Powers & Abilities It is over for the Devil Fruit users.

Are DF merchants screwed?

  • Yes, of course they are.

  • No, hopium is strong.


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
What if Joyboy's right hand was a Lunarian with ACoC though:bamathink:
He didn't otherwise King wouldn't be called strongest right hand man in history. :sanmoji:

Imagine Aramaki defeating prime Garp and prime Rayleigh because they haven't fully recovered from a battle from a week ago.
We don't have to imagine anything.
We already have Shanks blaming the Admiral for picking on the winners, imagine picking on the losers...
Winners being Joyboy and King of Hell among others... What are Garp and Rayleigh compared to those two... :wellwell:
 
We don't have to imagine anything.
We already have Shanks blaming the Admiral for picking on the winners, imagine picking on the losers...
Winners being Joyboy and King of Hell among others... What are Garp and Rayleigh compared to those two... :wellwell:
The winners were pushed to their limits too. Luffy was koed multiple times and even died once. Zoro literally received twice the impact from Hakai after already being taxed by King prior to that, literally being confronted by the death god, which was basically a near death experience.

If you, after a week of rest, can't even hold a candle to the opponent while being backed up, you are simply not among the strongest.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
The winners were pushed to their limits too. Luffy was koed multiple times and even died once. Zoro literally received twice the impact from Hakai after already being taxed by King prior to that, literally being confronted by the death god, which was basically a near death experience.

If you, after a week of rest, can't even hold a candle to the opponent while being backed up, you are simply not among the strongest.
If they were able to hold a candle to the opponent with backup, Shanks wouldn't scold the Admiral.
And nobody has received as devastating a wound as King did from Zoro.
 
If they were able to hold a candle to the opponent with backup, Shanks wouldn't scold the Admiral.
He didn't scold him because the alliance wouldn't be able to stand up, but because he tried to capitalize on the fact they were resting after a big fight. Unless you think Aramaki would defeat an alliance containing Luffy and Zoro among many others. Yamato herself said that they should call Luffy and the others, since they are better than Greenbull, while they were eating popcorn and enjoying the fight.
And nobody has received as devastating a wound as King did from Zoro.
Both Luffy and Zoro did. Luffy literally died before bouncing back and last time I checked, dying > being KOed. And receiving twice the damage from Hakai is obviously much more heavy than Dragon Damnation.

There is no excuse for King to be brutalized by Greenbull like that if he is on a level with the likes of prime Ray.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
He didn't scold him because the alliance wouldn't be able to stand up, but because he tried to capitalize on the fact they were resting after a big fight. Unless you think Aramaki would defeat an alliance containing Luffy and Zoro among many others. Yamato herself said that they should call Luffy and the others, since they are better than Greenbull, while they were eating popcorn and enjoying the fight.
Doesnt matter what I think but the fact that Shanks scolds him for trying to get them while exhausted from battle while checking on Kidd if he is recovered, says that even the winners weren't ready to have a fight with Admiral due to injuries and this is nothing new...

Both Luffy and Zoro did. Luffy literally died before bouncing back and last time I checked, dying > being KOed. And receiving twice the damage from Hakai is obviously much more heavy than Dragon Damnation.

There is no excuse for King to be brutalized by Greenbull like that if he is on a level with the likes of prime Ray.
Luffy has no lasting damage from dying, he is back better than ever. After facing Dragon Damnation, you arent back better than ever.
You are left with career-ending injuries.
Mink medicine recoil is certainly something heavy but it deals damage in a different way, a way that you can recover from.
There is no recovering cut-off body parts.

Excuse is not needed, Shanks already explained everything.
Everyone can be brutalized by GB a week after devastating wounds from Zoro.
 
Doesnt matter what I think but the fact that Shanks scolds him for trying to get them while exhausted from battle while checking on Kidd if he is recovered, says that even the winners weren't ready to have a fight with Admiral due to injuries and this is nothing new...


Luffy has no lasting damage from dying, he is back better than ever. After facing Dragon Damnation, you arent back better than ever.
You are left with career-ending injuries.
Mink medicine recoil is certainly something heavy but it deals damage in a different way, a way that you can recover from.
There is no recovering cut-off body parts.

Excuse is not needed, Shanks already explained everything.
Everyone can be brutalized by GB a week after devastating wounds from Zoro.
Does that mean Doffy has more AP than zoro through all of one piece till 1033 because he cut off Laws arm while Zoro didn't cut any limb till wano even from normal durability dudes all of post-ts?
Damn that's brazy :josad:
Even nik became a doffy wanker
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Because Doffy's scene is without consequences, Law's arm got re-attached like it was never gone.
And purely narrative showing that Law is toddler compared to Doffy.
Doffy's strongest named slicing move(Overheato) never achieved such results as that nameless one.
In Zoro's case, it is there to show that the damage is absolute and it went through everything in its path.
 
Because Doffy's scene is without consequences, Law's arm got re-attached like it was never gone.
And purely narrative showing that Law is toddler compared to Doffy.
Doffy's strongest named slicing move(Overheato) never achieved such results as that nameless one.
In Zoro's case, it is there to show that the damage is absolute and it went through everything in its path.
Whats the narrative consequence of King getting his wing clipped? We didn't even king try to use it when he was jobbing against GB. Meanwhile Law was calling down his ancestors screaming and taken out of the fight
If anything the one for King is way more fanservice
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Whats the narrative consequence of King getting his wing clipped? We didn't even king try to use it when he was jobbing against GB. Meanwhile Law was calling down his ancestors screaming and taken out of the fight
If anything the one for King is way more fanservice
It is not fan service, as I said, it shows the damage is absolute, that King should have been killed.
However, Oda still has use for him and that's why he survived.
Huge magma dragons and a Hardened Sword were bisected, wing being cut off shows that nothing survives in DD's path.
 
