General & Others The admirals are not Sakazuki’s all star equivalent

[Dragon777]

But everybody reaps what he sows.

I agree, but not anyone can capture young WB and have a Black Blade on top of a Logia.

 

[Jailer]

True. Imu is the boss. Sakazuki is Imu’s Right hand man equivalent. The admirals are like commander tiers of Imu.

No he isn't lol.

 

[Juanpiz]

True. Imu is the boss. Sakazuki is Imu’s Right hand man equivalent. The admirals are like commander tiers of Imu.

I am not sure he knows imu exists

 

[Just a member]

I don’t think gb is clearly weaker bc doflamingo called them both monsters and there doesn’t seem to be a clear winner between him and fujitora

And that is why a part of me hopes that Shanks will never flex on Akainu for real.

I agree, but not anyone can capture young WB and have a Black Blade on top of a Logia.

The Weevil feat is by far the best card GB has at this point but the black blade one is laughable.

 

[Juanpiz]

And that is why a part of me hopes that Shanks will never flex on Akainu for real.

The Weevil feat is by far the best card GB has at this point but the black blade one is laughable.

And tanking attack from mythical Zoan and strong haki owner Yamato

 

[God Buggy]

They aren't that equivalent, unless you think that current Sakazuki is so outrageously powerful that there is such a gigantic gap between him and the others. Others who...already stand at the top of the OP world in the power hierarchy.

Hey, that works for me too

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Admirals average top tier, Akainu PK level.

Problem solved.

 

[Just a member]

And tanking attack from mythical Zoan and strong haki owner Yamato

But Yamato was not serious, Momo told her to back down and she never went hybrid or serious in any other way. Imo Weevil is still by far the best feat GB has.

 

[Dragon777]

The Weevil feat is by far the best card GB has at this point but the black blade one is laughable.

There Is the fight against Fuji too, after which Fuji was wounded (a Saijo user btw), but yes, young WB is more impressive.

As for the BB:

Spoiler

OP day:

But we'll see in the VCs shortly if this is true or not.

 

[JoNdule]

Admirals average top tier, Akainu PK level.

Problem solved.

Lol

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Nothing suggests Akainu is way more powerful than the other admirals. Sure, he is stringer than then but by just a small margin: a tiny tiny bit stronger than Aokiji (beat him after a 10 days fight), most likely stronger than Kizaru by a small margin too, probably stronger than Fuji but again just by a bit.. and I hope Greenbull somewhat is clearly weaker than the others admirals otherwise one day we will have a massive meltdown somewhere, bugger than what it needs to be really. But everybody reaps what he sows.

Then about Akainu being an arc main villain at this point it is already too late. Kizaru, who basically is his equal, was a secondary antagonist in this arc compared to the 5 gorosei, even if it is true that he decided to stay down of his own volition at a certain point. But in the end Luffy was taking him and Saturn together when he was pissed so the admiral level is already behind Luffy. And it couldn't be otherwise since he dealt with Kaido the last arc.

I don't know about Sanji but Zoro, even if he actually struggled vs Lucci when Luffy didn't, is already ready to face an admiral at this point. Last arc he dealt with King and had his rooftop fight, that could already be compared to a fight with an admiral. This arc he fought Lucci (and didn't use any fancy move on screen) and then went on fighting while Lucci was spent. Anyway the next tier after the YC1 Zoro defeated in Wano is of course an admiral, or Oda could make him jump directly to yonko level like he jumped from veteran lvl Pica to YC1 King.. Admiral space is shrinking, they could keep up if they actually improved with time but that is something Oda gives only to the SHs (and BB). Some other guys like Lucci, Croco and other for sure get power uos with time but you can bet they will never again be comparable to Luffy since he already beat them (just see Luffy and Lucci).

Stop comparing Zoro with Luffy

Zoro is yet to reach top tier status
His next opponent is Shiryu (who will be below Admirals/Gorosei) and zoro will need PU to beat Shiryu

Zoro will be admiral level if he beats Shiryu with PU or when he fights Gorosei/Admirals 1v1

 

[Just a member]

There Is the fight against Fuji too, after which Fuji was wounded (a Saijo user btw), but yes, young WB is more impressive.

As for the BB:

Spoiler

OP day:

But we'll see in the VCs shortly if this is true or not.

I remember that thread about the official color being black yet until it is clearly stated for me it is unacceptable, even if it is stated by Oda I would still find difficult to accept it lol.

The only black blade users in the verse are Mihawk and Ryuma, as far as we know the 2 best swordsmen in history and legendary characters, the biggest stain is on Mihawk becoming Buggy underling but that dynamic is probably still barely acceptable, and then Greenbull who is memed in his very introduction in order to advertise film Red. Also the sword is like an ornament, he never said anything about it let alone use it. The only acceptable outcome if that is really a black blade would be that he stole it and keeps it around because it feels cool.

