Future Events Warcury Is Akainu’s EOS Opponent

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#61
I think Lolda has built Luffy's peers too much to not have them face the Gorosei atp.
Honestly what reason do the straw hats even have to fight the Gorosei?

Sanji vs Ju Peter: They are both blond?????? Lol

Zolo vs Pissjulo I could see but the other Straw Hats have just nothing. No thematic or narrative reason they should be Gorosei opponents. And even Zolo vs Pissjulo is questionable at this point. They already clashed in Egghead and I don’t think that clash got anybody more excited for Zolo vs Pissjulo lol.

The Admirals facing the Gorosei has much more weight imo.
 
#62


When Sakazuki hears Vegapunk state that the world will sink into the sea, this is his reaction:


The cross-hash pattern over Akainu’s eyes is a common mangaka technique for showing extreme concern or disapproval.

Akainu doesn’t want to kill the population of the entire world. What Akainu wants is to “eliminate all evil”, per his own words. This is an important distinction because it shows us that Akainu views himself as good.

Even when Akainu committed his biggest atrocity, he did it in the name of protecting what he considers to be “good”


And what Akainu considers “good” is the Navy and his own Justice, but not necessarily the World Government.

Akainu believes the World Government is his ally, and that his ideals and the World Government’s ideals align, but this will very quickly change when Akainu discovers that the World Government intends to kill the population of the entire world in the “Great Cleansing”.

The difference between Akainu’s ideals:


Is that Akainu is willing to sacrifice a small innocence to save the greater good. He is willing to kill a shipload of civilians if he believes that this is what will protect the millions of innocents around the world.

Akainu is not willing to kill all of the innocent people around the world. Those people are specifically what Akainu wants to protect.

Now I already did a thread looking more deeply on what I believe to be Akainu’s philosophy on Justice so if you want more info on that, check it out. But for now let’s move on.

I believe (as do many people) that the Marines will defect from the World Government and fight against them when they discover that they plan to kill the entire world’s population. I believe that Akainu is a subverted final villain trope, like Zuko or Darth Vader. You think they are irredeemable monstrous villains at first, but by the ends of their respective series they are actually explicit allies. That is Akainu for me. And this idea is actual based on Oda’s favorite movie of which Akainu is the star.

“Battles Without Honor or Humanity”, a movie that Oda has referenced as his “Bible Movie”:


Stars Bunta Sugawara (Akainu), who starts the film as a brutal Yakuza Muscle man, the kind of guy who beats helpless people who act against the Yakuza. We actually see him do this on screen at the film’s opening.

Seems similar to One Piece Akainu, right?

By the end of the film, Akainu* becomes disillusioned with the Yakuza and leaves them. He even shoots up the funeral for the head Yakuza dude or whatever.

So in other words, Oda based Akainu’s character design on a character who’s entire arc is literally about him becoming disillusioned and ultimately abandoning a life he was once extremely in favor of.

Okay, so Akainu just might leave the Marines and fight against the WG in the end, maybe, but why does that mean Akainu must fight Warcury?


Now we must ask ourselves, what is the purpose of Oda making Warcury the “God of Justice”? When Akainu’s entire character is all about him pursuing his own Justice?

Well, if we think Oda intends to have Akainu rebel from the World Government, and to ultimately “redeem” his character in the end, then the best way for a Shonen Mangaka to give Akainu a redemption arc, is to have him fight and defeat a character who embodies the life that Akainu once aspired toward.

This is a very common tactic in manga.

For those of you who have read MHA, Endeavor is an extremely similar character to Akainu. Endeavor is a hero who is secretly an abusive monster and does terrible things to his family. By the end of the series, Horikoshi has given Endeavor the best redemption arc in Shonen history, and Endeavor’s EOS battle is against All For One himself, the central villain of the manga. Endeavor fights and defeats All For One but loses his arm and perhaps even ultimately his life in the process (I haven’t finished MHA yet).

So from a narrative perspective, why does Endeavor fight All For One? The answer is because All For One is a dark representation of everything Endeavor once was: an evil man craving more and more power no matter the cost. Endeavor fighting and defeating All For One showed his transition from someone who was once very similar to All For One, into someone who is now fighting to overcome that version of himself.

So how does Warcury represent a version of Akainu that Akainu must surpass?

Well, in three big ways:

1. The Great Cleansing


Warcury’s current aim is to kill literally everyone. I’ve already explained why Akainu will not agree with this, and how this functions as a dark representation of what Akainu almost became.

2. Warcury’s association with Justice:


Akainu is the most Justice-Devoted Marine in the series. It cannot be an accident that Oda associated Warcury with Akainu in this manner.

3. Liberating Akainu from his “Government Dog” Arc:


Akainu fighting against the organization he was previously heavily subservient to is once again an aspect of Akainu’s character arc and ultimate redemption.

