Speculations The Return of Scopper Gaban
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And what does Yorki do thats any better lmao? What actual lore relevant information does he bring to the table? You arent arguing a good case, you just expect one character and refute the other for whatever personal reason you have.
Yorki living effectively means Brook's entire dream is for nothing. He would have seen Laboon. Laboon would have recognized him and felt the Rumbar Pirates didnt abandon him. Better yet, why would Yorki take 50 years to visit Laboon again when he exited Grandline already?
Elbaf doesnt "need" anything, its just extremely likely this is Scopper because Oda has teased him in and out of the SBS, unlike Yorki surviving anything
Yorki living effectively means Brook's entire dream is for nothing. He would have seen Laboon. Laboon would have recognized him and felt the Rumbar Pirates didnt abandon him. Better yet, why would Yorki take 50 years to visit Laboon again when he exited Grandline already?
Elbaf doesnt "need" anything, its just extremely likely this is Scopper because Oda has teased him in and out of the SBS, unlike Yorki surviving anything
Gaban doesn’t need to be Rayleigh to play a role in the story
He’s clearly one of the standout members of the crew. There isn’t really any reason to dislike him since he’s barely been fleshed out at all
The only “reason” is to project zoro and sanji fully on to Rayleigh and gaban so that shitting on ganan = shitting on sanji. Which is corny to do
He’s clearly one of the standout members of the crew. There isn’t really any reason to dislike him since he’s barely been fleshed out at all
The only “reason” is to project zoro and sanji fully on to Rayleigh and gaban so that shitting on ganan = shitting on sanji. Which is corny to do
What makes you think I‘m arguing that Yorki is the man waiting on Elbaf?
Yorki living doesn’t mean Brook’s dream is for nothing, because Yorki didn‘t accomplish the Rumbar Pirate promise to Laboon. Yorki’s failed, Laboon’s waiting for someone to have come back having done the (at the time never done before) full circle around the Grand Line back to Reverse Mountain.
When did an SBS tease Gaban? Oda isn’t teasing him anymore than he’s teasing Seagull.
Yorki living doesn’t mean Brook’s dream is for nothing, because Yorki didn‘t accomplish the Rumbar Pirate promise to Laboon. Yorki’s failed, Laboon’s waiting for someone to have come back having done the (at the time never done before) full circle around the Grand Line back to Reverse Mountain.
When did an SBS tease Gaban? Oda isn’t teasing him anymore than he’s teasing Seagull.
The sillhouette (round hat/jacket) very clearly resembles the person drinking with Crocus, who you claim is Yorki lol.
If you dont think thats the same person, fine, but then you virtually have no guess to go by, so to refute Scopper is just weird lol.
And no lol, it severely dimishes the meaning of someone else in Brook's crew seeing Laboon before Brook does, regardless of what goalpost you are setting by saying Brook "needs" to complete his travel in GL first.
If you dont think thats the same person, fine, but then you virtually have no guess to go by, so to refute Scopper is just weird lol.
And no lol, it severely dimishes the meaning of someone else in Brook's crew seeing Laboon before Brook does, regardless of what goalpost you are setting by saying Brook "needs" to complete his travel in GL first.
Yeah, I’m not putting much weight on silhouettes.
What kind of argument is this?
I don’t think Gaban will play a role in the series at all, period, for the reasons I’ve said. Whether it’s him being imprisoned on Wano, a silhouette in Elbaf, waiting on Lodestar or the guardian of Laugh Tale, there is nothing to make me think he has such a vital role when Rayleigh was just bumming around Saobody.
Yea, it’s me setting the goalposts. Not the manga.
The entire reason Brook is with Luffy is because he needs to fulfil his promise to Laboon by completing the Grand Line, otherwise he could have went to see him at any point in the last two years since he got his shadow back.
What kind of argument is this?
I don’t think Gaban will play a role in the series at all, period, for the reasons I’ve said. Whether it’s him being imprisoned on Wano, a silhouette in Elbaf, waiting on Lodestar or the guardian of Laugh Tale, there is nothing to make me think he has such a vital role when Rayleigh was just bumming around Saobody.
Yea, it’s me setting the goalposts. Not the manga.
The entire reason Brook is with Luffy is because he needs to fulfil his promise to Laboon by completing the Grand Line, otherwise he could have went to see him at any point in the last two years since he got his shadow back.
Ironic, considering for months you swore up and down Jupiter (who is a worm and has no arms or sharp tail) was the big sillhouette and not Imu lol.
Then actually guess who you think the person is instead of just swearing by it not being the one person everyone can reasonably think of lol.
Yea, it’s me setting the goalposts. Not the manga.
The entire reason Brook is with Luffy is because he needs to fulfil his promise to Laboon by completing the Grand Line, otherwise he could have went to see him at any point in the last two years since he got his shadow back.