 

[Dragon777]

I remember that thread about the official color being black yet until it is clearly stated for me it is unacceptable, even if it is stated by Oda I would still find difficult to accept it lol.

The only black blade users in the verse are Mihawk and Ryuma, as far as we know the 2 best swordsmen in history and legendary characters, the biggest stain is on Mihawk becoming Buggy underling but that dynamic is probably still barely acceptable, and then Greenbull who is memed in his very introduction in order to advertise film Red. Also the sword is like an ornament, he never said anything about it let alone use it. The only acceptable outcome if that is really a black blade would be that he stole it and keeps it around because it feels cool.

It depends on which background he has. Imho, he Is swordsman.

Gennai Aramaki, the character from which Aramaki "takes" name and actor, was an increbile swordsman that at the beginning of the film no one had seen using the sword:


(https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/thre...ad-story.55726/)

1-Set in the end of 19th century, where the Meiji Restoration just started, the hero, Aramaki Gennai (Karasawa Toshiaki) does not act so much like a "hero". He's a drunkard ronin (masterless samurai) who loves to lazy around in the house all day, and depend on his girlfriend for money. He doesn't care at all about anything or what happen in the world. Rumours has it that he has an unbelievably excellent skill of swordplay, but no one has ever seen him demonstrating it.

 

[Just a member]

It depends on which background he has. Imho, he Is swordsman.

Gennai Aramaki, the character from which Aramaki "takes" name and actor, was an increbile swordsman that at the beginning of the film no one had seen using the sword:


(https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/thre...ad-story.55726/)

It could go that way but what has more chances to happen? What is another big issue is that GB got "destroyed" by Shanks in his very introduction and Shanks is a swordsman, he could be stronger than Mihawk (and imo he probably is) but his sword skills are worse than Mihawk and that is why he doesn't have a black blade (and Gryphon is even a strong blade to begin with).

If GB really has a black blade and he is also the one who made it and then Shanks did to him what he did then that would destroy any possible hype making a black blade and/or being able to use it could have.

Actually having GB with a "dark colored" blade seems to me a weird choice with what we have seen until this point. The only explanation I have for now is that this is the usual grey zone Oda loves to throw in his manga at any chance, I mean making things dubious so that the OP fans can butcher themselves in never ending debates about who is stronger than who.

 

[Dragon777]

It could go that way but what has more chances to happen? What is another big issue is that GB got "destroyed" by Shanks in his very introduction and Shanks is a swordsman, he could be stronger than Mihawk (and imo he probably is) but his sword skills are worse than Mihawk and that is why he doesn't have a black blade (and Gryphon is even a strong blade to begin with).

If GB really has a black blade and he is also the one who made it and then Shanks did to him what he did then that would destroy any possible hype making a black blade and/or being able to use it could have.

Actually having GB with a "dark colored" blade seems to me a weird choice with what we have seen until this point. The only explanation I have for now is that this is the usual grey zone Oda loves to throw in his manga at any chance, I mean making things dubious so that the OP fans can butcher themselves in never ending debates about who is stronger than who.

Imho, the scene of Shanks-GB was way overhyped. Imu reacted in the same way at Joy Boy haki, but Imu Isn't a lot weaket than Joy Boy for sure (and Shansk's haki was even hyped by the giants) and now one even tried to say It. However, with GB someone did try.

Also, opposite of Imu, GB Is over the top with his reactions, we saw this against Momo too (https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...mples-of-greenbull-acting-like-a-clown.59070/), and anyway explicilty retreated in front of Shanks' whole crew.
He said It himself and even said that It wasn't the time to fight them, not even that he won't fight them period:

Kaido himself had King with him (and didn't have to deal with the mugi, Kidd and Law too) and still retreated in front of the RHP. And Shanks didn't even have a wrinkle on his short at MF, Kaido didn't even fazed him lol.

He Is just Oda's golden boy, even compared to Joy Boy as we saw. That + film Red promotion + Ryo being histrionic + him taking about the RHP as whole + the already impossibile situation + Kaido's past example are enough to explain what happened.

 

[kurwa]

The only black blade users in the verse are Mihawk and Ryuma, as far as we know the 2 best swordsmen in history and legendary characters,

"legendary" lmfao

Mihawk's best feat is matching Vista and trying to get past him to get to Luffy (failed)
Ryuma's best feat is slaying a flying sea beast and keeping fodder invaders from Wano (mostly thanks to the walls of Wano just like King did to Meme)

and then Greenbull who is memed in his very introduction in order to advertise film Red

Greenbull in his intorduction's first 3 panels accomplished more than Mihawk and Ryuma did whole manga

"muh Shanks"
Shanks used his strongest haki just to cheap shot GB and threaten to jump, because he was scared that he would wipe the floor with alliance that beat 2 yonko and a crew.

