General & Others The admirals are not Sakazuki’s all star equivalent

[Albino 👑]

are we scaling blades or scaling characters and their accomplishments
we have as much context as we need for a character that died possibly centuries ago
he is generally known as the strongest person to come out of wano, that plays into the reputation of what current wano is ,

I think you are making the assumption that they had bums in that timeline and that was enough but I would argue the world government has been around for 800 years with very capable characters and they steer clear of that place . Not saying its to his credit alone but that says something. Do we make the assumption joyboy was up against bums in his timeline?


He doesnt need to show anything to be put over mihawk. Mihawk needs to actually do something that affects more than just what he is as an individual . He is defined by his title, he has had zero impact on anything else in the world at large.

There blades are their main weapons so it’s definitely relevant

What we know about ryuma

1. Forged a black blade. Shusui being made a great blade after
2. Slayed a dragon. That having no context since it could be a real dragon, a devil fruit eater, a celestial dragon, or something else
3. Defended wano post border walls being up. Againt who we don’t know. Not to say the verse was week but even now they only sent fodder to mihawk
4. Physically unimpressive based on thriller bark

We obviously need to learn more about both characters but at the moment I give mihawk the benefit of being stronger. Main reason being yoru tbh
Ryuma’s hype is mainly just within wano too while mihawk’s the world

Plus had anyone defeated kaido they would have been compared to ryuma in heroics. Which oden could have potentially done if he wasn’t fucked over

 

[L57]

Agree eos jinbei zoro gonna be extreme diff fights for goofy

 

[trav]

If oden beat kaido

Because Kaido is a legitimate top tier that has not been beaten in a 1v1.
Kaido also managed to keep the WG away from Wano. If not all by himself.

ryuma hasn’t shown anything to be put above mihawk

If you go by feats alone than Roger has not done anything to be put above Law.
Not to mention that Mihawk himself has not done much of anything past his portrayal.
You disregard this when it suits you.
Imu has not done shit either yet you think he is eng game villain material for no other reason than portrayal.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-swordsman-of-today.56721/page-7#post-5404040

Ryuma is the most hyped character within a closed nation

He had this hype from when Wano was not a closed off nation. He was the one closing it off and shielding it against the world.
Oda decided to put these lines into his manga. Are you suggesting that this was done by accident?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

There blades are their main weapons so it’s definitely relevant

What we know about ryuma

1. Forged a black blade. Shusui being made a great blade after
2. Slayed a dragon. That having no context since it could be a real dragon, a devil fruit eater, a celestial dragon, or something else
3. Defended wano post border walls being up. Againt who we don’t know. Not to say the verse was week but even now they only sent fodder to mihawk
4. Physically unimpressive based on thriller bark

We obviously need to learn more about both characters but at the moment I give mihawk the benefit of being stronger. Main reason being yoru tbh
Ryuma’s hype is mainly just within wano too while mihawk’s the world

Plus had anyone defeated kaido they would have been compared to ryuma in heroics. Which oden could have potentially done if he wasn’t fucked over

agreed with what you said but your 4th point is fugazi
his physicals in TB was just an amped brook
he more or less was physically built like zoro.


rogers main weapon is a blade. its not a black blade, threading on dangerous logic here.

 

[Steven]

I just know they neg diff Doffy and his entire crew

 

[Sir Yasheen]

made a similar point in my this thread
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-strength-to-sanji-than-he-is-to-luffy.34460/

sanji and zoro's opponents are a lot closer in strength with a significant margin to luffy's
unless oda drastically changes the way he has portrayed the admirals ,
its not happening.

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wdym
he factually is a major reason why a country was isolated from the world government.
what has mihawk done with his tile.

Yeah I agree (although this is still more likely than Binos Kid and Law vs admirals and Zoro and Sanji vs Admiral candidates)

But it would be cool for Oda to give Luffy an opponent closer to his power level so Luffy can finally leave an arc undoubtedly stronger than his opponent like Zoro and Sanji get to do rather than having Luffy only win cause their opponent got nerfed or Luffy got help (that shits getting real old)

 

[zzShinichi]

It's simple, Luffy will have an easier time against Akainu whearas the other 2 will almost die beating the Admirals.

 

[Redboy776]

Arlong, Kuro, were strong enough to solo their entire crew and were both defeated by luffy while zoro was fightning hachi and those namless kuro members yet we all know what happened at wisky peak. luffy fightning Yonkos, Admirals who can prety much solo their army is no differents from the arlong , kuro example. It just mean zoro has to hold massively back when fightning simple crew members.

 

[Shiroyru]

Have you guys ever thought about the possibility of Luffy reaching his ceilling in strength so his subbordinates (specially the Wings) get to have more significant growth in strength throughout the arcs, making the gap between them and Luffy, smaller?


I think this is where we are leading to

Imagine believing this after seeing Joyboy’s Haki

 

[Rej]

Have you guys ever thought about the possibility of Luffy reaching his ceilling in strength so his subbordinates (specially the Wings) get to have more significant growth in strength throughout the arcs, making the gap between them and Luffy, smaller?


