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You think this because you don't realize that there are plenty of people with Luffy's level of haki and are still DF merchants.
Luffy is a DF merchant, Kaido is a DF merchant, Imu is a DF merchant and so on... All capable of CoC coating and yet relying on DFs...
That's because you haven't seen what true hakimen look like, Zoro is the only one who is giving you a taste of it but yall downplay it so you cant really understand it. After all, the ability of CoC infusion was just a stepping stone for hakiman like Zoro.
The illusion will survive tho because Oda will never put Zoro/Mihawk against DF merchants like Imu/Blackbeard...
Only when rooftop-like things happen is it obvious just how much behind DF merchants truly are compared to hakimen.
Luffy is a DF merchant, Kaido is a DF merchant, Imu is a DF merchant and so on... All capable of CoC coating and yet relying on DFs...
That's because you haven't seen what true hakimen look like, Zoro is the only one who is giving you a taste of it but yall downplay it so you cant really understand it. After all, the ability of CoC infusion was just a stepping stone for hakiman like Zoro.
The illusion will survive tho because Oda will never put Zoro/Mihawk against DF merchants like Imu/Blackbeard...
Only when rooftop-like things happen is it obvious just how much behind DF merchants truly are compared to hakimen.
That's not downplaying Zoro, it's just understanding that Zoro hasn't fought real top tiers yet. He was overpowering King, a commander and one shotting him while his flames were off. We know that there are levels to CoC coating as Kaido pointed out when saying Luffy gained a powerful weapon, but his usage was crude and clumsy, and there are levels even beyond that (forcing people out of their DF and stunning them, even top tiers).
Zoro's feats are: Defeating a commander. That's all. You are making stuff up with Zoro showing us the biggest glimpse of what it means to be a Haki master. Defeating a commander (referring to King's invincibility mode is useless, since he didn't use it against Dragon Damnation) is not the same as stunning top tiers like an admiral from miles away.
Zoro's feats are: Defeating a commander. That's all. You are making stuff up with Zoro showing us the biggest glimpse of what it means to be a Haki master. Defeating a commander (referring to King's invincibility mode is useless, since he didn't use it against Dragon Damnation) is not the same as stunning top tiers like an admiral from miles away.
This guy is screwed
@Erkan12.
Your thread about BB outlasting Imu actually broke Skycuck.
Luffy needs God tier haki and God's fruit to beat Blackbeard 
Cope #1: Joyboy and Luffy are DF "merchants". Prior to awakening, Luffy's DF was mediocre; he was mostly using his own physical strength augmenting it with the stretchiness of his body, having to max out his Hakis to survive in the new world.
1. Had to learn FS to best a YC
2. Had to learn internal destruction (lv 3 armament) to be able to harm Kaido
3. Had to learn barrier + CoC coating to amp his AP
4. Had to refine said CoC to sky splitter level
His newest mode pre awakening, namely G4, was purely based on fusing his rubber properties with Haki.
Luffy has nothing to do with being a DF "merchant".
And how does a DF user having maxed out Hakis disprove Haki > DFs?
1. Had to learn FS to best a YC
2. Had to learn internal destruction (lv 3 armament) to be able to harm Kaido
3. Had to learn barrier + CoC coating to amp his AP
4. Had to refine said CoC to sky splitter level
His newest mode pre awakening, namely G4, was purely based on fusing his rubber properties with Haki.
Luffy has nothing to do with being a DF "merchant".
And how does a DF user having maxed out Hakis disprove Haki > DFs?
The latest CoC feat of Joyboy was an
non-hostile
800 year old rusted haki
which accomplished this:
1. Sky splitter itself
2. Covered a very large area
3. Took down all Vice admirals
4. Stunned 5 top tiers (including a swordman with supreme grade sword)
If this feat doesnt prove that JB was a hakiman and denounce by saying it a one time thing than i dont what to say. Mind you Luffy will even surpass this EOS.
non-hostile
800 year old rusted haki
which accomplished this:
1. Sky splitter itself
2. Covered a very large area
3. Took down all Vice admirals
4. Stunned 5 top tiers (including a swordman with supreme grade sword)
If this feat doesnt prove that JB was a hakiman and denounce by saying it a one time thing than i dont what to say. Mind you Luffy will even surpass this EOS.
You're omitting and downplaying Zoro's feats.
Zoro feats are:
- blocking hakai, a combo attack from 2 top tier where one of the users may show the other user have still had the power to perform the attack even though they fought them for 3 days and split the sky against them.
- besting and scarring a top tier, with some of the highest durability and endurancein, in battle while weaken 20 to 30 broken bones that affected his strength, speed, and power.
- beating and scarring a YC who can withstand attacks better than any top tier in flame mode
and who's body is still harder to damage than top tier in flameless mode who has high endurance.
- beat awakening Lucci with one name technique.
- forcing a Gorosei, you only block a tax I concern them, to block his attack. A feat yonko Luffy hasn't achieved.
Zoro achieved all of that mostly thanks to the power of his haki.