It is not fan service, as I said, it shows the damage is absolute, that King should have been killed.
However, Oda still has use for him and that's why he survived.
Huge magma dragons and a Hardened Sword were bisected, wing being cut off shows that nothing survives in DD's path.
Damn that's crazy. Good you are here to explain this stuff to us while Oda clearly intents to show us this and instead never tells us, while we getting 40 chapter of vegapunk speech. I hope Zoro kills a major opponent before you get grandkids so you can be free of the duty of educating us
:finally:
 
@nik87 Nik-chin. Unless King's wings have to be intact for him to be able to utilize his full power, cutting off half of his wing shouldn't result in career ending injuries. That's not even Oda's style. As lethal as Zoro's blows are, his opponents will recover just well over time. Given Marco could hold off both King and Queen while wasting his flames of resurrection on the environment, it doesn't really speak for King having great combat capabilities either. He is a good fighter with a great gimmick which soon will be explored through the Seraphim, when they get defeated at their prime and we get to know how the Lunarians were annihilated.

Let's give King credit without pretending he is Yonko tier.

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@nik87 Nik-chin. Unless King's wings have to be intact for him to be able to utilize his full power, cutting off half of his wing shouldn't result in career ending injuries. That's not even Oda's style. As lethal as Zoro's blows are, his opponents will recover just well over time. Given Marco could hold off both King and Queen while wasting his flames of resurrection on the environment, it doesn't really speak for King having great combat capabilities either. He is a good fighter with a great gimmick which soon will be explored through the Seraphim, when they get defeated at their prime and we get to know how the Lunarians were annihilated.

Let's give King credit without pretending he is Yonko tier.

:halt:
I wonder what oda tried to tell us Sanji ripping out Queens arm with a kick
@nik87 thoughts? :sanmoji:
 
I want to add on Godfy also broke the horn of Kaido. In Mythology horn of a demon is similar to its Crown. This signifies that ma boy Godfy took the crown from Kaido for himself.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Damn that's crazy. Good you are here to explain this stuff to us while Oda clearly intents to show us this and instead never tells us, while we getting 40 chapter of vegapunk speech. I hope Zoro kills a major opponent before you get grandkids so you can be free of the duty of educating us
:finally:
No problem, I have been explaining things for quite a while. :milaugh:
For example, telling people what Asura is without Oda saying anything about it.
Whenever people cant put 2 and 2 together, I am there to help out.

@nik87 Nik-chin. Unless King's wings have to be intact for him to be able to utilize his full power, cutting off half of his wing shouldn't result in career ending injuries. That's not even Oda's style. As lethal as Zoro's blows are, his opponents will recover just well over time. Given Marco could hold off both King and Queen while wasting his flames of resurrection on the environment, it doesn't really speak for King having great combat capabilities either. He is a good fighter with a great gimmick which soon will be explored through the Seraphim, when they get defeated at their prime and we get to know how the Lunarians were annihilated.

Let's give King credit without pretending he is Yonko tier.

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You are missing the point, lol.
It is not the wing that is the problem, the wing is disposable and irrelevant.
It was King's torso that took that attack, the wing was just used to convey that damage is absolute.
This is a worse wound than the one Mihawk gave to Zoro and we know Zoro wasn't in good condition for a long time afterward.

King is still shown in the same bandages he had from fight with Zoro, he still hasn't recovered and probably never will recover fully.
You just show that you are casual with that remark with Marco. How does Marco holding his combat-unfit zoan form affect anything that King has demonstrated in combat forms like base and hybrid? How much has King tried vs Marco and how much did he try vs Zoro?

King's combat capabilities arent great, they are fantastic. Zoro doesn't call people killing machines every day. Heck, Zoro never thought losing was an option even when he faced 2 Emperors and yet started envisioning his defeat against King. There is no such thing as gimmick, you cant do anything about it as long as he is in flame mode. A solution to it was never presented.
And when he isn't in flame mode, you are facing an entirely different problem.

There is no such thing as Yonko tier, not when it comes to 1vs1. It is a tier for pirating organizations.
Even if we play along with it, as long as Big Mom and Blackbeard are a Yonko, King is a Yonko tier too.
No amount of effort will make Big Mom look better than King. I have already addressed their stats and all favor King.
After all, you don't see every day 2 Yonkos being used as underlings hypetools...

King and Queen: Little difference in bounty, grouped together as the calamities with Jack, referred to as commanders by Aramaki.
Nik-chin: King is superior to Beckman, Oden, prime Rayleigh and Joyboy's RHM.

:seriously:
Queen about King: A monster that cannot be defeated.
And wasn't defeated since he made a promise to Kaido. :milaugh:
 
The Parralells of rhe monstor trio is great here: Godfy breaking the horn of the worlds strongest creature, Zoro clipping the wing of the world strongest RHM, and Sanji ripping of the arm of world strongest LHM.
 
It’s so over that two of the most important upcoming guys(akainu/bb) have df
Not sure about dragon
Oh yeah forgot sworn brother and childhood friend of the mc-sabo
you can forget akainu he is equal to bb yc2 he is weak and not relevant in terms of power at this point. he would get one shot by a good acoc hit in the head by a yonko level or beaten extreme diff by a beckman or a shiryu and its this being true will not damage the relevance of one piece we have enough strong people.
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Garp while being old and injured was trading blows with an admiral, blitzing and slapping him away. King with a week of rest was flattened by Aramaki as a side hustle along with Queen. Imagine Aramaki defeating prime Garp and prime Rayleigh because they haven't fully recovered from a battle from a week ago.

:pepebuggy:
garp got taken down by a sword hit and punch, queen and king took worse than that and for the plot they were already finished physically even marco was still out of combat even with regen fruit 1 month after
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