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Yeah, I have tried more than once to discuss with others about that SBS but they simply refuse lo listen.
They also treat Ryo as some Yamato-like character with Akainu instead of Oden even though we have seen Ryo twice and both times he was going against on order of Akainu.
But since It's him, if he said that he likes Akainu then he Is a servile fan boy etc., even if he has already demonstrated that like the other admirals he basically do as he wants.
They also treat Ryo as some Yamato-like character with Akainu instead of Oden even though we have seen Ryo twice and both times he was going against on order of Akainu.
But since It's him, if he said that he likes Akainu then he Is a servile fan boy etc., even if he has already demonstrated that like the other admirals he basically do as he wants.
Aramaki in his first appearance went against the orders of Akainu and then went behind his back in the second lol.
I imagine that if he was in the same position as Kizaru right now he would have much worse things to say to Akainu
I wouldn't be surprised if he intentionally brought Wano's vegetation back
I imagine that if he was in the same position as Kizaru right now he would have much worse things to say to Akainu
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I wouldn't be surprised if he intentionally brought Wano's vegetation back
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The question for “why can’t Ryokugyu have a black blade” that I have is really more “why would he have one and not Fujitora?”
Of the two, Fujitora has clearly been portrayed as the swordsman. Every time he fights he uses his (as we now know Supreme Grade) sword.
Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?
You can come up with tragic stories of Ryokgyu being a swordsman who hides his true power due to the suicide of his lover etc etc, but really, when it comes purely down to the two‘s fighting style as shown by Oda so far, Ryokugyu being the better swordsman than Fujitora makes zero sense.
He’s also pretty explicitly an Akainu fanboy who loves his approach to things.
You could never imagine Kizaru saying what Ryokugyu there did. Him and Akainu are partners, Ryokugyu comes across as far more subservient.
Of the two, Fujitora has clearly been portrayed as the swordsman. Every time he fights he uses his (as we now know Supreme Grade) sword.
Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?
You can come up with tragic stories of Ryokgyu being a swordsman who hides his true power due to the suicide of his lover etc etc, but really, when it comes purely down to the two‘s fighting style as shown by Oda so far, Ryokugyu being the better swordsman than Fujitora makes zero sense.
He’s also pretty explicitly an Akainu fanboy who loves his approach to things.
You could never imagine Kizaru saying what Ryokugyu there did. Him and Akainu are partners, Ryokugyu comes across as far more subservient.
The question for “why can’t Ryokugyu have a black blade” that I have is really more “why would he have one and not Fujitora?”
Of the two, Fujitora has clearly been portrayed as the swordsman. Every time he fights he uses his (as we now know Supreme Grade) sword.
Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?
You can come up with tragic stories of Ryokgyu being a swordsman who hides his true power due to the suicide of his lover etc etc, but really, when it comes purely down to the two‘s fighting style as shown by Oda so far, Ryokugyu being the better swordsman than Fujitora makes zero sense.
He’s also pretty explicitly an Akainu fanboy who loves his approach to things.
You could never imagine Kizaru saying what Ryokugyu there did. Him and Akainu are partners, Ryokugyu comes across as far more subservient.
Of the two, Fujitora has clearly been portrayed as the swordsman. Every time he fights he uses his (as we now know Supreme Grade) sword.
Hiw would Ryokugyu have made his when Fujitora failed, despite the fact that Fujitora uses his sword in every battle and Ryokugyu doesn’t?
You can come up with tragic stories of Ryokgyu being a swordsman who hides his true power due to the suicide of his lover etc etc, but really, when it comes purely down to the two‘s fighting style as shown by Oda so far, Ryokugyu being the better swordsman than Fujitora makes zero sense.
He’s also pretty explicitly an Akainu fanboy who loves his approach to things.
You could never imagine Kizaru saying what Ryokugyu there did. Him and Akainu are partners, Ryokugyu comes across as far more subservient.
you have no idea what it takes to make a black blade so till you do
it will not make any sense to you .
also your last point on greenbull being subservient to akainu
whats the issue with that ?
black blade users cant be subservient to anyone?
The most apt comparison is to Fujitora, because they were both designed at the same time, to fulfils the same position, and have been grouped together as a duo in the manga. Of the two, Fujitora is the one who actually has a sword dependant fighting style. Aramaki’s isn’t, from what we’ve seen if his fighting style it can’t even work with a sword (too small for the tree monster form).
But for everyone of the characters you mentioned, it would make far more sense for any of them to have a black blade over Ryokugyu because of their fighting styles.
We know that it is forged through countless battles, meaning you would expect the person to forge a black blade… to actually use their swords all the time.
We also know the three who have, or will have one (Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma) all, again, actually use their swords all the time.
I can see Fujitora fitting in with Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma, purely when it comes to how often he uses the sword and how he is drawn fighting.
I cannot see Ryokugyu in the same group.
The last point has nothing to do with the black blade discussion, it’s questioning the idea that Ryokugyu would have even worse to say to Akainu, should he be in the same position as Kizaru.
But for everyone of the characters you mentioned, it would make far more sense for any of them to have a black blade over Ryokugyu because of their fighting styles.
We know that it is forged through countless battles, meaning you would expect the person to forge a black blade… to actually use their swords all the time.
We also know the three who have, or will have one (Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma) all, again, actually use their swords all the time.
I can see Fujitora fitting in with Zoro, Mihawk and Ryuma, purely when it comes to how often he uses the sword and how he is drawn fighting.
I cannot see Ryokugyu in the same group.
The last point has nothing to do with the black blade discussion, it’s questioning the idea that Ryokugyu would have even worse to say to Akainu, should he be in the same position as Kizaru.
Then I'll try to answer seriously, even if there Is nothing really new to say for my part.