Post Wano Zoro is post Dressrosa. Back then some didn't think Zoro was YC1 level because he didn't get the opportunity to fight and be one. Just like now, some think Zoro isn't top tier because he hasn't had thr opportunity to beat a top tier.
Zoro feats are:
- blocking hakai, a combo attack from 2 top tier where one of the users may show the other user have still had the power to perform the attack even though they fought them for 3 days and split the sky against them.
- besting and scarring a top tier, with some of the highest durability and endurancein, in battle while weaken 20 to 30 broken bones that affected his strength, speed, and power.
- beating and scarring a YC who can withstand attacks better than any top tier in flame mode
and who's body is still harder to damage than top tier in flameless mode who has high endurance.
- beat awakening Lucci with one name technique.
- forcing a Gorosei, you only block a tax I concern them, to block his attack. A feat yonko Luffy hasn't achieved.
Zoro achieved all of that mostly thanks to the power of his haki.
Post Wano Zoro is post Dressrosa. Back then some didn't think Zoro was YC1 level because he didn't get the opportunity to fight and be one. Just like now, some think Zoro isn't top tier because he hasn't had thr opportunity to beat a top tier.
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@Blackbeard Awakened Yami from EoS Teach probably negs Joyboy and Imu together, Gear 7 "Ultra Nika" Goofy will beat it after 10 rounds of food replenishing
You're omitting and downplaying Zoro's feats.
Zoro feats are:
- blocking hakai, a combo attack from 2 top tier where one of the users may show the other user have still had the power to perform the attack even though they fought them for 3 days and split the sky against them.
- besting and scarring a top tier, with some of the highest durability and endurancein, in battle while weaken 20 to 30 broken bones that affected his strength, speed, and power.
- beating and scarring a YC who can withstand attacks better than any top tier in flame mode
and who's body is still harder to damage than top tier in flameless mode who has high endurance.
- forcing a Gorosei, you only block a tax I concern them, to block his attack. A feat yonko Luffy hasn't achieved.
Zoro achieved all of that mostly thanks to the power of his haki.
Post Wano Zoro is post Dressrosa. Back then some didn't think Zoro was YC1 level because he didn't get the opportunity to fight and be one. Just like now, some think Zoro isn't top tier because he hasn't had thr opportunity to beat a top tier.
Zoro feats are:
- blocking hakai, a combo attack from 2 top tier where one of the users may show the other user have still had the power to perform the attack even though they fought them for 3 days and split the sky against them.
- besting and scarring a top tier, with some of the highest durability and endurancein, in battle while weaken 20 to 30 broken bones that affected his strength, speed, and power.
- beating and scarring a YC who can withstand attacks better than any top tier in flame mode
and who's body is still harder to damage than top tier in flameless mode who has high endurance.
- forcing a Gorosei, you only block a tax I concern them, to block his attack. A feat yonko Luffy hasn't achieved.
Zoro achieved all of that mostly thanks to the power of his haki.
Post Wano Zoro is post Dressrosa. Back then some didn't think Zoro was YC1 level because he didn't get the opportunity to fight and be one. Just like now, some think Zoro isn't top tier because he hasn't had thr opportunity to beat a top tier.
Zoro hasn't yet fought established top tiers 1 on 1 for an extended period of time, we can't translate his performance against high tiers to Yonko level guys.
Funny because I remember the exact same argument before rooftop because >Zoro hasnt fought commanders yet, strongest he beat is Pica.
Turns out Pica shits on 90% of commanders.
Same thing with King, who you think is just mere commander while he shits on Big mom and Kizaru, factually...
In the end, the power of handful of strongest is a mere stepping stone for Zoro and you are not treating him as one of the strongest, in fact you put him below top tiers without aCoC...
Turns out Pica shits on 90% of commanders.
Same thing with King, who you think is just mere commander while he shits on Big mom and Kizaru, factually...
In the end, the power of handful of strongest is a mere stepping stone for Zoro and you are not treating him as one of the strongest, in fact you put him below top tiers without aCoC...
Cope #1: Joyboy and Luffy are DF "merchants". Prior to awakening, Luffy's DF was mediocre; he was mostly using his own physical strength augmenting it with the stretchiness of his body, having to max out his Hakis to survive in the new world.
1. Had to learn FS to best a YC
2. Had to learn internal destruction (lv 3 armament) to be able to harm Kaido
3. Had to learn barrier + CoC coating to amp his AP
4. Had to refine said CoC to sky splitter level
His newest mode pre awakening, namely G4, was purely based on fusing his rubber properties with Haki.
Luffy has nothing to do with being a DF "merchant".
And how does a DF user having maxed out Hakis disprove Haki > DFs?
1. Had to learn FS to best a YC
2. Had to learn internal destruction (lv 3 armament) to be able to harm Kaido
3. Had to learn barrier + CoC coating to amp his AP
4. Had to refine said CoC to sky splitter level
His newest mode pre awakening, namely G4, was purely based on fusing his rubber properties with Haki.
Luffy has nothing to do with being a DF "merchant".
And how does a DF user having maxed out Hakis disprove Haki > DFs?