I think this is where we are leading to

That's literally what I have been pledging for Elbaf since end of Wano/start of Egghead.

It just makes sense to have an arc focussed on the crewmembers, especially after Luffy got so much feat on Egghead.

We will for sure get more Nika lore on Elbaf and many other aspects of lore, but overall I think it makes sense for Oda, to leave Luffy out of most upcomming fights.

I still wish for Luffy to become sick and not capable of fighting, giving more reasons for the crewmembers to step up.

 

[Albino 👑]

agreed with what you said but your 4th point is fugazie
his physicals in TB was just an amped brook
he more or less was physically built like zoro.


rogers main weapon is a blade. its not a black blade, threading on dangerous logic here.

The physical strength has to do with the body of the zombie not the shadow tho

I don’t want to get into the whole roger/shanks shit but I feel it’s pretty clear ryuma and mihawks fighting styles are a reflection of zoro’s. With out of the 2 of them mihawk having the superior blade means more

 

[park_min young]

Akainu will be injured from killing Dragon so Luffy will have an easier time, Zoro/Sanji will fight tooth and nail with their opponent. Zoro and Sanji can be top-tiers by then, it’s not that crazy to think that they’re fighting opponents on a similar level to Luffy’s opponent. Imu will be a lot stronger than the gorosei though, that’s for sure. So the pattern will be back for the final war.

 

[BigAmmi]

It's not always about power scaling, oda uses always the same structure for the villain's faction

Main villain
Strongest commanders
Strongest officials

Fodders

Im
Gorosei
Knight

Agents

Akainu
3 Admirals
Vice Admirals

Marines soldiers

Cp0 is part of the wg, they aren't part of the navy, but are too weak right now, they are old stuff

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Besides it’s not like Sakazuki isn’t a tier above Fuji, Ryo, and Kizaru. The only other admiral Sakazuki has been shown comparable with is a fellow fleet admiral candidate in Kuzan.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Idk I personally disagree. Fujitora and Ryokugyuu are definitely written very similarly to how Mr. 1/Mr. 2, Kaku/Jabra and King/Queen are normally written.

A more stoic blade user vs a more flamboyant, extreme pervert (obviously depends, not everyone is like this). Even Ohm, Ryuuma, and Pica (barring the voice) all fit this description, its just that Sanji didnt get orthodox fights with similar characters in those arcs.

Imo Sakazuki is stronger than we think, and the gaps between characters like Shiryu/Kuzan or even Beckman to another admiral isnt all that different.


It is primarily the reason why I think there is pretty much no more escalation in terms of powerscaling and post-Elbaf is just going to be the massive free-for-all bar none

 

[Dragon777]

Besides it’s not like Sakazuki isn’t a tier above Fuji, Ryo, and Kizaru. The only other admiral Sakazuki has been shown comparable with is a fellow fleet admiral candidate in Kuzan.

Akainu Is stronger but it's not a tier above them.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Akainu Is stronger but it's not a tier above them.

He’s definitely one tier above imo. His feats and portrayal put him up there

 

[Shiroyru]

Akainu will be injured from killing Dragon so Luffy will have an easier time, Zoro/Sanji will fight tooth and nail with their opponent. Zoro and Sanji can be top-tiers by then, it’s not that crazy to think that they’re fighting opponents on a similar level to Luffy’s opponent. Imu will be a lot stronger than the gorosei though, that’s for sure. So the pattern will be back for the final war.

This is why we need to stop using the term top tier

 

[Dragon777]

He’s definitely one tier above imo. His feats and portrayal put him up there

His feats are incredible, but the other Admirals are not less. And the most incredible one is...winning after then days against Aokiji. And if we put Aokiji there as FA material and so near Akainu, and I agree, there Is no limit to that.

Fuji for me Is definitely FA material: not only for his role, but Saijo, likely CoC user, broken fruit, etc.

Aramaki might be confirmed a Black Blade user in a matter of days, and that ALONE would put him between the strongest. But he has a Logia too, not to mention he has fought on par with Fuji and captured "young WB".

And so on.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

His feats are incredible, but the other Admirals are not less. And the most incredible one is...winning after then days against Aokiji. And if we put Aokiji there as FA material and so near Akainu, and I agree, there Is no limit to that.

Fuji for me Is definitely FA material: not only for his role, but Saijo, likely CoC user, broken fruit, etc.

Aramaki might be confirmed a Black Blade user in a matter of days, and that ALONE would put him between the strongest. But he has a Logia too, not to mention he has fought on par with Fuji and captured "young WB".

And so on.

Kuzan and Sakazuki were the only two who were deemed ready to be Fleet Admiral, not Kizaru.

Fuji has the weakest fruit of the admirals; so it makes sense he has a Saijo and likely CoC to make up the difference, but merely checklist based scaling isn’t accurate imo

I think it became clear once Oda gave the admirals 3 billion berry bounties not including Sakazuki who will likely be given a 4 billion berry bounty