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Lol he literally did it in Stampede. Other forms of One Piece media attribute them as two different moves. ODA, the author, went as far as to name them differently to show THERE IS a difference. Not to mention, we see the difference in scale between the attacks.
You're just being purposefully ignorant.
I'm not even ZKKC but man now I just want it to happen so all the Zoro haters can shut up. Shit would be hilarious.
You're just being purposefully ignorant.
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Zoro shall showcase his trump card very soon. 
He high diffs an previously Injured King, then turns Wado into a Black blade and cuts off Kaido's head above the capital
:cheers:
He high diffs an previously Injured King, then turns Wado into a Black blade and cuts off Kaido's head above the capital
:cheers:
quote me when the next VC or some panels showing orlumbus having a direct effect on his its power i have VC and the manga when zoro was sure he could lift it with ISDS and not your headcanon which got destroyed again
i will make your bag full of L 
- What's the difference between punk rotten
- and punk gibson
i will make your bag full of L - What's the difference between punk rotten
- and punk gibson
I've said already, there is a difference, ISDS is a stronger version of Sanzen Sekai, and that is attributed to Orlumbus' help. Just like Pistol and Jet Pistol are the same attacks, but one is just stronger and faster than the other. When i see Zoro use ISDS on his own, (Outside of a non canon movie) then I will see it as his strongest Santoryu attack.
To me, he'll eventually use it
However, the main question for me is, was Asura actually Haki related? or not... cause according to what we know about it, it's created by Zoro's spirit... spirit in One Piece is usually translated into Haki.... which will lead us to one of three conclusions on why Zoro didn't use it thus far:
1- Either Asura is actually a "Weaker version" of true mastery of Haki... and thus, because Zoro became able to utilize Haki BETTER, he doesn't actually use it in Asura form, rather in what we see....
2- OR it's another advanced shade/technique of armament haki (different from the one luffy learned)... just like Observation has different shades like hearing thoughts (Coby)/ feeling emotions (Luffy)/ reading moves which has Future sight as advanced form...etc.
So, in the same way, Armament Haki MIGHT have Different shades... and Zoro can use armament haki, casually, but Asura is an advanced shade he utilizes for it (different from the advanced techniques Luffy learned)
3- OR, it's not a haki related... it's just a different ability (maybe related to cursed swords or something else) and Zoro can enhance it with Haki...
However, the main question for me is, was Asura actually Haki related? or not... cause according to what we know about it, it's created by Zoro's spirit... spirit in One Piece is usually translated into Haki.... which will lead us to one of three conclusions on why Zoro didn't use it thus far:
1- Either Asura is actually a "Weaker version" of true mastery of Haki... and thus, because Zoro became able to utilize Haki BETTER, he doesn't actually use it in Asura form, rather in what we see....
2- OR it's another advanced shade/technique of armament haki (different from the one luffy learned)... just like Observation has different shades like hearing thoughts (Coby)/ feeling emotions (Luffy)/ reading moves which has Future sight as advanced form...etc.
So, in the same way, Armament Haki MIGHT have Different shades... and Zoro can use armament haki, casually, but Asura is an advanced shade he utilizes for it (different from the advanced techniques Luffy learned)
3- OR, it's not a haki related... it's just a different ability (maybe related to cursed swords or something else) and Zoro can enhance it with Haki...
Can't believe that there's actually an argument that the reason one is SS and the other is ISDS is because Orlumbus threw Zoro. The throw alone is enough to change the name of the attack apparently while ignoring that he repeats such magnitude of attacks whiles stationary in the same chapter.
The lengths of mental gymnastics you need to downplay Zoro ....
The lengths of mental gymnastics you need to downplay Zoro ....
Not sure how saying Sanzen Sekai is Zoro's strongest Santoryu attack is downplaying him. Tell me what does Zoro do different that separates Sanzen Sekai from ISDS? Does he pull his arms apart harder? So when he does a regular Sanzen Sekai he controls his strength juuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough so that he doesn't do ISDS on accident? Is that what it is? :zorothink:
When Luffy fought Magellan with Mr. 3's candle wax he named every attack "Champion", and they were much stronger due to the added boost of the candle wax. It didn't change anything else about the attacks. A rifle was the same thing as a champion rifle, but stronger. The name itself was changed though. So Zoro changing the name from Sanzen Sekai to Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai due to the added force put behind the attack because of the speed in which he was travelling after being thrown is no different.
Many people already pointed out the difference. What I will say won't be that much difference so you just won't accept it in the end.
He names them differently and hence they are different.....if the visual difference is not already an obvious reason for their difference.
The downplay comes from your claim that it is the throw which makes the attack turn into an ISDS....which is such as poor way to downplay it
He names them differently and hence they are different.....if the visual difference is not already an obvious reason for their difference.
The downplay comes from your claim that it is the throw which makes the attack turn into an ISDS....which is such as poor way to downplay it
The is no visual difference. The setup and execution of both attacks are exactly the same. The ONLY difference is that added force behind the attack which is attributed to the throw. And I've provided examples of attacks that are exactly the same, but the names were changed because they were more potent/stronger for one reason or another. ISDS is just a stronger version of Sanzen Sekai. And it's not downplay when it's the truth. The "wind resistance" argument is weak, and utter crap, because the speed in which Zoro is travelling more than makes up for it.
If the throw is the reason, how do you explain him producing an even larger slash when stationary?
Well your argument is no better. One attack has DC and AOE, the other lacks any.
One attack has a different name.
Using stance and setup is equally weak. Luffy starts EG and GM and ET by going G3...by your logic, all of these attacks are equal.
The setup for Oni giri and purgatory Oni giri are the same but one is factually stronger than the other.
As I said, you don't need to go to this much of a stretch to downplay an attack. It is just a weak argument
Well your argument is no better. One attack has DC and AOE, the other lacks any.
One attack has a different name.
Using stance and setup is equally weak. Luffy starts EG and GM and ET by going G3...by your logic, all of these attacks are equal.
The setup for Oni giri and purgatory Oni giri are the same but one is factually stronger than the other.
As I said, you don't need to go to this much of a stretch to downplay an attack. It is just a weak argument