Vs kat
Vs kaido
Luffy s fruit is the reason he gets some blunt dmg immunity and cant break bones
No df no ranged attacks
No df no blunt immumity
No df will break his bones
No df no g2 g3 or 4
It's the opposite, the moment Zoro came to the roof top, people shitted on King and said Zoro is already beyond commander level, only for King to trash Zoro (albeit it was also due to Enma taxing him, but that aside, King was also easily eating Zoro's attacks and sending him through the walls).
Well, he is a commander. An underling of a Yonko who calls his captain the strongest. Aramaki himself called King and Queen mere commanders.
But Yamato also has CoC coating. Zoro now is in the top tier category himself, don't get me wrong. He just lacks the feats that justify him being jazzed up to Yonko level, let alone above. Though he will eventually get there, obviously.
Well, he is a commander. An underling of a Yonko who calls his captain the strongest. Aramaki himself called King and Queen mere commanders.
But Yamato also has CoC coating. Zoro now is in the top tier category himself, don't get me wrong. He just lacks the feats that justify him being jazzed up to Yonko level, let alone above. Though he will eventually get there, obviously.
That was Zoribros who said that and they were right, Zoro was already beyond commander level.
Non-Zoribros were still playing the same tune as I described or rather they were quiet because Zoro was handling 2 Emperors which destroyed their headcanon that Zoro is commander tier because he hasn't fought commander tier people.
King never trashed Zoro, never managing to land a single clean hit is proof of it.
He was eating Zoro's attacks because his defenses are above top tiers, forget commander tiers. Same for his raw physicals.
If you lift King where he belongs, among top tiers, you will understand that Zoro has nothing to do with commander tier at that point.
His best feats were scored against top tiers at that time, pulling off the impossible. Imagine a commander level capable of that... lol
Oden is a commander, Zoro is a commander, Rayleigh is a commander, Beckman is a commander, Sabo is a commander, etc...
None of them are commander tier when it comes to strength. Calling his captain the strongest is anti-King argument? lol
Aramaki can call them whatever he wants, reality is that he enjoyed all the plot armor one can ask and still couldn't do shit to already defeated King without flames.
Yes and we have to treat Yamato as one of the very strongest, whether we like it or not.
No one without aCoC should be above her, unless it is someone with even bigger hype than aCoC - godly Lunarians.
Feats of rooftop Zoro(pre-handful of strongest PU+KOH) cannot be found among top tiers, forget high tiers.
FMI Zoro was top tier already, in the lower echelon where all those top tiers without power of handful of strongest belong aka Admirals.
After aCoC and KOH, he moved up in the upper echelon of top tier alongside others with handful of strongest ability.
Considering that aCoC was just a stepping stone, obviously, we will see Zoro leave the top tier and settle where destiny awaits, god tier.
Non-Zoribros were still playing the same tune as I described or rather they were quiet because Zoro was handling 2 Emperors which destroyed their headcanon that Zoro is commander tier because he hasn't fought commander tier people.
King never trashed Zoro, never managing to land a single clean hit is proof of it.
He was eating Zoro's attacks because his defenses are above top tiers, forget commander tiers. Same for his raw physicals.
If you lift King where he belongs, among top tiers, you will understand that Zoro has nothing to do with commander tier at that point.
His best feats were scored against top tiers at that time, pulling off the impossible. Imagine a commander level capable of that... lol
Oden is a commander, Zoro is a commander, Rayleigh is a commander, Beckman is a commander, Sabo is a commander, etc...
None of them are commander tier when it comes to strength. Calling his captain the strongest is anti-King argument? lol
Aramaki can call them whatever he wants, reality is that he enjoyed all the plot armor one can ask and still couldn't do shit to already defeated King without flames.
Yes and we have to treat Yamato as one of the very strongest, whether we like it or not.
No one without aCoC should be above her, unless it is someone with even bigger hype than aCoC - godly Lunarians.
Feats of rooftop Zoro(pre-handful of strongest PU+KOH) cannot be found among top tiers, forget high tiers.
FMI Zoro was top tier already, in the lower echelon where all those top tiers without power of handful of strongest belong aka Admirals.
After aCoC and KOH, he moved up in the upper echelon of top tier alongside others with handful of strongest ability.
Considering that aCoC was just a stepping stone, obviously, we will see Zoro leave the top tier and settle where destiny awaits, god tier.
Rayleigh is the vice captain, Beckman is the vice captain, the strawhats don't really have commanders in the traditional sense, though Zoro was portrayed as being like the vice captain to the crew. Guys like Yasopp and Roo are commanders, the calamities are commanders, the sweet commanders are commanders. Oden technically joined as a commander, but contrary to the other commanders being his children, he joined as Whitebeard's brother.
King doesn't really stand out as a commander. He has no special standing. And yes, Aramaki destroyed King and Queen. Although King wasn't at this strongest, he looked pitiful. Aramaki had zero struggle even though he handled Queen at the same time.
This doesn't look like he "couldn't do shit":
King doesn't really stand out as a commander. He has no special standing. And yes, Aramaki destroyed King and Queen. Although King wasn't at this strongest, he looked pitiful. Aramaki had zero struggle even though he handled Queen at the same time.
This doesn't look like he "couldn't do shit":