Now what’s interesting is Akainu and Warcury have already had beef on panel:


Akainu: “Put an end to this!”

Warcury: “Your honor is a trifling matter!”



Akainu: “The CD puppet went right over your heads!”

Warcury: “Shut your insolent mouth, Sakazuki!”



Here Warcury specifically comments about the pride of the Navy and how he blames Akainu for tarnishing it. Subtle foreshadowing for Warcury’s future association with the concept of Justice and his future battle against Akainu?



So imagine this:

Warcury, the founder of the Navy, the “God of Justice”, who believes Akainu is responsible for the fall of the Navy and their ultimate defection, a fraudulent “disgrace to Justice”, who believes that killing the entire world is what will continue the Government’s Justice

Vs Akainu, who has devoted his entire life to what he considers to be “real justice”, and now sees through the Government lies and will fight against them killing literally everyone, surpassing the old version of himself who was willing to do something like killing innocents for the greater good.

Akainu spent his life a black-hearted monster who would kill innocent civilians and his own marines in the name of justice.

Akainu in the end will die a hero who sees the error of his ways and fights to stop the Government from committing the greatest possible evil.

Akainu will die the greatest of all heroes, valiantly defeating Warcury but losing his life in the process


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Okay this is actually a pretty interesting writeup. Personally, I don't think Akainu is ever going to abandon his ideals of absolute justice. I do see him potentially turning on the Elders like you described, but I don't think he's ever going to budge on his ideals, rather he would simply decide that the current system is not in alignment with what he believes in.

While I think Akainu's ideals are honestly terrible, I do think he truly is committed to them. One Piece isn't really a story about "right vs wrong" but rather different people fighting for what they believe in. It doesn't really matter if Akainu's beliefs are right or wrong; what matters is that he believes in them.
 
#63
The gorosei are losing to Nikas five top men for the new gen in Zoro, Sanji, Sabo, Law, and Jika :goyea:

Sakazuki doesn't belong in that group at all. Besides how does angry magma man with no acoc hurt a magma boar with acoc?
Wakainu, Wmoker, Woby, Wrus, Wibari, Wujaku, Washigi and Welmeppo training arc LEEEEEETTSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, =],
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WTF
Papazuki neg the Lorosei :pepeanger:
Wakainu GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
 
#64
Bumkainu is a dragon victim, Oda won't even bother with matching him with the elders unless that happens out the castle, as Imu will be there and from what he showed so far, it's no less than neg diff.
 
#65
@TheKnightOfTheSea now that Saturn is dead, Akainu vs Warcury and the remaining Admirals fighting the OG Gorosei is looking more clear to me.

Ryokugyu vs Ju Peter
-God of Agriculture vs Agriculture man (Forest man)
-Giant worm vs forest (Worms thematically terrorize gardens)
-Beauty(?) (Ju Peter) vs Rugged chadness (Ryokugyu)

Fujitora vs Nasujuro actually is looking more and more likely the more I think about it. They actually have a lot of foils with each other.
-Fujitora is blind, Nasujuro is the only Gorosei who wears glasses. A man who blinded himself vs a man who enhanced his own vision (glasses). A man who blinds himself to avoid seeing corruption vs a corrupt pos who enhances his vision
-Nasujuro and Fujitora are both heavily Japanese characters. Nasujuro is like a fantasy Japanese royal samurai, metaphorically riding a horse into combat, while Fujitora is like a Japanese commoner who you don’t even initially expect to wield a sword at all. So it’s like…Japanese nobility vs Japanese commoner at a thematic level.
-Both Nasujuro and Fujitora are meant to be quick sword based fighters. Issho/Zatoichi both fight with a reverse-gripped quick sword style, and Nasujuro also had his speed heavily emphasized.
-EDIT: Fujitora also eats a lot while Nasujuro (in his Devil fruit form) is literally nothing but a skeleton. So thematically it’s almost like he’s malnourished.

Kizaru vs Mars is the one I am the least confident about but I actually see foils between Ju Peter/Ryokugyu and Nasujuro/Fujitora. And obviously Garling is a Saint Shanks fight at this point.

What do you guys think?
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I’ve been entertaining this possibility in my head, Oda clearly has been building a schism between the WG and the marine for a while, with the WG being the true evil while marine are "misguided"
The issue comes from the straw hats. With this option they’ll fight neither the admirals nor the elders
Although there are still adult seraphims (that are clearly going to be top tiers) and holy knights
 
#66
@TheKnightOfTheSea now that Saturn is dead, Akainu vs Warcury and the remaining Admirals fighting the OG Gorosei is looking more clear to me.

