Controversial MODERATION : Why refusing to name, call or label troubles is problematic

Rej

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#41
I mean. I don't really understand the fear of spoilers. Just don't go in the wrong thread.
A few weeks before that happened people were spoiling on profile posts. And on another day TAC made a chapter thread with ghetto scans that had puzzled qualities and were out of order.
Lol. So I was a bit in a triggered state. But yeah usually I successfully avoid spoilers unless special people think they have to act special that week.
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#43
Some users reacted too sensitive about it.
That same user then even tagged me in a spoiler and tried to provoke it. Idk why they weren't banned lol.

4 weeks ban were too harsh for that, for a literal og of the forum. Without any warning or a mod reaching out to me lol.

I saw people got 3 days bans for sharing hentai.

Lmao, ban was alright, I expected to take a break of a week or so by that time anyway. Then 4 weeks of straight ban, yo.
3 days ban for it? Nah, no way. I once posted Perona's asshole (twas an exquisite asshole may I inform you) almost two years ago and TAC banned me for a week
And I had no prior infractions to that
Mods are on something
 
#51
@Logiko some people are just racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. They know it and don’t care if you call them out on it. People aren’t going to change because you passionately post about these issues. Change has to come from within. A person needs to examine their conscience and say I need to do better.

It’s good that you want people to be aware of the toxicity on worstgen, but you over do it. Since you over do it, people are pushing back and refusing to listen.
 
#52
@Logiko some people are just racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. They know it and don’t care if you call them out on it. People aren’t going to change because you passionately post about these issues. Change has to come from within. A person needs to examine their conscience and say I need to do better.

It’s good that you want people to be aware of the toxicity on worstgen, but you over do it. Since you over do it, people are pushing back and refusing to listen.
Logiko has good intentions but he just shouldn't be on this forum
It clearly does something bad to him mentally
 
#54
Change has to come from within
Nop. That's a big missconception about change.


Now, this will be interesting for you guys @AL sama @TheAncientCenturion @Uncle Van and the rest.. as HERE, you will really understand what i'm trying to do in the first place and why I'm doing it. (I'll send this with the message I'm currently preparing as a following to the previous one about restructuration, so you can wait fo it in DM if you want)

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Change usually comes from the outside.

It's because the environment's evolution that we start to change, not because of something inside of us.

Let's take an example to understand why:

Take 100 persons and put them on a field in a stadium for 1 complete day. You will give 4 people an earpiece and you will place a big speaker in the middle.

Now.. Before going further, I need to explain to you a few things about crowd and group psychology:


There are, in group behavior like in epidemiology, two types of contagion of elements:

- The Simple contagion : For example, diseases or informations. Its a type of contagion where only one contact is enough to propagate the element
- The Complex contagion : It can be non familiar behavior or risky behavior that are hard to adopt. This is a contagion that will need a social reinforcement, in other word a certain % of individual in a group will have to adopt those elements or behavior to propagate it to others.

Now... In 1978, a sociologist, Mark Granovetter, published a paper where he proposed a new concept to understand group behavior : The Threshold model for those complexe contagion. The threashold effect is the INDIVIDUAL threashold in % that people will have before they start to adopt a behavior or an element adopted by someone with a lower threashold.

For example, Militant, activist, or very motivated people (from the right or the left) will have a very low threashold % for certain things, they will directly adopt a belief or a behavior because they are completely convinced. On the other side, people who will be very conservative to adopt new belief systems or behavior will have a very high threashold % (the political side doesn't matter, its just a question of our ability or refusal to adopt new elements.

What we need to understand is that this Threashold effect create chain reaction effects to a certain point that we call "the critical mass".

But first : With our example, we can sort the 100 persons from the lower to the highest threashold.

Here is a screenshot representing the lower part of the graph from THIS video about the subject in french. If you want you can watch it with subtitles.



As you can see, among those 100 people, there are 4 that have a threashold of 0%, they will adopt the behavior very easily. After that, you have one that has a threashold of acceptation of 4%. This means that to adopt the behavior, said person will need to see 4 people adopt the behavior first.

And by domino effect, the one with a threashold of 5% will adopt the behavior and so on.. until everyone else adopt the behavior. In our example here, it means that 4 people are needed to start the spreading. 4 is therefore the critical mass of the example.

But we also need to understand that critical masses and threashold are different from context to context. For ex, in a period of crisis, people are more sensible and therefore to spread information that could create conflict, the critical mass be be lower.

Another important thing to understand is that the more you have a group that is highly connected, the more the threashold for the members of said group will be lower. For example: You will be more encline to adopte a belief or a behavior if all your friend do it than if a group of stranger does it.

This is why revolution don't start because of influencal people, but because of the streets where people are highly organized and connected. Revolutions are a peripherical phenomenon. (The Arab spring is exemple a good ex of that). So its very unlikely from a big personnality to spread beliefs if the audience doesn't have a very low threashold to adopt said belief in the first place.

Now, lets come back to our example : if you put music in the big speaker of the stadium and you ask to the four people to go dance... chances are that you will create a group phenomenon where people will start to dance one after the other. Like this in this example where the critical mass was very low due to the relax context and where the threashold was only 1 guy :


The world and Science are amazing
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NOW... HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THE CONTEXT OF WORSTGEN AND MY QUEST ?

Well, as I explained, we need to take into account the critical mass AND the threashold of the group (the users of Worstgen) to go further.

What is currently happening on worstgen right now : The environment, structure and moderation of the forum creates a situation where the threashold for negativity of new users for the acceptation of negativity will potentially fall very LOW.

What does it means for me ?

It means that it practically impossible for me to change toxicity by myself. The threashold for the acceptation of more positive behavior and the end of toxicity is so high (too much people are against it) that there would need a LOT of people (I don't know how many) with the same point of view to create a change. It also means that the critical mass for a positive change to happens is TOO HIGH.

So .. What do I want to do ?

Well, my goal is simple : I want to LOWER the critical mass for the acceptation of positive behavior.

In other words: I want to create a situation where the threashold for the acceptation of more positive behavior will be lowered and where less people will be needed to create a change !

But like I said : I CAN'T do that by myself. So I need to be more clever and use sociology and group behavior studies :

While I will keep imposing a strong moral defense against negativity (in the case where other people start to join my side) ... I will try to BYPASS the threashold problem by attacking DIRECTLY the critical mass.

To attack the critical mass, I need to have an impact on the ENTIRE SYSTEM. This is why I'm trying to convince directly the staff to evolve on different subjects.

By changing the entire system, it will be possible to influence the critical mass and the acceptation for positivity.

It doesn't mean that this forum will become a paradise, but it will be a lot safer, more attractive and less problematic.

And this forum is lucky.. I have a LOT of ideas.

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#59
For the TL;DR crowd, the Never Nakama Peddler wants to recruit a handful of yes men in the assumption of a domino effect to irritate and bully the rest of the forum into changing their array of opinions to be exactly like his so that his opinion would be the absolute majority one on this forum. He could just join a different community with the same values as him but he won't because he detests the mere existence of any corner of the internet not having the same opinion as him and the nebulous internet majority when it comes to his idol Goda.

Negativity must be banned because arbitrary reasons! People must not be allowed to feel their natural disappointment! You will have nothing and be happy!:willight:
Wow you must have a degree in brainwashing or something.
That is effectively his plan. Mob manipulation to bully everybody else. Thing is if any group he didn't like did this exact plan, it would no doubt be oppression.
They'll ban you for tagging them this much
Spam is a bannable offense. :goyea:
 
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