits-are-useless-garbage.13486/

 

[Ven437]

Ten pages of yapping and a DF merchant is still renowned as the WSM in his + future generations

 

[Psychiatrist]

like all others cope about it?
The specialist just like Lucci is a prodigy who got schooled by Kaku? Just like Zoro went to aCoC directly at same time as specialist? lol
Chill, Psych-chin, peak CoC feat shown by Joyboy is just Shanks level feat who is factually weaker than Zoro's target.
Luffy will never be stronger than Shanks, forgot Mihawk. And Zoro.

Reminder: DO NOT leech of someones CoC haki feat.

Peak Coc is something that sky splitted by himself alone and immediately negated 5 top tiers including one with supreme grade swordsman that too with 800 years old haki. You have seen its divinity but unable to aknowledge it since Godfy will be getting this god tier CoC, As Oda himself have stated that CoC is luffys specialty.
Now if you dont wanna even acknowledge what the author says, then i have nothing to say.

 

[D. Plant]

Strong haki > majority of devil fruits
but I think some devil fruits are busted

Can haki negates Boa Hancock's petrification?
Assuming Blackbeard doesn't have strong Coc to negates it, then....
How did Blackbeard scarred Shanks?

 

[Ven437]

Strong haki > majority of devil fruits
but I think some devil fruits are busted

Can haki negates Boa Hancock's petrification?
Assuming Blackbeard doesn't have strong Coc to negates it, then....
How did Blackbeard scarred Shanks?

Yonko-tier Haki couldn’t even block KROOM when it was barely Awakened

Certain DF abilities are simply busted regardless of haki capabilities

Joyboy had a god-tier fruit, WSM had a world-destroying Paramecia, WSC had a legendary Zoan

When it comes to portrayal of absolute strength. A DF is always there to back up or supplement that strength

 

[D. Plant]

Yonko-tier Haki couldn’t even block KROOM when it was barely Awakened

Certain DF abilities are simply busted regardless of haki capabilities

Joyboy had a god-tier fruit, WSM had a world-destroying Paramecia, WSC had a legendary Zoan

When it comes to portrayal of absolute strength. A DF is always there to back up or supplement that strength

I wouldn't take the Big Mom vs Law and Kid fight seriously or even reference it.

Yeah busted haki and busted devil fruits are the way to make one the strongest.

 

[Albino 👑]

Joyboy had a devil fruit

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

I don't get this obsession df merchants when nearly every single top tier character bar shanks and mihawk (who have magic swords) use devil fruits

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One piece fans seem to forget that the Gorosei wanted Luffy dead because of his df awakening and not his conquers haki coating that he had just unlocked