Ryokugyu vs Ju Peter
-God of Agriculture vs Agriculture man (Forest man)
-Giant worm vs forest (Worms thematically terrorize gardens)
-Beauty(?) (Ju Peter) vs Rugged chadness (Ryokugyu)

Fujitora vs Nasujuro actually is looking more and more likely the more I think about it. They actually have a lot of foils with each other.
-Fujitora is blind, Nasujuro is the only Gorosei who wears glasses. A man who blinded himself vs a man who enhanced his own vision (glasses). A man who blinds himself to avoid seeing corruption vs a corrupt pos who enhances his vision
-Nasujuro and Fujitora are both heavily Japanese characters. Nasujuro is like a fantasy Japanese royal samurai, metaphorically riding a horse into combat, while Fujitora is like a Japanese commoner who you don’t even initially expect to wield a sword at all. So it’s like…Japanese nobility vs Japanese commoner at a thematic level.
-Both Nasujuro and Fujitora are meant to be quick sword based fighters. Issho/Zatoichi both fight with a reverse-gripped quick sword style, and Nasujuro also had his speed heavily emphasized.
-EDIT: Fujitora also eats a lot while Nasujuro (in his Devil fruit form) is literally nothing but a skeleton. So thematically it’s almost like he’s malnourished.

Kizaru vs Mars is the one I am the least confident about but I actually see foils between Ju Peter/Ryokugyu and Nasujuro/Fujitora. And obviously Garling is a Saint Shanks fight at this point.

What do you guys think?
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Great theory, I'd love if the Admirals fought the Gorosei. God of Agriculture vs Ryo is very fitting
 

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#68
They both are the largest of their respective groups(in both base and transformation). Garling might be bigger but I don't think so.

Also Aramaki is the youngest admiral and Peter is the youngest Gorosei by appearance.

Peter seems to be the most questioning Gorosei while Aramaki is the most extreme admiral in a lot of ways.

Fujitora vs Nasujuro actually is looking more and more likely the more I think about it. They actually have a lot of foils with each other.
You forgot that Issho was introduced gambling and Nusjuro is the god of finance.

Nusjuro is also the smallest Gorosei in base form and Issho is the shortest admiral. Not real evidence but I find it interesting.

I agree Kizaru vs Mars is iffy. I've seen people suggest Aokiji vs Mars(God of Environment vs IceAge). Maybe Kizaru vs Nusjuro and Issho vs Garling if he doesn't fight a rev or Shanks?
 
#69
This is actually a really well written thread, not sure how I missed this the first time around. Maybe cause most threads on worstgen are just awful power scaling agenda based weirdo shit

I can see this happening
 

Apollo

The Sol King
#70
Kizaru vs Mars is the one I am the least confident about but I actually see foils between Ju Peter/Ryokugyu and Nasujuro/Fujitora. And obviously Garling is a Saint Shanks fight at this point.
Both seem to be the most mobile of each other's respective groups, and Mars has shown laser-like attacks. Its also interesting since Mars was the one who broke through the Egghead barrier when they first arrived which was the reason Kizaru was called to Egghead in the first place.

 
#71
Honestly what reason do the straw hats even have to fight the Gorosei?

Sanji vs Ju Peter: They are both blond?????? Lol

Zolo vs Pissjulo I could see but the other Straw Hats have just nothing. No thematic or narrative reason they should be Gorosei opponents. And even Zolo vs Pissjulo is questionable at this point. They already clashed in Egghead and I don’t think that clash got anybody more excited for Zolo vs Pissjulo lol.

The Admirals facing the Gorosei has much more weight imo.
Dude, I said Luffy's peers, not Luffy's crew. Think Law, Kidd, Momoron, Koby etc. :smoothy:

I completely agree Luffy's crew vs Gorosei is not happening. Or at least, the chance of it happening is maybe 1%, smaller than even the 5% chance of Luffy's crew vs Admirals happening.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#72
They both are the largest of their respective groups(in both base and transformation). Garling might be bigger but I don't think so.

Also Aramaki is the youngest admiral and Peter is the youngest Gorosei by appearance.

Peter seems to be the most questioning Gorosei while Aramaki is the most extreme admiral in a lot of ways.



You forgot that Issho was introduced gambling and Nusjuro is the god of finance.

Nusjuro is also the smallest Gorosei in base form and Issho is the shortest admiral. Not real evidence but I find it interesting.

I agree Kizaru vs Mars is iffy. I've seen people suggest Aokiji vs Mars(God of Environment vs IceAge). Maybe Kizaru vs Nusjuro and Issho vs Garling if he doesn't fight a rev or Shanks?
It keeps on coming!

This may deserve its own thread.
 
#73
Both seem to be the most mobile of each other's respective groups, and Mars has shown laser-like attacks. Its also interesting since Mars was the one who broke through the Egghead barrier when they first arrived which was the reason Kizaru was called to Egghead in the first place.

This was a nice feat, lightning encircles this beam. Is it like Enel's El Thor?
 
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