Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

so why do we need trans / cis?

In an ideal world, there would be no need to talk about Cis or trans people.

BUT

We live in a world where trans people are oppressed. So to talk about said oppression, we need to make the distinction between cis and trans people.

 

[AL sama]

I have no issue with this, it's MUCH better than using the category 'woman' for both born women and trans women because it would be inaccurate.
The cis-prefix is not unlike the word 'bio bike'. Idk if the English language uses it too but in German the bio prefix arose as a response to the increasing number of e-bikes in order to specify a bicycle as human-only powered.
It's a normal linguistic process.

not surprising coming from you

 

[Uncle Van]

We actually live in a world where using elementary level grammar correctly gets more flame and attention than someone getting physically beaten for their identity.

 

[Indigo]

We actually live in a world where using elementary level grammar correctly gets more flame and attention than someone getting physically beaten for their identity.

that's not that crazy

the assault happened to individual people

changing the language happens to everyone at the same time

of course people will talk more about the latter

it's a matter of reach

 

[Logiko]

People are really deconnected from actual leftists activism here.

 

[Uncle Van]

that's not that crazy

the assault happened to individual people

changing the language happens to everyone at the same time

of course people will talk more about the latter

it's a matter of reach

It's was more of a general statement. Those who claim to be one right of history do say and do nothing about state level legislations that is slowly eroding rights of adult trans people, but goes on a tirade about how basic grammar and definitions are so destructive.

 

[Indigo]

People are really deconnected from actual leftists activism here.

it's not just here

it's everywhere

what you are getting from WorstGen users

is the perspective that most random people on the street have of the left right now

 

[AL sama]

We actually live in a world where using elementary level grammar correctly gets more flame and attention than someone getting physically beaten for their identity.

if I m a disabled person and someone calls me that without any bad intent then I have no reason to feel offended

if anything I'd be making myself look like a clown if I get offended

 

[Logiko]

it's not just here

it's everywhere what you are getting from WorstGen users

is the perspective that most random people on the street have of the left right now

Yes.

It's what people can see in the deforming mirror hold the right (liberals, republicans, the alt right etc.)

Sadly.... Most people prefer to see watch the light of this deforming mirror rather than the actual reality.

 

[Indigo]

all this language stuff that the left is obsessed with just reminds me of this:

 

[Owl Ki]

it's not just here

it's everywhere

what you are getting from WorstGen users

is the perspective that most random people on the street have of the left right now

The "left" don't exist for the most part in most Western nations. We got smug, nitpicky, keyboard pronoun warriors and controlled opposition that are basically just neo-liberals that talk about crap the vast majority of people don't care for.

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/t...ern-left-is-that-it-doesnt-exist-bfa97bb63a8a

 

[Logiko]

The "left" don't exist for the most part in most Western nations. We got smug, nitpicky keyboard pronoun warriors and controlled opposition that are basically just neo-liberals that talk about crap the vast majority of people don't care for.

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/t...ern-left-is-that-it-doesnt-exist-bfa97bb63a8a

I think France and Spain are the only place were the left is still strong. Other than that.. All leftists in the world are invisibilized.

This does not mean that there are not leftists people in the world, just that systems are so rigged, the opposition so strong and sometimes conservatist so oppressive that it makes it almost impossible to create real leftist party.

The US are a big example of that.

 

[Uncle Van]

all this language stuff that the left is obsessed with just reminds me of this:

I was literally watching that an hour ago lmao. George Carline is a genius when it comes to society and common sense.

The "left" don't exist for the most part in most Western nations. We got smug, nitpicky, keyboard pronoun warriors and controlled opposition that are basically just neo-liberals that talk about crap the vast majority of people don't care for.

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/t...ern-left-is-that-it-doesnt-exist-bfa97bb63a8a

This is what lots of don't people don't get. Lots of people who call themselves leftist aren't even left. Dictating what people can or can't say using fear of unreasonable consequence? How very North Korea of them.

 

[Indigo]

I was literally watching that an hour ago lmao. George Carline is a genius when it comes to society and common sense.

George was the best

called the bullshit on all sides

 

[Roo]

It's was more of a general statement. Those who claim to be one right of history do say and do nothing about state level legislations that is slowly eroding rights of adult trans people, but goes on a tirade about how basic grammar and definitions are so destructive.

do you live under a rock? pretty sure I've heard the term trans genocide regarding some laws being passed more than dumb pronoun talk

 

[Logiko]

Dictating what people can or can't say using fear of unreasonable consequence?

I'm sure you saw a lot of leftist activists go to physical wars because people refused to call a trans woman a woman.

 

[Uncle Van]

do you live under a rock? pretty sure I've heard the term trans genocide regarding some laws being passed more than dumb pronoun talk

Do you always speak before thinking? It's clearly mocking those who only care about pronouns instead of legislation. And pronoun talk is way more popular and mainstream.

 

[Indigo]

I'm sure you saw a lot of leftist activists go to physical wars because people refused to call a trans woman a woman.

in today's society

taking people's jobs and ruining their careers is a much bigger consequence than wars

considering everybody is living pay check to pay check

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

all this language stuff that the left is obsessed with just reminds me of this:

This is because of bored academy people feeling the need to justify their existence and drawing attention to themselves to feel important. That's 21th century science for you.

 

[Logiko]

taking people's jobs and ruining their careers is a much bigger consequence than wars

You want to tell me that you are afraid because big millionnaires lost juicy contracts because they choosed to be oppressive?