Also the sword is like an ornament, he never said anything about it let alone use it.

Read what your bum idol says.
Funny thing that Mihawk is now using his sword on fodder all the time, even when bullying Buggy.

 

[Just a member]

Imho, the scene of Shanks-GB was way overhyped. Imu reacted in the same way at Joy Boy haki, but Imu Isn't a lot weaket than Joy Boy for sure (and Shansk's haki was even hyped by the giants) and now one even tried to say It. However, with GB someone did try.

Also, opposite of Imu, GB Is over the top with his reactions, we saw this against Momo too (https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...mples-of-greenbull-acting-like-a-clown.59070/), and anyway explicilty retreated in front of Shanks' whole crew.
He said It himself and even said that It wasn't the time to fight them, not even that he won't fight them period:

Kaido himself had King with him (and didn't have to deal with the mugi, Kidd and Law too) and still retreated in front of the RHP. And Shanks didn't even have a wrinkle on his short at MF, Kaido didn't even fazed him lol.

He Is just Oda's golden boy, even compared to Joy Boy as we saw. That + film Red promotion + Ryo being histrionic + him taking about the RHP as whole + the already impossibile situation + Kaido's past example are enough to explain what happened.

Wrong or bad I think you can agree that from that point onwards the image of Greenbull as a top tier was destroyed, and imo Oda perfectly knew what was gonna happen, for various reasons he sacrificed GB to feed Shanks hype, so him having a black blade is extremely suspicious. On the other hand, to make an example, he gave a black blade to Fuji in Dressrosa then that would have been way more acceptable, the more he appeared and used it the more legit it would have been, afterall he is a confirmed swordsman and that hypothetic black blade alone would have made him appear in Shanks vs Mihawk debates. But giving it to GB, to this GB, is fishy as hell. Also the comparison because probably Aramaki and Fujitora are probably really really close powerwise as the post time skip admiral duo.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Whether akainu ends up as a main boss arc villain for luffy to face or simply one of the opponent who fights luffy but not the main big boss , zoro or sanji will never fight characters on level same as luffy's opponent or even comparable.

The pattern has always been luffy's main opponent >> zoro/sanji's opponents and that will never change.

 

[Just a member]

"legendary" lmfao

Mihawk's best feat is matching Vista and trying to get past him to get to Luffy (failed)
Ryuma's best feat is slaying a flying sea beast and keeping fodder invaders from Wano (mostly thanks to the walls of Wano just like King did to Meme)

Oda himself defined Mihawk as a legendary character along with WB and Shanks in a sbs (a sbs if I remember correctly).

Greenbull in his intorduction's first 3 panels accomplished more than Mihawk and Ryuma did whole manga

"muh Shanks"
Shanks used his strongest haki just to cheap shot GB and threaten to jump, because he was scared that he would wipe the floor with alliance that beat 2 yonko and a crew.

If you think so then I guess it is better to leave things as they are.

Read what your bum idol says.
Funny thing that Mihawk is now using his sword on fodder all the time, even when bullying Buggy.

And indeed Mihawk uses a blade in every fight, even to bully Buggy, same for Zoro. If somebody has a black blade then he should be world level sword master yet it was like that sword didn't exist.

 

[AL sama]

chill out

 

[Dragon777]

Wrong or bad I think you can agree that from that point onwards the image of Greenbull as a top tier was destroyed, and imo Oda perfectly knew what was gonna happen, for various reasons he sacrificed GB to feed Shanks hype, so him having a black blade is extremely suspicious. On the other hand, to make an example, he gave a black blade to Fuji in Dressrosa then that would have been way more acceptable, the more he appeared and used it the more legit it would have been, afterall he is a confirmed swordsman and that hypothetic black blade alone would have made him appear in Shanks vs Mihawk debates. But giving it to GB, to this GB, is fishy as hell. Also the comparison because probably Aramaki and Fujitora are probably really really close powerwise as the post time skip admiral duo.

His image Indeed took a blow, but imho way stronger that any other character would have bacause Admirals have always something to demonstrate to people.
Imu was shown kneeling, shaking and screaming for Joy Boy's haki; BB, the pirate final villain and the one who will kill Shanks, looks like a clown 99% of the time and did last time against old ray, still no one doubt he Is business.
An Admiral does that with all the things I said before (talk about the whole RHP, what Kaido did in the past, etc.) and suddenly he Is a paria among top tiers. Imho, he isn't, just like Imu Isn't or BB Isn't.

About Fujitora, my long lasting theory Is that him Is focused on CoO, so no Black Blade but still a Saijo, and Ryokugyu on CoA, so Black Blade but possibly no Saijo, maybe O Wazamono.