Lol, sure touche, so then explain why it would take Yorki 52 years to get back to Laboon if he recovered from his disease. Why did he "only" show up post-TS? Not even Crocus has gotten a scene recognizing Brooks bounty.
Explain why Oda would tease this person 500 chapters ago at all if he's never going to meet them at Elbaf or anywhere else (as you said, you arent putting much weight on sillhouettes) lol. He's just gonna hang around there for months until Brook gets back?
Im just trying to understand your logic instead of just assuming this a Roger Pirate reunion lol.
Edit: Does anyone not realize that the only reason Yorki got sick and exited Grandline was to explain why Crocus said this?
It was to explain how Crocus could have a "reliable" source about Brooks' crew leaving Grandline while also letting Brook be in Grandline. So people wouldnt go back and question how Crocus could be so sure about this.
Yorki is dead.
Then actually guess who you think the person is instead of just swearing by it not being the one person everyone can reasonably think of lol.
Yea, it’s me setting the goalposts. Not the manga.
The entire reason Brook is with Luffy is because he needs to fulfil his promise to Laboon by completing the Grand Line, otherwise he could have went to see him at any point in the last two years since he got his shadow back.
Explain why Oda would tease this person 500 chapters ago at all if he's never going to meet them at Elbaf or anywhere else (as you said, you arent putting much weight on sillhouettes) lol. He's just gonna hang around there for months until Brook gets back?
Im just trying to understand your logic instead of just assuming this a Roger Pirate reunion lol.
Edit: Does anyone not realize that the only reason Yorki got sick and exited Grandline was to explain why Crocus said this?
It was to explain how Crocus could have a "reliable" source about Brooks' crew leaving Grandline while also letting Brook be in Grandline. So people wouldnt go back and question how Crocus could be so sure about this.
Yorki is dead.
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Have you seen Jupiter’s hybrid and not shared it with anyone?
The question of the thread is “do you think this is Gaban?”
I’ve explained why I don’t.
I don’t know who it is, I just don’t think it’s Gaban.
Recovered from his disease, felt deeply ashmaed that he failed his promise to Laboon, discovered that the Rumbar Pirates were wiped out and felt even worse, saw Brook’s return during the timeskip and felt rejuvenated, headed to wait for him with Laboon because he trusts Brook will succeed where he failed.
Crocus’ whole story is about how the Rumbar Pirates who left the Grand Line- Yorki- are a disgrace for failing in their promise to Laboon. Now we know that things weren’t that simple, but Yorki will still feel the shame of failing the promise regardless.
Why would I think that the guy meeting Crocus has anything to do with Elbaf? What does him appearing 500 chapters ago have to do with Elbaf?
He’s not a giant and he’s not wearing Viking clothing. The arc that people thought he would be in is Wano, because of the Japanese clothing. He didn’t appear in Wano after 300 chapters, why should I think he needs to be in Elbaf after 500?
If it’s a Roger Pirate reunion and Gaban was heading to Elbaf why didn’t Oda show the guy heading through the Grand Line in one of the other decks of the world chapters, speaking to Rayleigh or running into another of the old gen?
I think that’s Yorki waiting for Brook until the end, because that would mean he’s 90 odd year old and not particularly capable of chasing through the Grand Line to catch up with him, given that he failed to do it as a young man.
The question of the thread is “do you think this is Gaban?”
I’ve explained why I don’t.
I don’t know who it is, I just don’t think it’s Gaban.
Recovered from his disease, felt deeply ashmaed that he failed his promise to Laboon, discovered that the Rumbar Pirates were wiped out and felt even worse, saw Brook’s return during the timeskip and felt rejuvenated, headed to wait for him with Laboon because he trusts Brook will succeed where he failed.
Crocus’ whole story is about how the Rumbar Pirates who left the Grand Line- Yorki- are a disgrace for failing in their promise to Laboon. Now we know that things weren’t that simple, but Yorki will still feel the shame of failing the promise regardless.
Why would I think that the guy meeting Crocus has anything to do with Elbaf? What does him appearing 500 chapters ago have to do with Elbaf?
He’s not a giant and he’s not wearing Viking clothing. The arc that people thought he would be in is Wano, because of the Japanese clothing. He didn’t appear in Wano after 300 chapters, why should I think he needs to be in Elbaf after 500?
If it’s a Roger Pirate reunion and Gaban was heading to Elbaf why didn’t Oda show the guy heading through the Grand Line in one of the other decks of the world chapters, speaking to Rayleigh or running into another of the old gen?
I think that’s Yorki waiting for Brook until the end, because that would mean he’s 90 odd year old and not particularly capable of chasing through the Grand Line to catch up with him, given that he failed to do it as a young man.