1) First of all, BB or not BB, Ryo Is clearly a swordsman: the dude has the same name of a swordsman, looks like him, act like him and has a bloody sword dangling from his hip. I mean, connect the dots lol, BB or no BB.
If anything, Kuzan being a brawler and having a strenght comparable to prime Garp was astronomically more unlikely.
Now that we have addressed that fact that he Is, we can go and see that in the original film, Ronin Gai, where Issho/Fujitora/Zatoichi, Kizaru and Gennai Aramaki were, Aramaki was an incredibile swordsman that no one had seen using the sword:
Is that strange thinking that Oda could be going for the same trope, more so because we know that he Is very likely to be a swordsman anyway?
Especially after Aokiji showed to a brawler only at chapter 1088, 700 chapters after his introduction and we hadn't seen him using punches basically ever before that moment? It's that difficult to imagine Oda is keeping It for a big revelation?
2) about Fujitora.
Fujitora Is a swordsman, sure, but being blind means pretty clearly that his focus Is CoO, not CoA. Forging a black Blade probably takes more than just CoA, but still, imho, It's likely to be a peak CoA feat at the very least.
Now, if Fuji could forge a BB too, you would have an Admiral with a Saijo forged black by him, a peak DF, AdvCoC (as every Saijo user has) and even a peak CoA: you would be talking about someone on the level of Roger, WB or Garp. He would have been the WSC/WSM, not Kaido or any other.
And as much as I love Fujitora, that was not possibile.
It's far more likely that Fuji Is focused in CoO and Aramaki in CoA. Two swordsmen with different focuses.
And this too, imho, Is another example of how things get exaggerated when Ryo Is the topic.
He Just said he likes Akainu way of doing, that's It. Still, two times we have seen him and two times he was going against his orders.
You have seen Zoro going against Luffy's orders lately? Benn? Ray?
They have all expressed far more "love" for their captain (well, maybe Benn not for now) and are way more loyal. Are they fanboys? Are they far more subservient?
Ryo simply likes Akainu's way, and that's It.
1) First of all, BB or not BB, Ryo Is clearly a swordsman: the dude has the same name of a swordsman, looks like him, act like him and has a bloody sword dangling from his hip. I mean, connect the dots lol, BB or no BB.
If anything, Kuzan being a brawler and having a strenght comparable to prime Garp was astronomically more unlikely.
Now that we have addressed that fact that he Is, we can go and see that in the original film, Ronin Gai, where Issho/Fujitora/Zatoichi, Kizaru and Gennai Aramaki were, Aramaki was an incredibile swordsman that no one had seen using the sword:
Is that strange thinking that Oda could be going for the same trope, more so because we know that he Is very likely to be a swordsman anyway?
Especially after Aokiji showed to a brawler only at chapter 1088, 700 chapters after his introduction and we hadn't seen him using punches basically ever before that moment? It's that difficult to imagine Oda is keeping It for a big revelation?
2) about Fujitora.
Fujitora Is a swordsman, sure, but being blind means pretty clearly that his focus Is CoO, not CoA. Forging a black Blade probably takes more than just CoA, but still, imho, It's likely to be a peak CoA feat at the very least.
Now, if Fuji could forge a BB too, you would have an Admiral with a Saijo forged black by him, a peak DF, AdvCoC (as every Saijo user has) and even a peak CoA: you would be talking about someone on the level of Roger, WB or Garp. He would have been the WSC/WSM, not Kaido or any other.
And as much as I love Fujitora, that was not possibile.
It's far more likely that Fuji Is focused in CoO and Aramaki in CoA. Two swordsmen with different focuses.
And this too, imho, Is another example of how things get exaggerated when Ryo Is the topic.
He Just said he likes Akainu way of doing, that's It. Still, two times we have seen him and two times he was going against his orders.
You have seen Zoro going against Luffy's orders lately? Benn? Ray?
They have all expressed far more "love" for their captain (well, maybe Benn not for now) and are way more loyal. Are they fanboys? Are they far more subservient?
Ryo simply likes Akainu's way, and that's It.
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how many battles will zoro have with enma before it becomes a black blade , whats actually stated is shusui became a black blade during ryuuma's many battles
its not stated as a defacto requirement, that doesnt tell you why it became a black blade. sounds like another assumption.
youve watched the character in a skirmish with commander level characters and youve built some fighter profile without seeing him use his weapon . How did aokiji fight in marineford , right , very different from the way he was actually trained, punching marine ships with garp to the point they were a physical match .
its not stated as a defacto requirement, that doesnt tell you why it became a black blade. sounds like another assumption.
youve watched the character in a skirmish with commander level characters and youve built some fighter profile without seeing him use his weapon . How did aokiji fight in marineford , right , very different from the way he was actually trained, punching marine ships with garp to the point they were a physical match .
how many battles will zoro have with enma before it becomes a black blade , whats actually stated is shusui became a black blade during ryuuma's many battles
its not stated as a defacto requirement, that doesnt tell you why it became a black blade. sounds like another assumption.
youve watched the character in a skirmish with commander level characters and youve built some fighter profile without seeing him use his weapon . How did aokiji fight in marineford , right , very different from the way he was actually trained, punching marine ships with garp to the point they were a physical match .
its not stated as a defacto requirement, that doesnt tell you why it became a black blade. sounds like another assumption.
youve watched the character in a skirmish with commander level characters and youve built some fighter profile without seeing him use his weapon . How did aokiji fight in marineford , right , very different from the way he was actually trained, punching marine ships with garp to the point they were a physical match .
What hints we have about Aramaki being a swordsman:
- name ad aspect of a swordsman;
- has a sword.
And this stands even if the blade Is revealed to be white; same thing.
